NFT: Knicks discussion

Dallas now is the 11th pick in the draft and not currently in the play in tournament. Can they hold onto that 11th pick for us?
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Brunson needs to be healthy for this team to do anything. He understands how to control the game, he knows when he needs to go score and he knows when he needs to get others involved. Without him it is an Rj and Randle chuckfest, basically them taking turns isoing. At least with Randle he will make the pass out to the open 3 point shooter but you can tell when playmaking is added he struggles.

As for Rj he is not my favorite play, never has been and never will be. His game is predicated on finishing at the rim over and over again and teams arent stupid. Once you finish the first few times they have aguy hedge or the big stays home and Rj the selfish player he is will still try to finisb rather than simply pulling it out or kicking the ball out.

Even when he is bringing the ball up, 3 guys in front of him, ehh who cares lets try and score over them. He cant shoot the 3, he has no midrange and he is one of the most selfish players in the NBA. I have never seen a guy kill momentum for his own team so many times in 1 season.

Orlando game is perfect example, Quickley jist finished the 3rd strong and the game was tied, Magic were reeling with their bench in the game and instead of running the offense through quick, who no one could keep out of the paint, Rj decided hey its my time to shine. Proceeded to take horrible shots, 3 turnovers and play zero defense. Typical Rj instead of giving the ball to quick and you playing off of him and being an outlet for him, you decide nah i am going to take over.

He is a selfish player who only cares aboit scoring.

While not getting back on D and, also, flexing every time he scores to show everyone how tough he is even though he gets blocked on like 20% of his shots in the paint.

In comment 16075518 robbieballs2003 said:

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While not getting back on D and, also, flexing every time he scores to show everyone how tough he is even though he gets blocked on like 20% of his shots in the paint.

add to that the hokding his arm up rather than chasing the shot on a clear miss

Imo

He has been blocked 83 times this year for an average of 1.2 per game.
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In comment 16075520 Dave said:

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Imo

Randle's only problem is mental and it mostly comes into play when Brunson is out
...IMO Randle is fine with Brunson because Brunson takes on the heavier load..

Randle by himself is the issue and i think the Knicks have to see that before making a decision this offseason

Right now we are on a downswing
And as hopefully we were about to right this ship in time for a playoff run
To me this is a successful season,but Cleveland is playing very well right now and I think we may have a difficult time beating them.
Even worse would be a situation where we blow things down the stretch and wind up as a 6 seed.Philly or Boston will crush us in a series.
IMHO

I still see a lot of the same problem that have existed with Randle and Thibs. Brunson has just done an amazing job of masking those issues. Imo, a successful season to me was one where we won a first round playoff series. I do not feel confident right now in achieving that. I think this group of players can hang with any team in the NBA. A good coach will find a way with these guys. I just don't see us getting 9ut of the first round. And God forbid we have to enter the play in tournament and don't even get into the playoffs. Man, that would be horrendous.

with him healthy team can compete with anyone other than the Bucks in my opinion.

I think in the playoffs you will see a lot less Rj, i think the wing spot will be a lot of Hart, Quick and Grimes..

Monday is a must win, add another .5 game and only 6 games left including a monster game wednesday..

Nets play in Orlando tonight on a back to back, Miami is in Toronto tuesday and then at the Garden on a back to back..

Knicks could be up 4 by thursday with 5 to play on the play in..

As horrible as those stats are for RJ, they're not surprising. His outside shooting is pretty atrocious and he doesn't finish on his drives too often. And if he does draw a foul while driving, there's a good chance he's only going to make 1 out of 2 of his FTs. Pretty pathetic for a guy that doesn't do the little things either.

He doesn't deserve the PT he's getting. Hart, Quick and Obi should be getting more of his mins. But they prolly don't want to give up on him.

that RJ's +/- must be horrible, but i never cared enough to look for the stats. The stats that robbie posted show just how horrible it is.

I think he needs some tough love.

Yeah, he's a bit of a headcase who needs to control his anger, and often i wish he would pass out of the double team a little sooner. But the guy that i would like to see go is RJ. And it's not close.

Clyde talked about Cazzie Russell and that Red Holzman started Bradley over Cazzie bc Bradley would run the O like Red wanted (movement, find open man, etc.), while Cazzie wouldn't. Cazzie i believe was a first overall pick, but that didn't matter to Red.

I wish Thibs was more like Red.

Every situation and potential star that may be available will lead to different packages being offered. I don't think Randle is a winning type of player. He has shown us whonhe is time and time again. With that said, he does play well with Brunson. Thibs is more of the problem because he never holds someone like him accountable. When that occurs, the behavior gets worse over time. As we can all see, basketball is as much about fit as it is talent. I question how Randle will adapt if we were able to get another star on the team. I cannot see him being okay with being the third option, similar to what has happened with Barrett. There are only so many shots to go around and one ball. As awesome as Brunson is, he is a ball dominant player. Randle can take a step back and not have to run the offense but he still gets his touches. Adding a new star pushes him down. I don't see that working out well.

In comment 16075581 Dr. D said:

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Yeah, he's a bit of a headcase who needs to control his anger, and often i wish he would pass out of the double team a little sooner. But the guy that i would like to see go is RJ. And it's not close.

I want them both gone

In comment 16075497 robbieballs2003 said:

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Dallas now is the 11th pick in the draft and not currently in the play in tournament. Can they hold onto that 11th pick for us? Link - ( New Window )

Didn't think it was possible but it's looking more and more like the Knicks won't get that pick this year. Dallas is struggling mightily. Lost their last 3, and 7 of their last 10. Good news is their schedule isn't terrible the rest of the way.

In comment 16075592 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16075497 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Dallas now is the 11th pick in the draft and not currently in the play in tournament. Can they hold onto that 11th pick for us? Link - ( New Window ) Didn't think it was possible but it's looking more and more like the Knicks won't get that pick this year. Dallas is struggling mightily. Lost their last 3, and 7 of their last 10. Good news is their schedule isn't terrible the rest of the way.

Their strength of schedule is higher than those around so it appears they will lose any tiebreakers which is great news.

In comment 16075593 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16075592 k2tampa said: Quote: In comment 16075497 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Dallas now is the 11th pick in the draft and not currently in the play in tournament. Can they hold onto that 11th pick for us? Link - ( New Window ) Didn't think it was possible but it's looking more and more like the Knicks won't get that pick this year. Dallas is struggling mightily. Lost their last 3, and 7 of their last 10. Good news is their schedule isn't terrible the rest of the way. Their strength of schedule is higher than those around so it appears they will lose any tiebreakers which is great news.

Oh, nevermind. I was looking at the wrong column. It appears that the NBA just randomly breaks ties so I guess it is a too be determined situation.

for him to have stayed in Dallas

“I wanted that role of being with the Mavericks for the long haul of my career. I truly loved that place,” Brunson told Haynes. “I can’t say anything bad about Dallas, but obviously I wish things would’ve happened differently.”

In comment 16075586 Anakim said:

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In comment 16075581 Dr. D said: Quote: Yeah, he's a bit of a headcase who needs to control his anger, and often i wish he would pass out of the double team a little sooner. But the guy that i would like to see go is RJ. And it's not close. I want them both gone

IMO it is RJ that is just completely off base with his play. He continues to put up way too many shots for the level of shooting talent he has.

I'd love to see what the team could do with his minutes going to Grimes, IQ and McBride.

Randle has plenty of games where he justifies his overall shot count. I just wish he'd put the ball in Brunson's hands or even IQ in crunch time. Beyond some horrible drives I've seen of his. I simply do not want him dribbling and taking step back 3's really ever but in crunch time it drives me crazy.

More people were defending RJ at the beginning of the year I'm glad it is this obvious to most of the fan base now. Hopefully that means it is the same for the front office.

I hope they have the guts to start him on the bench in the playoffs. That should at least make him think about shot selection.

I think if we added another star (especially a veteran like LBJ) in the offseason I think you could get Randle to be the good version as a #3 option. But RJ just doesn't have a place on a winning team with his game the way it is now. I have no idea what they were thinking with that extension. He doesn't do anything that is even close to elite.

hopefully he is good to go

for the future of Randle and Thibs but zrj also, team goes on a little run they all could be back with tweaks to the roster..

Lose first round and it could mean a big trade where Rj or randle go in the trade

for giving RJ 120 million. He's paid like a star, thinks he is, and tries to play like one but he doesn't have the athletic talent to do it. The best use of RJ at this point is his salary as part of a trade for a star. Him, Randle and Brunson have NO shot as a trio. That's obvious.
My other issue is, in the modern NBA, what purpose does Robinson have? Teams spend their time chucking 3's you have to be able to defend the line first and foremost. He is there to protect the rim, which is now secondary of importance. He's a lousy 1-1 defender, guys like Embid eats him for lunch.
On offense, its like playing 4 on 5. He needs to be a 20 min bench player, but that's too complicated for Thibs to figure out.

In comment 16075692 Dave on the UWS said:

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for giving RJ 120 million. He's paid like a star, thinks he is, and tries to play like one but he doesn't have the athletic talent to do it. The best use of RJ at this point is his salary as part of a trade for a star. Him, Randle and Brunson have NO shot as a trio. That's obvious. My other issue is, in the modern NBA, what purpose does Robinson have? Teams spend their time chucking 3's you have to be able to defend the line first and foremost. He is there to protect the rim, which is now secondary of importance. He's a lousy 1-1 defender, guys like Embid eats him for lunch. On offense, its like playing 4 on 5. He needs to be a 20 min bench player, but that's too complicated for Thibs to figure out.

First off the last thing Rose does is panic, if he panicked the Knicks would of made terirble trsdes and not have the amount of picks they do..

Secondly Rj is not paid like a star, nowhere close, he is paid like a good starter, Mid level is at 12 million at this point..

They trade for Kyrie, fall apart, and now the Knicks may be out of a first round pick this season.

In comment 16075708 Reeses Pieces said:

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They trade for Kyrie, fall apart, and now the Knicks may be out of a first round pick this season.

No, but maybe they change their thought process now. They were like the 6th seed a week ago. I doubt they were worried about their pick over making the playoffs.

1-2-3 is The Frenchman, Scoot, & then Miller from 'Bama. Of all those, I'm least confident about Miller considering the off the court stuff.

I am not ready to give up on RJ just yet
Unless a star comes available.
I don't need advanced stats to confirm what I see, he has been garbage for 85-90% of the season but over the last month he has made improve on his dribble kick and rebounding better.
Also turnovers are down.
He is someone willing to change has game with proper coaching and Brunson on the court.
Randle has been all NBA 90% of the time the problem is the 10% is the worse basketball possible.
Attitude problems, lazy play on both sides, and an actual drag on his team . I would say those 10 % he is a detriment to the team and actually makes everyone around him considerably worse.
I would not want to play with that Randle and I think his team is tired of the act.
Both will be here for a couple years and you hope they improve.

In comment 16075722 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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1-2-3 is The Frenchman, Scoot, & then Miller from 'Bama. Of all those, I'm least confident about Miller considering the off the court stuff.

I went to the Sweet 16 to watch my Tigers lose,* but I got to see the Alabama game as well. Miller did not impress me. Granted, it's one game.

* I figured this will likely never, ever happen again, so why not. Louisville's a cool mid-size city. Hits above it's weight (bourbon, Muhammed Ali) given its size. I'm an NYC guy so I think it might be too little for me to live there, but the surrounding area seemed really nice.

the RJ haters are "right" insofar as he's played like shit this year. But I'm not giving up on him. If they do trade him, I'd be fine with it, but he probably hurt his value this year. We're realistically stuck with him through at least next season, so you might as well root for him to turn it around.

I bought my son a f$%^#ing #9 RJ Jersey and i am sticking with him...I have zero evidence or stats to back this up,but I just beleieve in him....would you rather have Zion right now?Seriously,they pay him a ton of money to not play.
How bout Cowboy Ja???
Do you think that situation will improve?
RJ will develop into a soild starter in this league.
I believe his D will improve and his ability to dribble past defenders at will on the wing makes him a difficult cover.
That said,he has devolved,and needs to grow up.
Improvements are necessary,fortunately,I think he is educable.

To make this team look good without Brunson .

But with Brunson this team is very strong.

He needs to be fully healthy for the playoffs.

In comment 16075788 CornerStone246+17 said:

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To make this team look good without Brunson . But with Brunson this team is very strong. He needs to be fully healthy for the playoffs.

The problem is our defense. He's a defensive coach whose team is just severely lacking here. I agree with you about the O without Brunson.

Magic are pretty feisty.

with 7 games left. Knicks will have a tiebreaker on Miami with a better conference record. Tiebreaker scenario is uncertain with Brooklyn because their conference and division records are similar, and they split the 4 games played

RJ’s extension is 120 over 4 yrs. That’s a little more than mid level. That s way too much for a guy who is 3rd option on the team and who doesn’t want to do any of the little things to help the team win.

In comment 16075799 dpinzow said:

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with 7 games left. Knicks will have a tiebreaker on Miami with a better conference record. Tiebreaker scenario is uncertain with Brooklyn because their conference and division records are similar, and they split the 4 games played

I think if Knicks win tomorrow night and Heat lose to tornto Tuesday, Knicks can clinch at least the 6th seed Wednesday vs Heat because they would be up 4 with 5 to play and own the tiebreaker

In comment 16075801 Dave on the UWS said:

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RJ’s extension is 120 over 4 yrs. That’s a little more than mid level. That s way too much for a guy who is 3rd option on the team and who doesn’t want to do any of the little things to help the team win.

4 years 107

Seemed like a very fair one for both sides,when it was penned..

In comment 16075692 Dave on the UWS said:

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for giving RJ 120 million. He's paid like a star, thinks he is, and tries to play like one but he doesn't have the athletic talent to do it. The best use of RJ at this point is his salary as part of a trade for a star. Him, Randle and Brunson have NO shot as a trio. That's obvious. My other issue is, in the modern NBA, what purpose does Robinson have? Teams spend their time chucking 3's you have to be able to defend the line first and foremost. He is there to protect the rim, which is now secondary of importance. He's a lousy 1-1 defender, guys like Embid eats him for lunch. On offense, its like playing 4 on 5. He needs to be a 20 min bench player, but that's too complicated for Thibs to figure out.

Mitch has been pretty damn good this year. And how many "guys like Embiid" do you think there actually are? LOL. Mitch is fine and a good 1 on 1 defender. Embiid is just an absolutely exceptional 1 on 1 player. Mitch is hardly the cause of the recent woes.

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In comment 16076525 robbieballs2003 said:

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Somebody needs to.... Go for it.

get back on that horse buddy....