My concern is for the size/speed why wasn’t he more productive? Almost reminds me more of Will Allen or Prince Amukamara where we are seeing PBU’s rather than INT’s.
Last year, the giants took Neal , Robinson and Flott from the SEC early. Our program has strong ties with Bama, which probably means knows the SEC well.
I like all players selected, but if the best player supposedly play in the SEC, I’d prefer a few of them.
I really do not know the players but love the positions..
Yes, trades do occasionally happen, but not very often.
I feel like recent years have seen an increase in trades overall and especially draft trades. Weren't there nearly a dozen first round trades last year? And thats not including pre-draft trades involving picks. Seems like the new generation of GMs is much more willing to take a swing with a trade.
I took a quick look but couldn't find any data on this, anyone know where we might find it?
They have to have old data points in there or something. While it typically isn't very wise to speak in absolutes when projecting the draft but it's hard to envision him falling as far absent some incident between now and April.
is known for non-accurate simulator since their board is all over the place and subjective.
That mock is non-realistic in imo.
I recommend using nfl mock draft database since they use consensus board so more accurate than PFN and PFF. Their trade is thing is little off but not too bad. Link - ( New Window )
Spears goes first 2 days.
Flowers goes top 40, likely in first.
Wypler gone by Giants 3rd rounder.
Benton gone in round 2 or early 3.
Tbh, not even sure Banks makes it to 25.
But it's just for fun and a good learning tool to study guys who might be available at different spots.
I did one using nfl mock draft database after the recommendation from Rave7. I concur that this is the best simulator I've used.
I also did some trades, notably, trading down from 25 to 29, as well as some others, netting me more picks.
Yes, there's silliness to this, but after all the trades, here is what I came up with, and I'd be pretty happy with this (I stopped at 4 rounds):
#29: Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee - He's a guy on my short list, and given how the draft was playing to this point, I felt there was a decent chance he'd still be there for me after a short trade down ... he's been discussed a lot, so to keep it pithy ... I love what he would bring with the speed element to the WR corps coupled with elite upside.
#57: Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa - Another of my favorites, just couldn't pass this up at this point in the draft, as I believe him to be a 1st round talent. The Okereke addition, however, means that I'm probably drafting this player at #57 overall to be a 2-down linebacker. That said, he's my future starter and defensive team leader inside, and I believe he can stay on the field in passing situations, and would be a nice insurance policy to Okereke, as well as really put two guys inside that can really get after it as well as not be a liability vs the pass.
#92: Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina - Really long (6'2"), and really athletic corner with just superior traits. 4.36 40 at the combine, strong 10 yard split at 1.51, super long arms and good hand size (9.5"). Small trade down from #89 that didn't hurt me, as none of my targets went in between these picks, and I used some of that draft capital for a trade up later.
#115: Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee - Acquired this pick from New Orleans with the trade down to #29 in the first. Tillman just represented too much value at this spot. Tillman offers a little different look than what the Giants have at receiver, and I felt like his value was a full round earlier. Drafting two receivers in an already crowded receiver room might raise eyebrows, but this is a good problem to have. I don't mind pushing some guys down the depth chart or cutting/trading from recent depth signings. I can redshirt Tillman, or just play him on specials. For a bigger receiver (6'3", 213 lbs), he's pretty athletic, with decent speed but also shows some upside in explosion traits (1.53 split, 37" vert, 10'8" broad). Against Georgia in 2021, 10 catches, 200 yards, and a score. Against 'Bama that year, 7-152-1.
#120: Byron Young, Edge, Tennessee - No, I'm not a Vols fan. I traded up from #128 to get him. I was really wanting Karl Brooks, DT from Bowling Green in this spot, but alas, he went just a pick earlier. That said, sticking with the theme, Young is a traits prospect with elite athleticism who is a bit raw. This is an elite athlete though that I don't think would've made it to #128. Will need some coaching up but the tools are there.
#131: Andrew Vorhees, IOL, USC - Acquired this pick with the trade down in the third with the Bengals, just a really strong value to get a future linchpin OG this late. I won't count on him to make a contribution at all in 2023 after he tore his ACL at the combine, but he's just a big, incredibly strong guard I'm happy to add as part of the future.
My concern is for the size/speed why wasn’t he more productive? Almost reminds me more of Will Allen or Prince Amukamara where we are seeing PBU’s rather than INT’s.
Last year, the giants took Neal , Robinson and Flott from the SEC early. Our program has strong ties with Bama, which probably means knows the SEC well.
I like all players selected, but if the best player supposedly play in the SEC, I’d prefer a few of them.
Penn St. is about the only college team I follow....
I also hold judgment from all the talking heads....that have their own agendas.
Yes, trades do occasionally happen, but not very often.
Great size and speed. Poor ball skills.
Only 2 career interceptions. Pass
Yes, trades do occasionally happen, but not very often.
I feel like recent years have seen an increase in trades overall and especially draft trades. Weren't there nearly a dozen first round trades last year? And thats not including pre-draft trades involving picks. Seems like the new generation of GMs is much more willing to take a swing with a trade.
I took a quick look but couldn't find any data on this, anyone know where we might find it?
They have to have old data points in there or something. While it typically isn't very wise to speak in absolutes when projecting the draft but it's hard to envision him falling as far absent some incident between now and April.
That mock is non-realistic in imo.
I recommend using nfl mock draft database since they use consensus board so more accurate than PFN and PFF. Their trade is thing is little off but not too bad.
Link - ( New Window )
Spears goes first 2 days.
Flowers goes top 40, likely in first.
Wypler gone by Giants 3rd rounder.
Benton gone in round 2 or early 3.
Tbh, not even sure Banks makes it to 25.
I did one using nfl mock draft database after the recommendation from Rave7. I concur that this is the best simulator I've used.
I also did some trades, notably, trading down from 25 to 29, as well as some others, netting me more picks.
Yes, there's silliness to this, but after all the trades, here is what I came up with, and I'd be pretty happy with this (I stopped at 4 rounds):
#29: Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee - He's a guy on my short list, and given how the draft was playing to this point, I felt there was a decent chance he'd still be there for me after a short trade down ... he's been discussed a lot, so to keep it pithy ... I love what he would bring with the speed element to the WR corps coupled with elite upside.
#57: Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa - Another of my favorites, just couldn't pass this up at this point in the draft, as I believe him to be a 1st round talent. The Okereke addition, however, means that I'm probably drafting this player at #57 overall to be a 2-down linebacker. That said, he's my future starter and defensive team leader inside, and I believe he can stay on the field in passing situations, and would be a nice insurance policy to Okereke, as well as really put two guys inside that can really get after it as well as not be a liability vs the pass.
#92: Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina - Really long (6'2"), and really athletic corner with just superior traits. 4.36 40 at the combine, strong 10 yard split at 1.51, super long arms and good hand size (9.5"). Small trade down from #89 that didn't hurt me, as none of my targets went in between these picks, and I used some of that draft capital for a trade up later.
#115: Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee - Acquired this pick from New Orleans with the trade down to #29 in the first. Tillman just represented too much value at this spot. Tillman offers a little different look than what the Giants have at receiver, and I felt like his value was a full round earlier. Drafting two receivers in an already crowded receiver room might raise eyebrows, but this is a good problem to have. I don't mind pushing some guys down the depth chart or cutting/trading from recent depth signings. I can redshirt Tillman, or just play him on specials. For a bigger receiver (6'3", 213 lbs), he's pretty athletic, with decent speed but also shows some upside in explosion traits (1.53 split, 37" vert, 10'8" broad). Against Georgia in 2021, 10 catches, 200 yards, and a score. Against 'Bama that year, 7-152-1.
#120: Byron Young, Edge, Tennessee - No, I'm not a Vols fan. I traded up from #128 to get him. I was really wanting Karl Brooks, DT from Bowling Green in this spot, but alas, he went just a pick earlier. That said, sticking with the theme, Young is a traits prospect with elite athleticism who is a bit raw. This is an elite athlete though that I don't think would've made it to #128. Will need some coaching up but the tools are there.
#131: Andrew Vorhees, IOL, USC - Acquired this pick with the trade down in the third with the Bengals, just a really strong value to get a future linchpin OG this late. I won't count on him to make a contribution at all in 2023 after he tore his ACL at the combine, but he's just a big, incredibly strong guard I'm happy to add as part of the future.
Yes, trades do occasionally happen, but not very often.
There again will be more than 25 trades in this year's draft, like there always are.