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Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 8:19 am
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25. New York Giants – WR Quentin Johnston, TCU

An athletic, plus-sized (6-3, 208 pounds) target could nicely stabilize a position group currently awash in short-term options. Johnston averaged 19 yards per catch in college and had a dozen TD grabs over the past two seasons – a period when no Giant had more than four TD catches in either season. Johnston could be the answer that since-released WR Kenny Golladay wasn't.

26. Dallas Cowboys – C John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota

HC Mike McCarthy wants "to run the damn ball' in 2023. A good start might finally be addressing the center position, which hasn't been the same since Travis Frederick retired after the 2019 season. Schmitz would be an upgrade who could help McCarthy achieve his stated objective.


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Sometimes, it gets to a point  
barens : 3/27/2023 8:39 am : link
where whoever they pick, I'm going to be happy, as long as it's not a QB.
RE: Sometimes, it gets to a point  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 8:41 am : link
In comment 16075895 barens said:
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where whoever they pick, I'm going to be happy, as long as it's not a QB.


Obviously we need/hope to get it right with any pick, especially first few rounds, imv, but as a fan, there’s less “pressure” when picking, say, 25 then in the top 5.
If Dallas  
Ron Johnson : 3/27/2023 8:46 am : link
Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him
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Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 8:50 am : link
In comment 16075898 Ron Johnson said:
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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him


I’m probably in the 1% who would love a stud C in the first round (if one exists) to anchor our IOL for perhaps a decade or more
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Lowell : 3/27/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 16075902 Big Blue '56 said:
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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him



I’m probably in the 1% who would love a stud C in the first round (if one exists) to anchor our IOL for perhaps a decade or more [/quote

+1
Keep in mind from a cap perspective  
Dave on the UWS : 3/27/2023 9:10 am : link
having to eventually pay 3 first round picks on the OL will be rough. That's a LOT of dollars allocated to this position group. That's why I'm NOT in favor of forcing a pick of a center in rd 1.
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Spider43 : 3/27/2023 9:56 am : link
A month away!

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RE: Sometimes, it gets to a point  
mavric : 3/27/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16075895 barens said:
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where whoever they pick, I'm going to be happy, as long as it's not a QB.


Same here. Although a RB or P/K would probably make me scream as well.
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eli4life : 3/27/2023 10:37 am : link
In comment 16075902 Big Blue '56 said:
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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him



I’m probably in the 1% who would love a stud C in the first round (if one exists) to anchor our IOL for perhaps a decade or more


I’ve been beating that drum since the season ended. No more projects get a true center
RE: Keep in mind from a cap perspective  
eli4life : 3/27/2023 10:41 am : link
In comment 16075912 Dave on the UWS said:
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having to eventually pay 3 first round picks on the OL will be rough. That's a LOT of dollars allocated to this position group. That's why I'm NOT in favor of forcing a pick of a center in rd 1.


A) such a horrible problem to have 😂
B) they are on different years with the 5th year option if we took a center in rd 1. That should help some
C) after years of wishing we had one we could keep I welcome it with open arms
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Payasdaddy : 3/27/2023 11:09 am : link
In comment 16075992 eli4life said:
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In comment 16075912 Dave on the UWS said:


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having to eventually pay 3 first round picks on the OL will be rough. That's a LOT of dollars allocated to this position group. That's why I'm NOT in favor of forcing a pick of a center in rd 1.



A) such a horrible problem to have 😂
B) they are on different years with the 5th year option if we took a center in rd 1. That should help some
C) after years of wishing we had one we could keep I welcome it with open arms


Yeah. I can’t worry about this yet. Get the OC, deal with it in 5 yrs. Another reason to keep drafting positions that will have a high salary cap hit. Wr, cb, oline, ER
RE: If Dallas  
fanatic II : 3/27/2023 11:09 am : link
In comment 16075898 Ron Johnson said:
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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him


That would be deja vu all over again like with Biadasz.

But I believe Dallas won't waste draft capital required in round one for a player.

There are too many options to just focus on one player. You have to have a plan B when you're on the clock or you will have a terrible draft reaching for players.
I've posted this thought before  
Jim in Tampa : 3/27/2023 11:18 am : link
NFL teams do not place a high value on the center position, as evidenced by the fact that no OC has been chosen in the top 10 in more than 50 years!

And yes, I understand that the Giants are picking at 25 and not in the top 10, but based on positional value, I just can't see the Giants using a 1st RD pick on an OC.

It's far more likely they go CB or WR @ 25 and wait until day 2 or even 3 to take a developmental OC. The Giants could then use Bredeson or a FA vet center as a bridge.

Hopefully when Sy posts his OL player evaluations, folks will stop calling for a center in RD 1.
RE: I've posted this thought before  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 11:36 am : link
In comment 16076025 Jim in Tampa said:
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NFL teams do not place a high value on the center position, as evidenced by the fact that no OC has been chosen in the top 10 in more than 50 years!

And yes, I understand that the Giants are picking at 25 and not in the top 10, but based on positional value, I just can't see the Giants using a 1st RD pick on an OC.

It's far more likely they go CB or WR @ 25 and wait until day 2 or even 3 to take a developmental OC. The Giants could then use Bredeson or a FA vet center as a bridge.

Hopefully when Sy posts his OL player evaluations, folks will stop calling for a center in RD 1.


I will never stop calling for a C at 25, PROVIDING he’s a stud. I also know that there is a slim to none that we do so..So your prediction of NO C is virtually a slam dunk, if at all..
It seems that the WR are dropping  
Chip : 3/27/2023 11:37 am : link
which is good news for the Giants. I agree the second round is where you get your center not the first. If the 4 WRs are gone then it becomes a problem because you should not reach for one. The WR room all ready is fairly full with number 3 and 2 WRs. Makes no sense drafting another one.
A center is definitely a need but not in round 1  
KraZee : 3/27/2023 11:38 am : link
To me the 1st rd picks with their cost (salaries) and extra year of control need to go to the premium positions that warrant it. All you have to do in order to understand which positions are premium is look at the avg salaries of the position. QB, CB, OT, DE, DT, WR (not in that particular order) are the premium spots to use your 1st rd picks on. ILB, S, IOL, RB, P, K, slot corner all fall out of the premium category and in my view should never be used in Rd 1 of a draft. The only exception I would make would be really off the charts outlier talent at the position...but looking at the Barkley pick...I think it was a mistake that high (2nd overall). There will be free agent centers we can choose from of avg quality which may be better than what was in house with Gates and Feliciano. May even already be on the team with Bredeson. Regardless, I like picking a solid candidate for center in the draft and then coach em up
Pick the best player available  
Dnew15 : 3/27/2023 11:54 am : link
Aside from LT - there are no spots on this roster that are slam dunk all-stars.

Picking a WR/C in rounds 1/2 is exactly the mentality that will jam up a franchise.

RE: RE: If Dallas  
Beer Man : 3/27/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16075902 Big Blue '56 said:
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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him



I’m probably in the 1% who would love a stud C in the first round (if one exists) to anchor our IOL for perhaps a decade or more
I haven't followed the C prospects. But I have read in a couple of places where it made it sound like there isn't a stud C in this year's draft.
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Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16076109 Beer Man said:
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In comment 16075902 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 16075898 Ron Johnson said:


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Loves the center it’s more likely that they jump the Giants to get him



I’m probably in the 1% who would love a stud C in the first round (if one exists) to anchor our IOL for perhaps a decade or more

I haven't followed the C prospects. But I have read in a couple of places where it made it sound like there isn't a stud C in this year's draft.


If so, then no at 25
Unless he's the second coming of  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/27/2023 3:21 pm : link
Travis Fredricks or Frank Ragnow, positional value has to be considered.

CB/WR/DE.

IMO.
So Dallas  
Joe Beckwith : 3/27/2023 4:28 pm : link
moves Biadsz to G, or just gives up on him?
RE: RE: I've posted this thought before  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/27/2023 5:11 pm : link
In comment 16076049 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 16076025 Jim in Tampa said:


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NFL teams do not place a high value on the center position, as evidenced by the fact that no OC has been chosen in the top 10 in more than 50 years!

And yes, I understand that the Giants are picking at 25 and not in the top 10, but based on positional value, I just can't see the Giants using a 1st RD pick on an OC.

It's far more likely they go CB or WR @ 25 and wait until day 2 or even 3 to take a developmental OC. The Giants could then use Bredeson or a FA vet center as a bridge.

Hopefully when Sy posts his OL player evaluations, folks will stop calling for a center in RD 1.



I will never stop calling for a C at 25, PROVIDING he’s a stud. I also know that there is a slim to none that we do so..So your prediction of NO C is virtually a slam dunk, if at all..


David Syvertsen @Ourlads_Sy

Replying to @DanSchneierNFL

The issue I see with this OC class is the lack of lateral speed. Tippman and Wypler can get you a solid first step, but not sure they can play with the range Feliciano showed

Outside zone concepts will make it tough with any of the starting caliber OCs from this group
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Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16076405 gidiefor said:
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In comment 16076049 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 16076025 Jim in Tampa said:


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NFL teams do not place a high value on the center position, as evidenced by the fact that no OC has been chosen in the top 10 in more than 50 years!

And yes, I understand that the Giants are picking at 25 and not in the top 10, but based on positional value, I just can't see the Giants using a 1st RD pick on an OC.

It's far more likely they go CB or WR @ 25 and wait until day 2 or even 3 to take a developmental OC. The Giants could then use Bredeson or a FA vet center as a bridge.

Hopefully when Sy posts his OL player evaluations, folks will stop calling for a center in RD 1.



I will never stop calling for a C at 25, PROVIDING he’s a stud. I also know that there is a slim to none that we do so..So your prediction of NO C is virtually a slam dunk, if at all..



David Syvertsen @Ourlads_Sy

Replying to @DanSchneierNFL

The issue I see with this OC class is the lack of lateral speed. Tippman and Wypler can get you a solid first step, but not sure they can play with the range Feliciano showed

Outside zone concepts will make it tough with any of the starting caliber OCs from this group


As I said, if there’s no stud at C, then you don’t draft one high
I'm listening to the podcast now  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/27/2023 5:46 pm : link
and he doesn't have a first or second round grade on any of the centers in this draft
RE: I'm listening to the podcast now  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2023 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16076446 gidiefor said:
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and he doesn't have a first or second round grade on any of the centers in this draft


If the Giants agree, then that’s that.
Don’t mean to be a hater but the  
gersh : 3/27/2023 9:19 pm : link
“if there’s a stud Center in this draft we should draft him” is lazy even for BBI

I know not everyone is a draft expert, but if you just look at mock drafts, yiu know there’s not a C worth the 25th pick

Im hoping that the guys who really watch film here will weigh in on some of the guys we might take.
Ok, I’m an idiot  
gersh : 3/27/2023 9:20 pm : link
Cowboys at 26

It’s all becoming clear now

My apologies fellas
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