Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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John Mara says Giants haven’t closed the door on Odell Beckham Jr. Says he’s in favor of signing him back if Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll can make it work
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
That’s quite a leap to say he’s making decisions. He was asked a question while at the owners meetings. He answered it. Every owner in the league will be answering questions all week. We just don’t hear about it because we focus on the Giants.
At times we forget about monikers applied to business enterprises or franchises. When Wellington Mara stated "Once a Giant, always a Giant" it became a staple of the franchise. I believe in John Mara's eyes he sees OBJ as a displaced Giant and would like him to be back in the fold. The reality is that it's up to OBJ whether he returns or not.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
Agreed. What was the point of hiring a very competent and professional GM, who works very well with the HC, if you are going to interject your stupidity and biases and do so publicly? It is not only unprofessional and amateurish, but it undermines what they are trying to do. If Schoen was actually inclined to sign OBJ, this comment doesn't do anything to make that happen in a manner beneficial to the Giants.
and the Mara's have ALWAYS been fans as well as owners. That being said, he needs to keep his mouth shut. Comments like that puts his GM in an unenviable position and makes his job harder.
I can’t believe people put so much stock in these comments
Wellington gave up the GM chair to first George Young, and then later Ernie Accorsi, I don't remember him being this vocal on personnel. But perhaps my memory is hazy on this.
having inherited a fortune, he imagines he's wise.
Not all owners do this, and the ones who do are usually impediments to the success of their teams.
You have no idea what other owners say and don’t say. Unless you are following every other teams’ beat reporters Twitter accounts constantly? The only reason we know what Mara says is because we follow the Giants religiously. We don’t follow other teams. If I were to ask ANY of my friends that are not Giants fans if they heard what Mara said today not one of them would say yes. Why? Becthey don’t follow the Giants and don’t pay attention to nonsense like this
Dan Duggan
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John Mara just spoke to the media Quick takeaways:
• Mara wants Saquon to be a Giant for life, but he mentioned the state of the RB market and a limit to how far the team can go.
• Mara is “in favor” of re-signing Odell if they can make it work.
He said he wants Barkley to be a Giant for his entire career *if that’s possible*. Those last 3 words aren’t included in Duggan’s tweet. Link - ( New Window )
And see literally every owner talk about personnel:
#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
With an owner making comments like this. He has clearly taken a back seat in decision making, and states he was on board IF Joe made the decision. It’s not news IMO.
He owns the team, and has been associated with the Giants his entire life. To expect him to never say a word is unrealistic….Let’s just all be happy he finally too a step back and brought in people from outside the organization to make football decisions.
The Barry Switzer Quote Fits John Mara, Chris Mara
is that now for the next few weeks, everything Schoen does, or doesn't do, will be interpreted by way of the assumption that Mara is actually pulling the strings.
The irony is, the same people who ridicule Jerry Jones, or Snyder, or Irsay for meddling in the team's on-field business seem to want Mara to do the same, if only so they can ridicule him too.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen says hespoke to Saquon Barkley’s agent 3 days ago. Reset negotiations after tagging him, no outstanding offers. John Mara says Barkley wasn’t pleased with the tag. Schoen says soft RB market not a factor. Comfortable with carrying $10 million tag number
every owner? They own the team and reporters ask them.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
Many owners don't make personnel decisions or pressure the GM to make them but there are a few that do most notably Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and Stephen Ross.
And see literally every owner talk about personnel:
#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
Those examples don't compromise negotiating position. The first is a vague comment about the roster and the second is about a player under contract who is clearly the starter.
Every owner makes comments on personnel. You think Mara is the worst? Seriously look at the Cohen who owns the Mets. Guy talks to fans directly on social media. How about Johnson and the Jets? The only owner in NY who does not speak is Dolan and everyone knows meddles for sure with the Knicks.
Mara is owner of the team. He can say whatever he wants.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
I agree, I'm just saying what I expect to be reality vs "how it should be"
billionaires or multi-millionaires - whatever group these owners are part of probably aren't used to being told to "stay out of it". Just my sense. I see it with Kraft up here in New England all the time - especially with all the Brady and Garoppolo drama that happened.
Having been the guy that WAS signing the checks, up until OBJ indirectly dumped on the NYFG and offended the guy signing the checks, all JM is saying is : I’m putting my feelings aside and if JS and DB think he can make a positive difference for the Giants then I’m open to bringing him back.
After all , he IS the guy signing the checks. And after $72M a TD from KG, the OBJ dump has been replaced by the KG/ DG tag team at #1 of things JM is p*ssed about.
dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
John Mara is questioned by the media during owners meetings about his team and players. BBI reacts and we get a whole lot of STFU's.
John Mara gave his thought, but also deferred back to schoen and daboll.
His comments have nothing to do with negotiations or making Joe schoens job. The same as John Maras comments last year had no effect on the 5th year option for Daniel Jones, but that didn't stop people saying it was getting picked up.
Wellington Mara did not attend a lot of the owners meetings. John Mara handled a lot of that as Wellington got older.
Charlotte Carroll
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Giants’ John Mara on QB Daniel Jones: “If we put the right pieces around him, there’s no limit as to how high he can climb”
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
Mara needs to just STFU and let Daboll and JS handle the roster.
Of course he's the multi-billionaire that owns the team and can say whatever the F he wants....so there's that.
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If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
Exactly, except he's too thin-skinned and too much of a coward to do so.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
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for the groceries.
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
Is there any team with a completely hands off owner?
I would be surprised if that's truly the case in almost any professional sport.
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for the groceries.
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
That’s quite a leap to say he’s making decisions. He was asked a question while at the owners meetings. He answered it. Every owner in the league will be answering questions all week. We just don’t hear about it because we focus on the Giants.
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every owner? They own the team and reporters ask them.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
@charlottecrrll
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Giants’ John Mara says he last spoke with Saquon Barkley about 10 days and that it was a good conversation
“We want him to be a Giant for his entire career”
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
Not all owners do this, and the ones who do are usually impediments to the success of their teams.
@DDuggan21
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John Mara just spoke to the media Quick takeaways:
• Mara wants Saquon to be a Giant for life, but he mentioned the state of the RB market and a limit to how far the team can go.
• Mara is “in favor” of re-signing Odell if they can make it work.
Not all owners do this, and the ones who do are usually impediments to the success of their teams.
You have no idea what other owners say and don’t say. Unless you are following every other teams’ beat reporters Twitter accounts constantly? The only reason we know what Mara says is because we follow the Giants religiously. We don’t follow other teams. If I were to ask ANY of my friends that are not Giants fans if they heard what Mara said today not one of them would say yes. Why? Becthey don’t follow the Giants and don’t pay attention to nonsense like this
@DDuggan21
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John Mara just spoke to the media Quick takeaways:
• Mara wants Saquon to be a Giant for life, but he mentioned the state of the RB market and a limit to how far the team can go.
• Mara is “in favor” of re-signing Odell if they can make it work.
He said he wants Barkley to be a Giant for his entire career *if that’s possible*. Those last 3 words aren’t included in Duggan’s tweet.
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#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
He owns the team, and has been associated with the Giants his entire life. To expect him to never say a word is unrealistic….Let’s just all be happy he finally too a step back and brought in people from outside the organization to make football decisions.
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Just STFU
The irony is, the same people who ridicule Jerry Jones, or Snyder, or Irsay for meddling in the team's on-field business seem to want Mara to do the same, if only so they can ridicule him too.
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants GM Joe Schoen says hespoke to Saquon Barkley’s agent 3 days ago. Reset negotiations after tagging him, no outstanding offers. John Mara says Barkley wasn’t pleased with the tag. Schoen says soft RB market not a factor. Comfortable with carrying $10 million tag number
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every owner? They own the team and reporters ask them.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
Many owners don't make personnel decisions or pressure the GM to make them but there are a few that do most notably Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and Stephen Ross.
#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
Those examples don't compromise negotiating position. The first is a vague comment about the roster and the second is about a player under contract who is clearly the starter.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
It took 17 years to get him to change his ways his ways enough and bring in someone from the outside to fix things. Don't get greedy
Mara is owner of the team. He can say whatever he wants.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
I agree, I'm just saying what I expect to be reality vs "how it should be"
billionaires or multi-millionaires - whatever group these owners are part of probably aren't used to being told to "stay out of it". Just my sense. I see it with Kraft up here in New England all the time - especially with all the Brady and Garoppolo drama that happened.
Having been the guy that WAS signing the checks, up until OBJ indirectly dumped on the NYFG and offended the guy signing the checks, all JM is saying is : I’m putting my feelings aside and if JS and DB think he can make a positive difference for the Giants then I’m open to bringing him back.
After all , he IS the guy signing the checks. And after $72M a TD from KG, the OBJ dump has been replaced by the KG/ DG tag team at #1 of things JM is p*ssed about.
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
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for the groceries.
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
Exactly, except he's too thin-skinned and too much of a coward to do so.
Jesus people like you are Hannibal lector level strange.
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
@DDuggan21
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These got cut short because Joe Schoen walked in right after. So here are more Schoen/Mara takeaways:
• Schoen said there is no offer currently on the table to Saquon. Giants seem content to have him play on the tag.
• Doesn’t sound like Leonard Williams is going anywhere…
… Mara said he expects Willians back and it doesn’t sound like Schoen is planning to ask for a pay cut.
• Schoen mentioned Bredeson, Lemieux and Jack Anderson as center options. Plus, possible draft/street FA additions.
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In comment 16076246 pjcas18 said:
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for the groceries.
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
Exactly, except he's too thin-skinned and too much of a coward to do so.
Jesus people like you are Hannibal lector level strange.
Hush mongo, hush.
John Mara gave his thought, but also deferred back to schoen and daboll.
His comments have nothing to do with negotiations or making Joe schoens job. The same as John Maras comments last year had no effect on the 5th year option for Daniel Jones, but that didn't stop people saying it was getting picked up.
Wellington Mara did not attend a lot of the owners meetings. John Mara handled a lot of that as Wellington got older.
@charlottecrrll
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Giants’ John Mara on QB Daniel Jones: “If we put the right pieces around him, there’s no limit as to how high he can climb”
Very pleased he’s back