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John Mara says Giants haven’t closed the door on Odell Beckham Jr. Says he’s in favor of signing him back if Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll can make it work
If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
"If they can make it work": there is a lot that goes into that. If neither Schoen or Daboll want his personalty near the team then they can't make it work. I read it more as Schoen and Daboll are looking at the possibility (as they do with any free agent who could help) and Mara hasn't told them no.
I don't see any problem. He didn't say go sign him.
he does more damage then anything positive with his personnel comments
How does saying they haven't closed the door on Beckham do any damage? It might even help by getting another free agent to lower their demand. It might confuse other teams on the Giants' intentions for the rest of free agency and the draft. He didn't say 'I want them to sign him.' He basically said we'll consider anything that might make our team better.
As far as Barkley, I bet if you asked Schoen he'd say he wants him to be a lifelong Giant. Remember, he said publicly he wanted Jones to be the Giants QB, and he was the one negotiating with him.
There's a lot to blame the Mara's for, but this is nothing.
dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Seriously, the guy almost traded Mariono Rivera for Felix Fernin because he didn't want to start a rookie (Jeter) at shortstop.As a Mets fan I wish he had. Not only does that insufferable dynasty not happen but the Mets probably win the WS in 2000.
Wellington gave up the GM chair to first George Young, and then later Ernie Accorsi, I don't remember him being this vocal on personnel. But perhaps my memory is hazy on this.
It's not as if Wellington did so willingly. The team was a total mess until the league forced them to hire Young.
The Maras don't know how to do anything but make stupid comments. My hope is that Tisch keeps Mara from making stupid hires.
Just because somebody shoves a microphone in your face
every owner? They own the team and reporters ask them.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
I’m betting if you followed the Twitter feeds and articles by every beat writer who covered each team in the league as much as you do the Giants it would be about as frequent with majority owners as it is with Mara. It’s really not the absurd situation as many Giants fans make it out to be.
The year is 2037. The NFL has 4 expansion teams on the Moon.
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
+1
plus this puts a little bit of leverage on the side of OBJ when it comes down to negotiations. he needs to be indifferent. If he was asked about OBJ, he should have said he is leaving the personnel decisions to Schoen and Daboll
dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Spot on Matt!! A total idiot. It's no coincidence that both WS teams were built while he was suspended.
He can say anything he damn well pleases and this board will complain no matter what. BBI will want to draft Rosen, Darnold,Haskins, and love the signings of Golladay and Solder until they don't work out. I will admit I liked the signing of Golladay. Can't wait for the draft so we can bitch some more.
dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Spot on Matt!! A total idiot. It's no coincidence that both WS teams were built while he was suspended.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or agreeing. Obviously, the 2 WS in the 70s were while he was very much involved. They were wonderful. But, they also helped set the stage for what came next in the 80s and they made this a terrible place to play. Once the winning stopped abruptly, guys wanted out in a hurry.
I love that Steinbrenner treated owning a team as more than a business. Sports are competitive and the point is to win. He immediately viewed the franchise as requiring re-investment into it in order to win. More owners need to take that approach. The problem was he was irrational and rash and made a lot of poor decisions to try to reach that goal. The goal was valid, but the path toward was often damaged. And, he was insufferable.
People have the weeping Steinbrenner of the late 80s as if that was who he was for the previous 20 years. That was not him.
And he believes Beckham and Barkley to be popular, so he acts like the good cop and leaves Schoen and Abrams to be the bad cops. This should make the BBI worrywarts happy; he's playing the part of an owner/fan who leaves personnel decisions to his "football people".
And this kinda gets my blood boiling. Or at least a low simmer. John- stfu already. You’ve done enough damage.
Really??? Then you need to go get help for your anger issues. JFC he didn’t say go get obj or anything. He was asked and he answered no big deal here nothing to get y’all’s panties in a bunch. It would also help if the beats tweeted the whole comment not just the part to get clicks
he does more damage then anything positive with his personnel comments
Oh bullshit. Some you people are just so negative. So what? He likes Beckham and Barkley. He is the freaking owner. He is allowed to make comments. He is a fan on top of being the owner. Schoen is running the show now.
Advice to all - dismiss what he says. Like any other fan, he is allowed to say he likes certain players.
what people want the owner to do here. Okay in the past he has meddled a bit too much and been rightfully roasted for it. he appears to have hired the right men to fix his franchise and appears to trust them with the personnel decisions. But he should sit in his corner count his money and talk to or about the players he is paying. In one of the biggest sports markets in the country? I don't get what people are asking for. Sure, you don't remember Wellington doing that but that was like over 50 years ago. Were Wellington alive and running the giants in 2023, you might be surprised how much you hear from him.
Than it really is. Seems to me he’s saying if the GM wants to sign him I’d be all for it. I think it would have been worse if he said Schoen wanted to sign him but I didn’t.
I just think he’s not going to stand in the way of players the coach and GM want.
But he qualified the comments about Barkley and Beckham, deferring to Schoen, making those comments innocuous.
The big news here is that the Giants are planning on having Saquon play on the tag, which is exactly what they should be doing. No long term contract for Barkley. Excellent
But he qualified the comments about Barkley and Beckham, deferring to Schoen, making those comments innocuous.
The big news here is that the Giants are planning on having Saquon play on the tag, which is exactly what they should be doing. No long term contract for Barkley. Excellent
Sure they’re planning on SB playing on the tag. It’s a negotiating ploy, imv..They have until mid July to firm up a deal. Things can and often do, change on a dime. And yes, he plays on the tag if no agreement is reached
In a way this reminds me a bit of when Gettleman would go in front of the press, say patently idiotic things, and some fans here would say Eh, don't listen to what he says, follow what he does.
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
And see literally every owner talk about personnel:
#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
Those examples don't compromise negotiating position. The first is a vague comment about the roster and the second is about a player under contract who is clearly the starter.
Compromise negotiating position? Come on. Play it out in your head. How does it go?
Agent: well your owner said he wants Saquon to be a Giant for life…..
Schoen: Did he really? Damn. You got me. How much do you want?
What Mara said was completely inconsequential. It means nothing. This is why you read about the Giants having a negative fan base. Stuff like this. Gimme a break.
In a way this reminds me a bit of when Gettleman would go in front of the press, say patently idiotic things, and some fans here would say Eh, don't listen to what he says, follow what he does.
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
Ultimately though, whether he does or doesn't, there is literally nothing we can do about him.
With gettleman, getting fired was always a possibility.
In a way this reminds me a bit of when Gettleman would go in front of the press, say patently idiotic things, and some fans here would say Eh, don't listen to what he says, follow what he does.
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
Sorry, I discount it completely. There’s no recent history since Schoen became the man. I believe Schoen is in COMPLETE control of these decisions, until we learn otherwise
I get he's the owner. I get he has a right to express his 1st amendment rights like all other Americans. But I do wish he'd STFU. John just needs to sign the checks & drink a glass of champagne or whatever he drinks after a win. That said, @ least he's not Jerruh & having his own weekly spot on WFAN.
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If he's making the decisions, fire the GM and just become GM.
"If they can make it work": there is a lot that goes into that. If neither Schoen or Daboll want his personalty near the team then they can't make it work. I read it more as Schoen and Daboll are looking at the possibility (as they do with any free agent who could help) and Mara hasn't told them no.
I don't see any problem. He didn't say go sign him.
How does saying they haven't closed the door on Beckham do any damage? It might even help by getting another free agent to lower their demand. It might confuse other teams on the Giants' intentions for the rest of free agency and the draft. He didn't say 'I want them to sign him.' He basically said we'll consider anything that might make our team better.
As far as Barkley, I bet if you asked Schoen he'd say he wants him to be a lifelong Giant. Remember, he said publicly he wanted Jones to be the Giants QB, and he was the one negotiating with him.
There's a lot to blame the Mara's for, but this is nothing.
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dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Seriously, the guy almost traded Mariono Rivera for Felix Fernin because he didn't want to start a rookie (Jeter) at shortstop.As a Mets fan I wish he had. Not only does that insufferable dynasty not happen but the Mets probably win the WS in 2000.
It's not as if Wellington did so willingly. The team was a total mess until the league forced them to hire Young.
The Maras don't know how to do anything but make stupid comments. My hope is that Tisch keeps Mara from making stupid hires.
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every owner? They own the team and reporters ask them.
But do they? Jerry Jones does it. I don't hear a lot of owners doing it. But perhaps I'm missing their comments.
I’m betting if you followed the Twitter feeds and articles by every beat writer who covered each team in the league as much as you do the Giants it would be about as frequent with majority owners as it is with Mara. It’s really not the absurd situation as many Giants fans make it out to be.
There is a complaint thread on BBI.
If you can see that,you can kinda figure out what you're dealing with.
We're all just a long for the ride
But deferring public comments on personnel to his GM and HC would be more prudent. IMO.
+1
plus this puts a little bit of leverage on the side of OBJ when it comes down to negotiations. he needs to be indifferent. If he was asked about OBJ, he should have said he is leaving the personnel decisions to Schoen and Daboll
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dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Spot on Matt!! A total idiot. It's no coincidence that both WS teams were built while he was suspended.
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dude never talks during the season. Talks maybe during the owners meeting and sometimes post season. All I see him saying in this is that he is " not " standing against Joe and Daboll making that decision if THEY felt is best for the team..
and We like Barkley. We would like him to be a Giant for life. Which is NO DIFFERENT that what Barkley has been saying repeatedly.
really guys making a huge deal out of nothing..
You guys would have lost your wig with George Steinbrenner.
I hate all the fans and writers that constantly wax poetically about George Steinbrenner and how this would never happen when he owned the team, etc. The reality is for a significant portion in the middle of his ownership, his interjections and rash decisions heavily contributed to the Yankees not making the post season for a decade and a half. And the dynasty that followed that drought was the direct result of Steinbrenner being suspended and Michael essentially running the franchise, or at least the baseball side of the franchise.
Steinbrenner was mostly terrible as an owner. Even the guys who loved him, hated him. If you lived through the Bronx Zoo years, that makes sense to you.
Spot on Matt!! A total idiot. It's no coincidence that both WS teams were built while he was suspended.
I love that Steinbrenner treated owning a team as more than a business. Sports are competitive and the point is to win. He immediately viewed the franchise as requiring re-investment into it in order to win. More owners need to take that approach. The problem was he was irrational and rash and made a lot of poor decisions to try to reach that goal. The goal was valid, but the path toward was often damaged. And, he was insufferable.
People have the weeping Steinbrenner of the late 80s as if that was who he was for the previous 20 years. That was not him.
"If Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll can make it work, I'd be in favor of bringing him back. We haven't closed the door."
IMHO it would be better worded something more like: "That's up to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. I'd personally love to see OBJ back."
And maybe it was, with Duggan choosing different phrasing for his tweet.
Really??? Then you need to go get help for your anger issues. JFC he didn’t say go get obj or anything. He was asked and he answered no big deal here nothing to get y’all’s panties in a bunch. It would also help if the beats tweeted the whole comment not just the part to get clicks
Oh bullshit. Some you people are just so negative. So what? He likes Beckham and Barkley. He is the freaking owner. He is allowed to make comments. He is a fan on top of being the owner. Schoen is running the show now.
Advice to all - dismiss what he says. Like any other fan, he is allowed to say he likes certain players.
Mara needs to just STFU and let Daboll and JS handle the roster.
Of course he's the multi-billionaire that owns the team and can say whatever the F he wants....so there's that.
I know I would be offering questions and opinions often were I the owner of the team
Don’t know why it bothers you. He s made bad decisions the last decade, mostly based in loyalty, but that s a different issue
I just think he’s not going to stand in the way of players the coach and GM want.
Outraged I tell you!
Matter of opinion. I am tired of the grousing.
Sheesh
The big news here is that the Giants are planning on having Saquon play on the tag, which is exactly what they should be doing. No long term contract for Barkley. Excellent
The big news here is that the Giants are planning on having Saquon play on the tag, which is exactly what they should be doing. No long term contract for Barkley. Excellent
Sure they’re planning on SB playing on the tag. It’s a negotiating ploy, imv..They have until mid July to firm up a deal. Things can and often do, change on a dime. And yes, he plays on the tag if no agreement is reached
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
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And see literally every owner talk about personnel:
#Patriots owner Robert Kraft, at the Annual League Meeting: “I thought changes needed to be made (after last season).”
On Mac Jones: “I’m a big fan of Mac. … We experimented with some things last year that didn’t work. We made changed to put him in position to excel.”
Those examples don't compromise negotiating position. The first is a vague comment about the roster and the second is about a player under contract who is clearly the starter.
Compromise negotiating position? Come on. Play it out in your head. How does it go?
Agent: well your owner said he wants Saquon to be a Giant for life…..
Schoen: Did he really? Damn. You got me. How much do you want?
What Mara said was completely inconsequential. It means nothing. This is why you read about the Giants having a negative fan base. Stuff like this. Gimme a break.
What should he have said? No comment?
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
Ultimately though, whether he does or doesn't, there is literally nothing we can do about him.
With gettleman, getting fired was always a possibility.
My view at the time was in my personal and professional dealings, I don't often find sloppy, unprepared, unprofessional communicators to be crips, prepared, professional operators.
So in my view, let's not assume Mara is going to go eff it up by getting his nose in it. But let's also not discount the possibility he has the capacity to, based on recent history.
Sorry, I discount it completely. There’s no recent history since Schoen became the man. I believe Schoen is in COMPLETE control of these decisions, until we learn otherwise
I think it's silly to assume it's always the other guys who are the cause. I think John Mara is a guy who has to be managed.
I bet Schoen can manage him, but my guess is it's an active assignment.