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Why does John Mara feel the need to comment on personnel?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2023 3:19 pm
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John Mara says Giants haven’t closed the door on Odell Beckham Jr. Says he’s in favor of signing him back if Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll can make it work
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From friends  
Go Giants : 3/27/2023 6:50 pm : link
Who know John Mara personally, we would have a hard time imagining the enormity of his ego and how completely out of touch he is with the “little” people/regular working people who do not own NFL franchises and his resulting private disregard for them.
RE: From friends  
BigBlueShock : 3/27/2023 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16076530 Go Giants said:
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Who know John Mara personally, we would have a hard time imagining the enormity of his ego and how completely out of touch he is with the “little” people/regular working people who do not own NFL franchises and his resulting private disregard for them.

Yeah I’m calling bullshit. Say what you want about Mara. He’s certainly made his share of mistakes. And possibly runs his mouth too much if that upsets you. But I have never, and I mean never heard a bad word about how he treats people. In fact, I’ve always heard the exact opposite. Fans laugh at the “first class organization” thing because they are losing. But guess what? That reputation is not based on fans opinions, it’s based on everyone, at all levels that have worked for the team.
RE: I wish we knew  
Red Right Hand : 3/27/2023 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16076448 give66 said:
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John Maras wonderlich score.
As a Business Lawyer who graduated Fordham, I'd assume it was pretty fucking high.
RE: I would rather he deferred that question to Joe Schoen. This is how he  
Red Right Hand : 3/27/2023 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16076481 Blue21 said:
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gets himself in trouble.
In trouble how? With who?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/27/2023 7:02 pm : link
Yes, Mara comes across as a good dude. Football whiz? Perhaps not, but I've never heard a bad word about the Maras as people.
RE: I wish we knew  
BigBlueShock : 3/27/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16076448 give66 said:
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John Maras wonderlich score.

Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….
RE: From friends  
Red Right Hand : 3/27/2023 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16076530 Go Giants said:
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Who know John Mara personally, we would have a hard time imagining the enormity of his ego and how completely out of touch he is with the “little” people/regular working people who do not own NFL franchises and his resulting private disregard for them.
Total fucking lies about a man to personally read every single letter written to him by any random pissed off fan. Total bullshit. Glad we finally had someone like you to completely discredit one side of this discussion and lay it to rest. Clearly some people just hate the guy and are willing to just make shit up out of whole cloth.
RE: He can't help himself  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/27/2023 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16076248 Optimus-NY said:
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If you gave him truth serum, he still wants to run the entire show.

If you gave him truth serum, I think it would be a lot like what we already see.

He just talks too much in general. I know Wellington was pre-social media for the most part, but I have a hard time imagining him being quoted by beats on personnel matters with any sort of regularity.
Sad  
Colin@gbn : 3/27/2023 7:20 pm : link
Quick question. Did anybody here actually read what Mara had to say. Anybody! And did anybody take a couple of minutes, ponder what he said, and tried to figure out what the message was. Doubt it because that's not the BBI way where it appears to be de riguer to launch to one's default position and start ranting.

John Mara is the CEO of a 5-billion dollar franchise and he just doesn't go into a presser and start babbling. In fact this all sounded very orchestrated. Indeed, it seems pretty clear that Mara was sending Odell and his people a message that the Giants are still interested, but only at their price such that if in the end nobody gives him his price give us a call.

The message to Saquon might be a little more complicated in that we want him to be a Giant for life BUT again we aren't going to break the bank to do it so has some tough choices to make.
Mara has spoken much less in fairness  
Sean : 3/27/2023 7:30 pm : link
There was no preseason or end of season press conference for the 2022 season. These were done *every* year prior as long as I can remember. That feels like a big deal.
RE: From friends  
aimrocky : 3/27/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16076530 Go Giants said:
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Who know John Mara personally, we would have a hard time imagining the enormity of his ego and how completely out of touch he is with the “little” people/regular working people who do not own NFL franchises and his resulting private disregard for them.


I can’t see how this is true. I have a story that I’m hesitant to share because of its personal nature but it portrays the heads of the Mara family as nothing but class…

The weekend that Ann Mara fell ill, my Grandmother was also in the ER. Our two families spent a weekend together in the ER waiting room under distress. The morning that my Grandmother passed away, John, Chris, Frank and their sisters and wives came to my Grandmothers room to pass along their condolences. It was an incredibly sincere gesture.

Ann Mara passed away shortly after my Grandmother…. Several months later we ran into the Mara family at a restaurant in Westchester. My Uncle went over to the table and passed along condolences from our family. They remembered us and were thankful for returning the gesture. It was an incredibly difficult time for both families.
Mealy Mouth will never  
Silver Spoon : 3/27/2023 7:32 pm : link
totally give up running football ops. As long as he keeps his grubby hands involved, the longer it will take to succeed.
This is tough crowd to please  
BigBluDawg : 3/27/2023 7:35 pm : link
Can you imagine yourself being an owner of team and fans thinking you should stfu about the team you own?? Or people telling Eric he should stfu about BBI??

I pretty sure all owners talk, kind of one of the perks of the job. Even Kraft spoke today and said he got a text from a rapper that Lamar Jackson wants to play for the patriots. We just hear Mara’s quotes more because that’s the team we follow.
RE: He owns the team  
noro9 : 3/27/2023 8:37 pm : link
In comment 16076390 Chip said:
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He can say anything he damn well pleases and this board will complain no matter what. BBI will want to draft Rosen, Darnold,Haskins, and love the signings of Golladay and Solder until they don't work out. I will admit I liked the signing of Golladay. Can't wait for the draft so we can bitch some more.

He doesn't own the team. His family owns half the team.
RE: RE: I wish we knew  
give66 : 3/27/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16076539 BigBlueShock said:
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….


Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole
RE: RE: From friends  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/27/2023 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16076561 aimrocky said:
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In comment 16076530 Go Giants said:


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Who know John Mara personally, we would have a hard time imagining the enormity of his ego and how completely out of touch he is with the “little” people/regular working people who do not own NFL franchises and his resulting private disregard for them.



I can’t see how this is true. I have a story that I’m hesitant to share because of its personal nature but it portrays the heads of the Mara family as nothing but class…

The weekend that Ann Mara fell ill, my Grandmother was also in the ER. Our two families spent a weekend together in the ER waiting room under distress. The morning that my Grandmother passed away, John, Chris, Frank and their sisters and wives came to my Grandmothers room to pass along their condolences. It was an incredibly sincere gesture.

Ann Mara passed away shortly after my Grandmother…. Several months later we ran into the Mara family at a restaurant in Westchester. My Uncle went over to the table and passed along condolences from our family. They remembered us and were thankful for returning the gesture. It was an incredibly difficult time for both families.


Thanks for sharing that.
I can't stand that he does this  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/27/2023 9:38 pm : link
The more success the team has the more I think we'll see this. I think the idea that things improved after veering away from "the Giants way" will not sit well with the boss long term
Owners own  
bc4life : 3/27/2023 9:44 pm : link
managers manage. You hired a GM, stay in your own lane.

I think Mara's mouth may part of the reason for the Flores debacle.
Eric, it comes off to me as Mara's is attempting to  
Rory : 3/27/2023 10:18 pm : link
appease to all the garbage fair weather Giants fans whining that we haven't made any big moves yet.

Trying to keep the optics in good standing

OBJ is a lazy fans excuse to complain about the Giants
RE: RE: I wish we knew  
steve in ky : 3/27/2023 10:26 pm : link
In comment 16076539 BigBlueShock said:
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….


LOL, I'm only kidding here and nothing personal but this reminds me of this picture.

owners commenting is damned if you do damned if you dont  
Eric on Li : 3/27/2023 10:37 pm : link
the wilpons and dolan avoided the media and rightfully got slammed for not answering when they made transparently awful decisions, some so bad it had them in court.

i think snyder has rightfully gotten slammed for a decade of not commenting publicly and jones rightfully deserves to get slammed for 30 years of self-titling himself as gm and publicly stating how important that is to him to not just win but win by being gm. i think it all just goes with the territory, like it or not the owners are central figures in the success or failures of their teams.

the link below is a fun blast from the distant past of april 2021 bylined by 3 pretty reputable writers. at the end of the day if the owner hires a gm/coach who win everything they did looks smart and if they hire people who lose they look dumb.
Paranoia, mismanagement and office politics: Inside the Eagles’ downfall under Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman - ( New Window )
Eric, 100% agreed  
UConn4523 : 3/27/2023 10:58 pm : link
this is the type of stuff that people complain about when they are bored. This was the most posted on thread of the day, and by a wide margin.
I have little desire to spend more time than I have but it is easy to  
steve in ky : 3/27/2023 11:20 pm : link
Find quotes from other owners regarding personnel. It really isn't something unique to John Mara and the Giants and the majority of owners likely do the same from time to time depending on whatever circumstances their team is dealing with that they then feel inclined to comment.

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Rooney did say he expects backup quarterback Mitch Trubisky to be with the team next season.

"I expect Mitch will be on the roster next year and be an effective backup if we need him," he said. "I think he showed that he can be that. We can win with him."


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New York Jets owner Woody Johnson was left feeling "excited and satisfied" about the prospect of acquiring Aaron Rodgers in a trade with the Green Bay Packers following their meeting with the four-time MVP this week, according to one report.


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Bengals owner Mike Brown discussed Joe Burrow with sportscaster Dan Hoard in an interview that aired on 700WLW before the game Sunday night, one day after Burrow said he wants to stay in Cincinnati for the duration of his career.

Brown agreed Burrow is one of the best leaders the franchise has ever had. “That’s obvious,” he said.

“He is an exemplary leader,” Brown continued. “He’s very conscious of how he goes about maintaining his position, and he does a swell job of it. Everyone in this building is conscious of him and his role.”

Burrow is playing this season in the third year of his rookie contract signed after he was picked by the Bengals first overall in 2020 NFL Draft. The four-year deal guarantees him $36 million.

Hoard asked about Burrow’s contract situation going forward.

“He’s going to have a long career. We certainly want it to be here, and I think his window will extend over his whole career. But there is the fact that, when you don’t have to pay the quarterback some extraordinary amount, that leaves room to pay other players more, and therefore you can keep more players that are good players. [...]It’s Mahomes and others of that like, they seem to make it go even after they’ve gotten their payday.”
RE: RE: Mara Should Restrict His Comments  
bluefin : 3/28/2023 6:39 am : link
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To soft drink giveaways and other topics commensurate with his knowledge and skills.






This type of thread should be an NFT.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/28/2023 7:18 am : link
Whining threads about an owners comments about HIS team, is whining at its pinnacle. Sure, he signs the checks, but that’s it. It should be obvious that he has (rightfully) allowed Schoen to run the show. Period. Exclamation point!

Get a grip and let’s discuss important matters concerning the team.
RE: This type of thread should be an NFT.  
mfsd : 3/28/2023 7:27 am : link
In comment 16076713 Big Blue '56 said:
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Whining threads about an owners comments about HIS team, is whining at its pinnacle. Sure, he signs the checks, but that’s it. It should be obvious that he has (rightfully) allowed Schoen to run the show. Period. Exclamation point!

Get a grip and let’s discuss important matters concerning the team.


If you take a step back and think about it, the fact this seems to be the biggest thing a lot of fans are in a twist over right now is a sign the org is actually in pretty good shape. No drama regarding players, coaches, pissed off free agents, who we may or may not trade for, etc.

As I think I posted earlier in thread, generally I’d prefer not to hear from Mara that much, but certainly not something to get wound up over.
RE: RE: This type of thread should be an NFT.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/28/2023 7:36 am : link
In comment 16076720 mfsd said:
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Whining threads about an owners comments about HIS team, is whining at its pinnacle. Sure, he signs the checks, but that’s it. It should be obvious that he has (rightfully) allowed Schoen to run the show. Period. Exclamation point!

Get a grip and let’s discuss important matters concerning the team.



If you take a step back and think about it, the fact this seems to be the biggest thing a lot of fans are in a twist over right now is a sign the org is actually in pretty good shape. No drama regarding players, coaches, pissed off free agents, who we may or may not trade for, etc.

As I think I posted earlier in thread, generally I’d prefer not to hear from Mara that much, but certainly not something to get wound up over.


As with DJ, some here who will never give Mara any props, will continue to nit pick and it is a NIT…

Schoen signed last year and this year affordable quality depth with MANY being 1 year deals. Not a peep from Mara.

He signed some potential quality starters to non-cap breaking contracts. Not a peep from Mara.

Whether you think DJ is our QB moving forward, he was fine with the contract given to a guy Daboll AND Schoen believed was the answer moving forward, despite the insanity of what QBs are making relative to the bite out of the cap. Not a peep from Mara (aside from last year’s truism that we did all we could to screw up DJ).

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Gatorade Dunk : 3/28/2023 8:17 am : link
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….



Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole

You're. As in, "you're definitely lazy, and that probably makes you the 'ahole'."
With Schoen  
UConn4523 : 3/28/2023 9:12 am : link
pulling Barkley’s offer this thread is even funnier. Didn’t Mara recently say he wants Barkley to be a Giant for life?
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give66 : 3/28/2023 9:22 am : link
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….



Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole


You're. As in, "you're definitely lazy, and that probably makes you the 'ahole'."


Lol. You've been trolled
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give66 : 3/28/2023 9:23 am : link
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….



Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole


You're. As in, "you're definitely lazy, and that probably makes you the 'ahole'."



Lol. You've been trolled


Knew I would out some grammar nazis
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BigBlueShock : 3/28/2023 9:32 am : link
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….



Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole

If you’re going to rip on someone else’s intelligence you may want to pick a different time to be “lazy”. And unintelligent.
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give66 : 3/28/2023 9:44 am : link
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John Maras wonderlich score.


Ummm, it’s WONDERLIC, Einstein….



Too lazy to look up spelling. Your an ahole


If you’re going to rip on someone else’s intelligence you may want to pick a different time to be “lazy”. And unintelligent.

Actually might be the opposite

Science: Lazy people are likely to be smarter, more successful, and better employees. Who knew? - ( New Window )
When I think of the criticism levied against ownership...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/28/2023 9:58 am : link
I wonder if people reflect at all on their own lives. One can easily misattribute the underlying factors that led to that success and develop an over-reliance upon those factors in the short-term future.

Can we not understand why the Giants would have felt like they had a very successful org as late as 2016? Winners of 2 of the previous 9 Super Bowls? In spite of the years of floundering it would be easy to think the solution was within the grasp of the org that produced those championships.

As they tried to re-establish their winning ways the fans punished them severely for the perceived slight of Eli, reinforcing the belief that those who contributed to the previous success needed to be a part of future solutions.

I think the Maras have been very humbled by the last decade of football and their confidence now relies NOT on anything that worked prior to 2022.

These comments don't really hurt if they've truly turned to JS and BD for player/personnel decisions. I bet they have.
RE: Who gives a fuck  
BlueVinnie : 3/28/2023 10:45 am : link
In comment 16076447 Big Blue '56 said:
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what Mara says? It’s his team, he can say whatever he wants to. That said, Schoen will make the decision. Period.

Sheesh

I'm not so sure about that. Do I think Mara is mandating any personal decisions, no. However, I have no doubt he is making it clear to Schoen what his preferences are in regards to certain players. I could certainly envision Mara having a discussion with Jones along the lines of "Daniel & Saquon are the faces of this franchise, I hope you can find a way to keep both of them...but it's your call". That weighs on the mind of the supposed decision maker.
Can't win as an owner, and I'm just as guilty as anyone of being  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/28/2023 10:53 am : link
annoyed by Mara.

When he says anything he gets crushed for meddling. When he says nothing, and things aren't going well, people will complain that he doesn't 'take accountability' for the failure or is not hands on enough to change the course.
@bigblueshock  
Go Giants : 3/28/2023 10:57 am : link
I am not making anything up. Public perceptions do not always align with how people actually are.
What is the problem with what Mara said above?  
ThomasG : 3/28/2023 10:59 am : link
Especially since he openly defers judgment to the two guys in charge.
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section125 : 3/28/2023 11:00 am : link
In comment 16076921 BlueVinnie said:
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what Mara says? It’s his team, he can say whatever he wants to. That said, Schoen will make the decision. Period.

Sheesh


I'm not so sure about that. Do I think Mara is mandating any personal decisions, no. However, I have no doubt he is making it clear to Schoen what his preferences are in regards to certain players. I could certainly envision Mara having a discussion with Jones along the lines of "Daniel & Saquon are the faces of this franchise, I hope you can find a way to keep both of them...but it's your call". That weighs on the mind of the supposed decision maker.


What Mara says in public has already been talked about in the office with Schoen, et al.
RE: @bigblueshock  
BigBlueShock : 3/28/2023 11:28 am : link
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I am not making anything up. Public perceptions do not always align with how people actually are.

It’s not public perception. It literally comes from the long list of people hat have worked in the organization over many years. Never heard ONCE that Mara treats anyone poorly or looks down on people not as fortunate as him.

So yes, you’re making shit up. Those little “friends” you have dancing around in your head.
A few more quotes  
DieHard : 3/28/2023 11:51 am : link
“Our message to [Barkley] is still very much, ‘We want you back. I want you to be one of the leaders of this team. I want you to be one of the faces of this franchise,’” Mara said. “But there’s a limit as to how far we can go. We have to build a team around you. We’ve gone just about as far as we can.”

“There’s no outstanding offer right now,” Schoen said. “Once we put the franchise tag on him, we stepped back. We knew that throughout the negotiation that if there was a time that we can’t come to an agreement, we’re going to go to the franchise tag. And that’s what we did."

Doesn't sound like Mara is forcing anything on Schoen. If anything, he's parroting Schoen's approach (we want to have him, but we have to be fiscally smart about it). A far cry from the last GM throwing big money at mediocre players. Either Mara doesn't have as much input as some think, or Schoen has been given the leeway to do things his way. Either way, isn't that a good thing?

It's easy to overanalyze statements if you try hard enough. Even Belichick fell prey to it yesterday in his presser when he was asked why Patriots fans should have faith moving forward and he answered, "The last 25 years." This from the man who supposedly refuses to look backward and made "We're on to Cincinnati" a catch phrase! Further proof he's now living in the past and he's lost it! (Or maybe it means next to nothing.)

I like to think that if the Giants keep winning, the Mara over-analysis will die down a bit. Maybe I'm being unrealistic, though.
@bigblueshock  
Go Giants : 3/28/2023 1:10 pm : link
I am not making anything up. Public perceptions do not always align with how people actually are.
Fairly anodyne comments  
Blueworm : 3/28/2023 1:10 pm : link
But we need something to post about.
Shock-  
Go Giants : 3/28/2023 1:12 pm : link
Wow you’re a douchebag. Im sorry that the reality of the Mara family disappoints you.
RE: RE: RE: Agree that people need to calm down  
widmerseyebrow : 3/28/2023 3:36 pm : link
In comment 16076465 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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Agent: well your owner said he wants Saquon to be a Giant for life…..


I mean if you're going to dumb it down like that of course it's going to sound absurd.

I had my fill of fan rationalizations from 2012-2022, so I'll be critical when I think it's warranted. Like Eric said, if John wants to talk like Jerry Jones to the press, then just go ahead and become a GM owner and save some money
paying Schoen.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2023 7:35 pm : link
This afternoon alone...I read Kraft opine on a ton of Patriots stuff & Arthur Blank talk @ length about LJax.

Listen, I wish Mara would STFU. But based on what I'm seeing from other owners, Mara is the norm, not the exception.
I agree  
chitt17 : 3/28/2023 7:42 pm : link
Mara just needs to shut his mouth.
And let is GM that he finally got right do his job.
I agree  
chitt17 : 3/28/2023 7:43 pm : link
Mara just needs to shut his mouth.
And let the GM that he finally got right do his job.
RE: Shock-  
Optimus-NY : 3/28/2023 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16077075 Go Giants said:
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Wow you’re a douchebag. Im sorry that the reality of the Mara family disappoints you.


Don't waste your breath on BigBlueDouchebag Go Deep. He's one of the worst posters on this board.
RE: Is it a direct quote?  
HBart : 3/30/2023 8:07 am : link
In comment 16076393 HBart said:
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The same words in a different order are pretty innocuous, eg

"If Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll can make it work, I'd be in favor of bringing him back. We haven't closed the door."

IMHO it would be better worded something more like: "That's up to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. I'd personally love to see OBJ back."

And maybe it was, with Duggan choosing different phrasing for his tweet.



From The Athletic:

“We certainly haven’t closed that door,” Mara said at the NFL owners meetings. “That’s going to be up to (general manager Joe Schoen) and (coach Brian Daboll). I certainly would be in favor of that if they can make it work, but that’s always the trick.”

https://theathletic.com/4355038/2023/03/28/giants-odell-beckham-darren-waller/

Crappy paraphrasing by Duggan in his tweet, and precisely the right thing to say.
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