It seems like they want him to develop at LG. He jumped around in college so I don't think they want to stunt his development by doing the same to him early in his pro career.
I would expect at least 2 more players to be added to the mix at IOL through FA and the draft.
Ezeudu was cross trained at guard as well as tackle a year ago(he had experience at both positions at UNC).
Bredeson obviously has been cross trained at center , Lemieux has as well although I'm not sure to what extent(I think it was limited reps under Judge). I'm not sure about Anderson.
How is he going to do when he has to snap and have his head on a swivel?
In a very small sample, he did look decent there in camp according to reports. That said, I don't think Lemieux is viewed as anything other than depth at the 3 interior OL positions. With the right additions, he could also be pushed out. But, right now, he is probably a primary backup.
I think the best Bredeson looked last summer was his time at OC. I'm curious to see more of him there, with an eye on possible replacements.
I think the omission of Ezeudu has more to do with him being penciled in at LG than what they think of his ability at OC.
does that leave Ezeudu as the only real option at guard, for now? Are Anderson, Davis and Kindley anything more than bodies? Gotta be drafting 1 or 2 IOL
Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Hopefully some veteran IOL shake loose elsewhere as well. I'm not in love with relying on 2 year guys who have injury concerns. Even if Bredeson can play C you need a viable backup.
Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
I'm kind of banking on that. I figured starters right now would be:
Thomas-Ezeudu-Bredeson-Glowinski-Neal
It's funny more than a few people commented how interesting Bredeson looked at Center last year in limited snaps. If the plan was to go to Bredeson at Ceneter... Based on the issues we had with Feliciano I'm wondering why they didn't pull the trigger earlier, especially when Feliciano went down last year. It makes me question whether Bredeson is really the plan there.
Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Maybe most important, he's had time to familiarize with pass pro schemes and he'll be able to execute better if the mental part of it is more nimble.
the coaching staff really liked Lemieux from everything I read last offseason. He was running with the 1s before he went down to injury. The only extended action we've seen from him was during his rookie year. He's been knocked out each season since..to make snap judgements simply off his rookie year is really ridiculous considering the start Thomas got off to in NY, and the fact that most(myself included) expect substantial improvement from Neal in year 2.
I agree. But, one or both may ultimately be the backup/depth. I think the OC to open the season is not yet on the roster. I think I'm hoping he will be drafted, but I trust Schoen.
Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Mack Brown said in an interview that he thinks he'd be a great NFL center. That's kind of where that started. The Giants have given absolutely zero indication of trying him there though, so this is consistent with that.
An Injury Settlement is usually based on the amount of time that the team and player agree the player will be unable to play. So, for example, if the player is only expected to miss the first month of the season, the team and player will usually agree to a settlement of 4/17ths of the player's scheduled base salary.
I am not certain what would the issue with be with an injury settlement in late December. The amount of money would be similar if he were placed on IR.
Besides if the Giants wanted to drop Lemieux they could have and yet chose not to.
Overview
Guard prospect with good size and foot quickness. He has toughness in his field demeanor, too. Anderson's two biggest issues are his core strength and his lack of control. He needs to stay within himself and attack with a more workman-like attitude rather than rushing. He has a tendency to over-step his lateral blocks and open the back door for quick losses, but he also has lateral reactive athleticism that should benefit him if bad habits are coached out of him. His hand placement and hand strength improve his chances as a base blocker but true two-gappers have a tendency to gain control and put him in a position to hang on through shed phase. He's a backup-caliber guard who could see time as a low-end starter at some point.
Schmitz, Avila, Tippman and Mauch are all considered top 60 prospects by Brugler who is well connected to NFL personnel guys.
Schmitz kicked ass st the week of Senior Bowl practices and is a potential first round draft choice.
Sy is not complementary about a first or second round value on Centers in this draft
One man's opinion. And the real question is, is there a guy they can sign who would be better than a third round pic? It's not like there's a glut of starting centers out there waiting for the Giants' call.
however Schoen is not going to come right out and say we're going to draft someone. That said, Bredeson might be a bridge until a rookie would be ready anyway
Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Mack Brown said in an interview that he thinks he'd be a great NFL center. That's kind of where that started. The Giants have given absolutely zero indication of trying him there though, so this is consistent with that.
Follow the level of investment. If a player is a top 3 round pick he will be given ample opportunities to earn a starting job. They are less likely to draft over that guy at least for 2 years. Rookie year is often a learning year. Often 2nd year you can begin to really get a guage on a player.
Thomas - top 4 pick
Ezeudu- high 3rd rd pick
Bredeson- Should be better than Feliciano and has looked decent wherever he has played for us.
Glowinski- 20M investment and Schoen first big$$$ signing.
Neal- top 7 pick
*4 of 5 spots are a decent to high level investment. Those spots are probably not getting drafted over at least not this year.
Don't let the smoke get in your eyes.
Everything communicated is suspect. The only thing that matters are the actions (i.e. FA signings and/or drafted players).
RE: Bill T: BW was referring to Lemieux, not Ezeudu.
I think Bredeson is being slept on by too many people here. He filled in admirably at LG, and can certainly player Center. 4th draft pick who has started 46 games in the NFL and is just 25 years old.
He may not have the range of an elite pulling Center, but he’s more than capable of anchoring against larger D-Lineman. He will be on the line this year somewhere IMO
RE: RE: Bill T: BW was referring to Lemieux, not Ezeudu.
Still BS. What? This board wouldn’t know? Not anyone but him. Sure.
Hey idiot- I’ve had information especially regarding this subject weeks before (including two training camps ago when he hurt his knew)it was “published” so shut up, read, learn and be appreciative.
RE: RE: RE: Bill T: BW was referring to Lemieux, not Ezeudu.
Still BS. What? This board wouldn’t know? Not anyone but him. Sure.
Hey idiot- I’ve had information especially regarding this subject weeks before (including two training camps ago when he hurt his knew)it was “published” so shut up, read, learn and be appreciative.
Fuck off asshole. They had him as the starting LG in training camp last year. You know shit.
Beginning of training camp and December after the guy constantly got hurt, wasn’t drafted by this regime and they picked his replacement in the third round of their first draft are two totally different things.
I wouldn’t expect you to have the IQ to be able to comprehend all this based on the majority of your posts.
Beginning of training camp and December after the guy constantly got hurt, wasn’t drafted by this regime and they picked his replacement in the third round of their first draft are two totally different things.
I wouldn’t expect you to have the IQ to be able to comprehend all this based on the majority of your posts.
If they wanted him gone then. Why didn’t they release him now.
No reason to waive him at this point. The offseason roster has room for 37 extra bodies, and Lemieux's contract didn't call for any roster bonus money in March. His dead money hit ($87K) is the same whether he's waived now or in August.
The front office and coaching staff may or may not think Shane Lemieux has a future with the Giants. Either way, it costs nothing to keep him around until his roster spot is needed. Also, if they truly are done with him, the split is cleaner if he passes a physical before being waived.
I disagree. Depending on how the draft falls, it is quite possible that BPA will be an OL. The talent gap between the Giants and the perennial contenders is still quite noticeable. We need to acquire as much talent as possible.
If they wanted him gone then. Why didn’t they release him now.
No reason to waive him at this point. The offseason roster has room for 37 extra bodies, and Lemieux's contract didn't call for any roster bonus money in March. His dead money hit ($87K) is the same whether he's waived now or in August.
The front office and coaching staff may or may not think Shane Lemieux has a future with the Giants. Either way, it costs nothing to keep him around until his roster spot is needed. Also, if they truly are done with him, the split is cleaner if he passes a physical before being waived.
+1,000,000
But that’s the difference between posters like BBB and BillT
I would expect at least 2 more players to be added to the mix at IOL through FA and the draft.
Bredeson obviously has been cross trained at center , Lemieux has as well although I'm not sure to what extent(I think it was limited reps under Judge). I'm not sure about Anderson.
Ive been saying for a while. They probably like Bredsen.
I think the best Bredeson looked last summer was his time at OC. I'm curious to see more of him there, with an eye on possible replacements.
I think the omission of Ezeudu has more to do with him being penciled in at LG than what they think of his ability at OC.
Schoen is just adding him as an option so we don’t look desperate.
Hopefully some veteran IOL shake loose elsewhere as well. I'm not in love with relying on 2 year guys who have injury concerns. Even if Bredeson can play C you need a viable backup.
I'm kind of banking on that. I figured starters right now would be:
Thomas-Ezeudu-Bredeson-Glowinski-Neal
It's funny more than a few people commented how interesting Bredeson looked at Center last year in limited snaps. If the plan was to go to Bredeson at Ceneter... Based on the issues we had with Feliciano I'm wondering why they didn't pull the trigger earlier, especially when Feliciano went down last year. It makes me question whether Bredeson is really the plan there.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Maybe most important, he's had time to familiarize with pass pro schemes and he'll be able to execute better if the mental part of it is more nimble.
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Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Mack Brown said in an interview that he thinks he'd be a great NFL center. That's kind of where that started. The Giants have given absolutely zero indication of trying him there though, so this is consistent with that.
Schoen is just adding him as an option so we don’t look desperate.
Didn't know that. Thanks for the information.
Schoen is just adding him as an option so we don’t look desperate.
Where did you here this?
An Injury Settlement is usually based on the amount of time that the team and player agree the player will be unable to play. So, for example, if the player is only expected to miss the first month of the season, the team and player will usually agree to a settlement of 4/17ths of the player's scheduled base salary.
I am not certain what would the issue with be with an injury settlement in late December. The amount of money would be similar if he were placed on IR.
Besides if the Giants wanted to drop Lemieux they could have and yet chose not to.
I don't think Jack Anderson is either.
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Overview
Guard prospect with good size and foot quickness. He has toughness in his field demeanor, too. Anderson's two biggest issues are his core strength and his lack of control. He needs to stay within himself and attack with a more workman-like attitude rather than rushing. He has a tendency to over-step his lateral blocks and open the back door for quick losses, but he also has lateral reactive athleticism that should benefit him if bad habits are coached out of him. His hand placement and hand strength improve his chances as a base blocker but true two-gappers have a tendency to gain control and put him in a position to hang on through shed phase. He's a backup-caliber guard who could see time as a low-end starter at some point.
Sy is not complementary about a first or second round value on Centers in this draft
Schoen is just adding him as an option so we don’t look desperate.
Call BS on this. Source or GTFO.
No chance they were cutting the 67th player in the draft who they gushed about getting.
Schmitz kicked ass st the week of Senior Bowl practices and is a potential first round draft choice.
This ^^
Schoen has been so methodical, I find it hard to believe he doesn't have a plan for center
Yeah, it's not the same front-office group. And I'm probably suffering from PTSD. But I'm concerned just the same.
Sy is not complementary about a first or second round value on Centers in this draft
One man's opinion. And the real question is, is there a guy they can sign who would be better than a third round pic? It's not like there's a glut of starting centers out there waiting for the Giants' call.
I think it healthy hes going to start at OG. If not for the late season neck injury I think he's the starter down the stretch.
Yeah, it's not the same front-office group. And I'm probably suffering from PTSD. But I'm concerned just the same.
They’ll end up drafting 2-3 guys and bringing in solid vets that are cap casualties.
then do whatever it takes to get the best C possible in round 2
Screw it let's get nuts
He ddn't say that. He said that he didn't see any of them as first-round value.
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Schoen will expect draft picks to contribute more this season.
Betting odds on this. I didn't give much credence to Ezeudu at C, dunno where that originated, unless he played a few games there at UNC. I hope the neck (if that's what it was) is fully healed and not susceptible to stuff.
Mack Brown said in an interview that he thinks he'd be a great NFL center. That's kind of where that started. The Giants have given absolutely zero indication of trying him there though, so this is consistent with that.
Follow the level of investment. If a player is a top 3 round pick he will be given ample opportunities to earn a starting job. They are less likely to draft over that guy at least for 2 years. Rookie year is often a learning year. Often 2nd year you can begin to really get a guage on a player.
Thomas - top 4 pick
Ezeudu- high 3rd rd pick
Bredeson- Should be better than Feliciano and has looked decent wherever he has played for us.
Glowinski- 20M investment and Schoen first big$$$ signing.
Neal- top 7 pick
*4 of 5 spots are a decent to high level investment. Those spots are probably not getting drafted over at least not this year.
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He has no ability to anchor but he's good in space for the scheme. It's Bredeson's job to lose.
Ive been saying for a while. They probably like Bredsen.
Biadasz, Humphrey we not selected in round 1 and they are doing pretty well.
They could have a vet they may bring in or a player on the roster like Bredeson that will shift positions. We have 14 linemen under contract.
The fact they let both Gates and Feliciano leave let’s you know they have a desire to upgrade the position. I have to believe they have a plan.
Everything communicated is suspect. The only thing that matters are the actions (i.e. FA signings and/or drafted players).
Still BS. What? This board wouldn’t know? Not anyone but him. Sure.
Asshat information
He may not have the range of an elite pulling Center, but he’s more than capable of anchoring against larger D-Lineman. He will be on the line this year somewhere IMO
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Still could be BS, or not.
Still BS. What? This board wouldn’t know? Not anyone but him. Sure.
Hey idiot- I’ve had information especially regarding this subject weeks before (including two training camps ago when he hurt his knew)it was “published” so shut up, read, learn and be appreciative.
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Still could be BS, or not.
Still BS. What? This board wouldn’t know? Not anyone but him. Sure.
Hey idiot- I’ve had information especially regarding this subject weeks before (including two training camps ago when he hurt his knew)it was “published” so shut up, read, learn and be appreciative.
Fuck off asshole. They had him as the starting LG in training camp last year. You know shit.
"Liking" Lemieux is fine. Relying on Lemieux would be objectively concerning.
Doesn’t work that way you obtuse moron.
Beginning of training camp and December after the guy constantly got hurt, wasn’t drafted by this regime and they picked his replacement in the third round of their first draft are two totally different things.
I wouldn’t expect you to have the IQ to be able to comprehend all this based on the majority of your posts.
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Source or GTFO.
Doesn’t work that way you obtuse moron.
Beginning of training camp and December after the guy constantly got hurt, wasn’t drafted by this regime and they picked his replacement in the third round of their first draft are two totally different things.
I wouldn’t expect you to have the IQ to be able to comprehend all this based on the majority of your posts.
Source or GTFO.
Would you relax? This is why credible folks stop sharing info.
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Source or GTFO.
Would you relax? This is why credible folks stop sharing info.
If he’s so credible, and he said it was published, then why no source. What? He doesn’t know how to use the internet.
+1 I’d be surprised and a little disappointed, but remotes are too expensive to toss.
The front office and coaching staff may or may not think Shane Lemieux has a future with the Giants. Either way, it costs nothing to keep him around until his roster spot is needed. Also, if they truly are done with him, the split is cleaner if he passes a physical before being waived.
I disagree. Depending on how the draft falls, it is quite possible that BPA will be an OL. The talent gap between the Giants and the perennial contenders is still quite noticeable. We need to acquire as much talent as possible.
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If they wanted him gone then. Why didn’t they release him now.
No reason to waive him at this point. The offseason roster has room for 37 extra bodies, and Lemieux's contract didn't call for any roster bonus money in March. His dead money hit ($87K) is the same whether he's waived now or in August.
The front office and coaching staff may or may not think Shane Lemieux has a future with the Giants. Either way, it costs nothing to keep him around until his roster spot is needed. Also, if they truly are done with him, the split is cleaner if he passes a physical before being waived.
+1,000,000
But that’s the difference between posters like BBB and BillT