He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
He has absolutely no leverage now in negotiations.
Because he is Mara’s favorite I can see a 3 year deal at close to $10 million per year with about $15 million guaranteed.
Schoen certainly didn’t shop hungry in this negotiation with Barkley.
BTW, with a deep talented RB class in the draft not surprised if they select one in round 4. Eric Gray is intriguing in the 4th.
He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
Giants have zero reason to offer him a long term deal. Thankfully he didnt take the offer during the season. Franchise him this year and if he has a good year do it again next year and let him go after that. A long term deal would be bad business. The running back market continues to plummet
he’s getting $10m no matter what and if the offer was $20m guaranteed over 3 years I’d probably turn that down too. Outside of injury Barkley will either get $12m on the tag next year too or sign a good deal as a UFA.
On the other side of the coin I’m glad Schoen pulled it. He’s worrying about the rest of the team and comfortable paying Barkley on the tag. Works for me either way.
In light of how the RB market shook out. It is news, as it is possible he had a standing offer on the table given his reputation with Mara, the locker room and fans.
Barkley is good. He seems like a good guy. He's fun to watch. I WANT him to stay with the Giants and I really will be sad to watch him play for a different team.
That said, the inner dialogue in my head keeps looking at what other RBs are getting paid, Barkley's injury history, and thinking 'oh god no.'
So, Fanboi - Resign the man!
Arm Chair GM - Let him play on the tag, draft a RB in the first three rounds and assuming he plays well as Barkley's back up, be prepared to move on next offseason.
isn't far behind Lamar Jackson right now in terms of market value and negotiation delusion.
The Giants offer IMO at this point is ridiculously over-generous. There's no way Barkley will live up to it.
They're right to pull it as no other team will offer a 3 yr deal with guarantees above what Giants have.
We don’t know anything about the giants offer outside of it being a 3 year deal and around $13.5m per. If 40% of that is guaranteed, which is in line with top of the market percentages for RBs, why would Barkley accept that when he’s making $10.1 now with a 120% increase coming if tagged again?
Unless Barkley is getting $22m guaranteed from the Giants he’s correct for turning it down from a financial standpoint.
Thought I read recently that the Giants had a 3 year offer on the table and increased the money to around $12.5 per. But, Barkley rejected the offer asking for a 4th year. Is that the basic disagreement ? If it is, it’s an easy turn down.
He will make a fair offer to get the extension done, but you are NOT going to shop his offer. If you don’t take it fine he is moving on and the offer is pulled. He is showing that he is stubborn and willing to walk away even when the player comes crawling back at a discount to what he originally offered.
He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Yup. I'm hoping he doesn't sign his tag. May as well go all the way. We shouldn't offer him any type of long-term deal. Tag-tag, AT MOST. But ideally, we cut ties now, we'll be better off for it in the long run.
Tiki Barber retired mid season as a FU to the Giants, and he’s the example for a Giant for life, over guys like Osi and Tuck just because they played elsewhere for a couple of years? LMAO
That’s what happens with an owner busy sucking up to the media so he can control the narrative. The only reason Barber gets mentioned in this context is he’s in the media.
This does SB a disservice too. “We really want you to stay, so the only thing that can prevent that is your greed”. That’s disingenuous.
Why does Mara insist on making these statements publicly? Puts the GM in a tough spot, pisses off the player for being portrayed as greedy (as is evident in the comments here), what good comes out of it actually?
If Mara was genuine, he’d say that to SB privately and keep it at that.
Barkley is good. He seems like a good guy. He's fun to watch. I WANT him to stay with the Giants and I really will be sad to watch him play for a different team.
That said, the inner dialogue in my head keeps looking at what other RBs are getting paid, Barkley's injury history, and thinking 'oh god no.'
So, Fanboi - Resign the man!
Arm Chair GM - Let him play on the tag, draft a RB in the first three rounds and assuming he plays well as Barkley's back up, be prepared to move on next offseason.
Tiki Barber retired mid season as a FU to the Giants, and he’s the example for a Giant for life, over guys like Osi and Tuck just because they played elsewhere for a couple of years? LMAO
That’s what happens with an owner busy sucking up to the media so he can control the narrative. The only reason Barber gets mentioned in this context is he’s in the media.
This does SB a disservice too. “We really want you to stay, so the only thing that can prevent that is your greed”. That’s disingenuous.
Why does Mara insist on making these statements publicly? Puts the GM in a tough spot, pisses off the player for being portrayed as greedy (as is evident in the comments here), what good comes out of it actually?
If Mara was genuine, he’d say that to SB privately and keep it at that.
Plan A: Make good offers to Barkley and Love, and if they don't take them, move on to Plan B, namely using that money to sign other players.
Plan A: Try and trade for a WR (Jeudy, etc.). But if you can't, then move to Plan B, which is trading for Waller and signing Slayton, Campbell, and Smith.
Good for him.
I completely agree that both Barkley and Love overvalued their worth in the FA market. Because of our dearth of offensive weapons, I don't see Schoen trading Barkley, so the most likely scenario is that he plays on the FT this year and leaves at the end of the season.
Yeah, agreed. I wonder what Schoen is trying to achieve. Build his cred around the league?
The upshot is good. We should never give Barkley a long term contract.
Schoen is establishing his modus operandi regarding early contract offers and what agents should expect when they turn them down.
After the Jones negotiations, it’s important for Scheon to make it clear that if a player refuses to agree to what he believes is a far offer they cannot expect a better offer down the road.
If he doesn’t draw a hard line when he can he’ll been seen as a pushover and that can’t happen.
Barkley should fire his agent and try again.
I don't know if a contract is there to be made anymore
RB market corrected sharply. The best thing for both parties may be the tag. You'd have to guarantee at least 23M for it to be worth it for Barkley and I don't see the Giants going there.
do something like 3 and 30 with 20 or a little more guaranteed. If he has another good year we probably don't wanna walk away but we also don't want his cap # at 14 next year.
... netted Carolina a late 2, 3, and 4 - and I believe he still had a year or two on his Contract. (And, while I like Barkley, McCaffrey has had the better NFL career.)
Seems like that would be the ceiling in a trade... but if the Giants did trade him a team looking to acquire him could be just as interested in Josh Jacobs or Tony Pollard who are probably just as available.
Honestly I would be surprised if someone offered the Giants a significant amount in trade given his contract status, age, and injury history.
is handing out crazy contracts this year. Whether its a hangover from Cleveland Groper signing or owners might be aware of negative economic indicators, who knows.
It is business. try negotiating with any union or person in a union. You make an offer, if they come back with something different and you don't agree, your original offer is not there. You are in essence starting from scratch, but both negotiating teams now know where the others stand.
This isn't breaking news. They pulled the offer when they tagged him 3 weeks ago.
It’s the Walmart version of tiki barber
We have the draft coming up and other contracts to potentially extend.
I would love Barkley to re-sign for 3 years and it still could happen.
Because he is Mara’s favorite I can see a 3 year deal at close to $10 million per year with about $15 million guaranteed.
Schoen certainly didn’t shop hungry in this negotiation with Barkley.
BTW, with a deep talented RB class in the draft not surprised if they select one in round 4. Eric Gray is intriguing in the 4th.
Yeah, agreed. I wonder what Schoen is trying to achieve. Build his cred around the league?
The upshot is good. We should never give Barkley a long term contract.
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
Even if that happened, which I doubt, I don't see the Giants taking Robinson.
1) interesting timing of schoen announcing this on the heels of Mara’s SQ comments
2) SQ rejecting the extension last bye week was a blessing in disguise
On the other side of the coin I’m glad Schoen pulled it. He’s worrying about the rest of the team and comfortable paying Barkley on the tag. Works for me either way.
Barkley is good. He seems like a good guy. He's fun to watch. I WANT him to stay with the Giants and I really will be sad to watch him play for a different team.
That said, the inner dialogue in my head keeps looking at what other RBs are getting paid, Barkley's injury history, and thinking 'oh god no.'
So, Fanboi - Resign the man!
Arm Chair GM - Let him play on the tag, draft a RB in the first three rounds and assuming he plays well as Barkley's back up, be prepared to move on next offseason.
1) interesting timing of schoen announcing this on the heels of Mara’s SQ comments
Or maybe it was coordinated. Offer praise before pulling the rug.
The Giants offer IMO at this point is ridiculously over-generous. There's no way Barkley will live up to it.
They're right to pull it as no other team will offer a 3 yr deal with guarantees above what Giants have.
The Giants offer IMO at this point is ridiculously over-generous. There's no way Barkley will live up to it.
They're right to pull it as no other team will offer a 3 yr deal with guarantees above what Giants have.
We don’t know anything about the giants offer outside of it being a 3 year deal and around $13.5m per. If 40% of that is guaranteed, which is in line with top of the market percentages for RBs, why would Barkley accept that when he’s making $10.1 now with a 120% increase coming if tagged again?
Unless Barkley is getting $22m guaranteed from the Giants he’s correct for turning it down from a financial standpoint.
Yup. I'm hoping he doesn't sign his tag. May as well go all the way. We shouldn't offer him any type of long-term deal. Tag-tag, AT MOST. But ideally, we cut ties now, we'll be better off for it in the long run.
That’s what happens with an owner busy sucking up to the media so he can control the narrative. The only reason Barber gets mentioned in this context is he’s in the media.
This does SB a disservice too. “We really want you to stay, so the only thing that can prevent that is your greed”. That’s disingenuous.
Why does Mara insist on making these statements publicly? Puts the GM in a tough spot, pisses off the player for being portrayed as greedy (as is evident in the comments here), what good comes out of it actually?
If Mara was genuine, he’d say that to SB privately and keep it at that.
Barkley is good. He seems like a good guy. He's fun to watch. I WANT him to stay with the Giants and I really will be sad to watch him play for a different team.
That said, the inner dialogue in my head keeps looking at what other RBs are getting paid, Barkley's injury history, and thinking 'oh god no.'
So, Fanboi - Resign the man!
Arm Chair GM - Let him play on the tag, draft a RB in the first three rounds and assuming he plays well as Barkley's back up, be prepared to move on next offseason.
My feelings exactly...
That’s what happens with an owner busy sucking up to the media so he can control the narrative. The only reason Barber gets mentioned in this context is he’s in the media.
This does SB a disservice too. “We really want you to stay, so the only thing that can prevent that is your greed”. That’s disingenuous.
Why does Mara insist on making these statements publicly? Puts the GM in a tough spot, pisses off the player for being portrayed as greedy (as is evident in the comments here), what good comes out of it actually?
If Mara was genuine, he’d say that to SB privately and keep it at that.
When did Tiki retire mis-season?
Plan A: Make good offers to Barkley and Love, and if they don't take them, move on to Plan B, namely using that money to sign other players.
Plan A: Try and trade for a WR (Jeudy, etc.). But if you can't, then move to Plan B, which is trading for Waller and signing Slayton, Campbell, and Smith.
Good for him.
I completely agree that both Barkley and Love overvalued their worth in the FA market. Because of our dearth of offensive weapons, I don't see Schoen trading Barkley, so the most likely scenario is that he plays on the FT this year and leaves at the end of the season.
What will happen: he'll get a three year deal with an out after two. Probably in the range of 12-13MM AAV. It's the Giants way.
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Yeah, agreed. I wonder what Schoen is trying to achieve. Build his cred around the league?
The upshot is good. We should never give Barkley a long term contract.
Schoen is establishing his modus operandi regarding early contract offers and what agents should expect when they turn them down.
After the Jones negotiations, it’s important for Scheon to make it clear that if a player refuses to agree to what he believes is a far offer they cannot expect a better offer down the road.
If he doesn’t draw a hard line when he can he’ll been seen as a pushover and that can’t happen.
Barkley should fire his agent and try again.
What will happen: he'll get a three year deal with an out after two. Probably in the range of 12-13MM AAV. It's the Giants way.
Agree with #1. Hope you're wrong about #2.
Some guy's beagle
Barkley in open market would get better than Sanders deal....but nowhere near 13 million per.
I would offer Barkley a 3 year deal....with out after one and two years....big bump in 3rd year.
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It’s the Walmart version of tiki barber
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This, there are others out there that would love Barkley
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That is interesting. GM Schoen getting frustrated here or sending message that Saquon is available to rest of league?
Seems like that would be the ceiling in a trade... but if the Giants did trade him a team looking to acquire him could be just as interested in Josh Jacobs or Tony Pollard who are probably just as available.
Honestly I would be surprised if someone offered the Giants a significant amount in trade given his contract status, age, and injury history.
Don't make it more complicated