He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
If that is true that is another good reason to tag him and not offer multi year deal .
Barkley would get a lot more than that IMO. Don’t let a single complete good season behind a top tier OL fool you. Sanders will regress this year in all likelihood and the gap in talent between him and Barkley (assuming both are healthy) will be obvious.
Everyone should stop looking at the yearly salary as well, and that’s all anyone is quoting in this thread.
we can’t replace his production in one offseason, there’s no long term commitment, and it gives us the right to tag again (and trade).
Barkley is much better than Sanders, IMO. That OL is dominant and is clouding perception.
The point is we may have been able to bring SB back on a multi-year deal much cheaper than any of us expected if he was allowed to test the market. The market has spoken loudly - RBs are as fungible as ever.
Further, I'm just not buying this theory that if we lost Barkley to another team, we wouldn't be able to find options to replace most of his production.
As to your point about trading SB, it's a decent one. But we probably missed the opportunity to get optimal value. The older he gets and the more work he gets, Barkley's value will depreciate even more.
we can’t replace his production in one offseason, there’s no long term commitment, and it gives us the right to tag again (and trade).
Barkley is much better than Sanders, IMO. That OL is dominant and is clouding perception.
The point is we may have been able to bring SB back on a multi-year deal much cheaper than any of us expected if he was allowed to test the market. The market has spoken loudly - RBs are as fungible as ever.
Further, I'm just not buying this theory that if we lost Barkley to another team, we wouldn't be able to find options to replace most of his production.
As to your point about trading SB, it's a decent one. But we probably missed the opportunity to get optimal value. The older he gets and the more work he gets, Barkley's value will depreciate even more.
I tend to agree - given how little money has gone out generally, and to RBs specifically, it's hard to believe that any team would have offered Barkley a monster contract that the Giants just couldn't match (if they wanted to - and if they lost him to someone offering a big deal, they'd get a compensatory pick at least).
to 25, I would seriously consider removing the tag and letting SB be a FA and using that $10 mil in cap space on other priorities.
Even if that happened, which I doubt, I don't see the Giants taking Robinson.
Taking Robinson would prevent him from dropping to Dallas, who would LOVE to draft this guy. You could then groom him to take over Barkley's spot after next year (I would hold on to SB for one more year, under the tag).
That's a win/win, in my book. Hurting your rival, and setting up for a serious Playoff Run in 2024.
The market for RBs is dropping big time. Zeke would be lucky to sign for 3M this year.
Barkley getting 10M is more than the market. I doubt any team would sign SB for 10M a year except us.
I disagree, I think numerous teams would sign him for 10 million / season.
Some of you really grossly undervalue what he brings.
Look at what Miles Sanders got
Imagine directly comparing Miles Sanders, behind a greatly superior line, to Barkley.
Barkley is a gamebreaker. 10 million is a bargain. I'm all for limiting the contract length, but other than that it's pure folly to undervalue him that badly.
I'd let Saquon know he's being released after next year
There for the taking. It’s a negotiating ploy. I don’t want them to sign a big contract with Barkley but I bet it happens.
Doubt it. This isn't just about Barkley. Schoen has to show his willingness to be firm in contract negotiations. He'll be in these battles his entire tenure.
Maybe the next offer for a particular player is accepted because they see that Schoen is willing to pull an offer if the market dictates.
He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Yup. I'm hoping he doesn't sign his tag. May as well go all the way. We shouldn't offer him any type of long-term deal. Tag-tag, AT MOST. But ideally, we cut ties now, we'll be better off for it in the long run.
No reason to cut ties now. We have the money to pay him the tag number, why would we cut ties now when he will be a valuable player next year? I'm good going year to year but I see no reason to cut bait with him right now, that would just be plain old dumb.
He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
Last I checked, RBs need their legs much more than their shoulders. I recall Hampton playing like a beast when his shoulder was practically falling off.
that tells me Barkleys pay this year isn’t a concern. Plenty of overpaid players across the league, and I’d rather overpay a cheap position than an expensive one.
mis-calculated the RB market. If they knew the offers were going to be this low, then I doubt they put the tag on Barkley.
What’s the incentive? I know all anyone cares about is money but sometimes you need to prioritize the player, the culture and the production and a 1 year deal is perfectly fine for that. You can treat every player as a line item.
mis-calculated the RB market. If they knew the offers were going to be this low, then I doubt they put the tag on Barkley.
What’s the incentive? I know all anyone cares about is money but sometimes you need to prioritize the player, the culture and the production and a 1 year deal is perfectly fine for that. You can treat every player as a line item.
I have some experience at doing this sort of thing.
I am the head of technology at my company. I have a budget (think of it like a cap). I have employees, contractors, vendors for cloud, software, etc.
I can tell you from first hand experience that they are all line items. And you have to decide which are the most valuable to you and pay those, the rest, negotiate hard or walk. You have to be very unemotional about it.
in sports where there are tons of variables that are separate from a corporate employee you have to take many things into consideration not just the financials. If the only thing you care about is money then you won’t be a successful GM.
Schoen has to take care of the cap but he also has to add talent and sometimes those objectives clash. You can’t always pick budget safety - there’s times where you need to overpay talent (which is virtually all of free agency). “Overspending” a couple million for 1 year is a perfectly fine way to secure production, continuity and a whole bunch of other categories.
Yeah, agreed. I wonder what Schoen is trying to achieve. Build his cred around the league?
The upshot is good. We should never give Barkley a long term contract.
Schoen is establishing his modus operandi regarding early contract offers and what agents should expect when they turn them down.
After the Jones negotiations, it’s important for Scheon to make it clear that if a player refuses to agree to what he believes is a far offer they cannot expect a better offer down the road.
If he doesn’t draw a hard line when he can he’ll been seen as a pushover and that can’t happen.
isn't far behind Lamar Jackson right now in terms of market value and negotiation delusion.
The Giants offer IMO at this point is ridiculously over-generous. There's no way Barkley will live up to it.
They're right to pull it as no other team will offer a 3 yr deal with guarantees above what Giants have.
We don’t know anything about the giants offer outside of it being a 3 year deal and around $13.5m per. If 40% of that is guaranteed, which is in line with top of the market percentages for RBs, why would Barkley accept that when he’s making $10.1 now with a 120% increase coming if tagged again?
Unless Barkley is getting $22m guaranteed from the Giants he’s correct for turning it down from a financial standpoint.
Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
Or we want the player? He already pulled the plug on Love, and he pulled the offer on Barkley because he’s got the leverage. Pulling the tag means we don’t want him.
Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
Or we want the player? He already pulled the plug on Love, and he pulled the offer on Barkley because he’s got the leverage. Pulling the tag means we don’t want him.
Pulling the tag means Giants don't want him at 10 mil. I doubt that happens given Mara's love for SB
markets are dynamic but imo a deal is in the interest of both sides
the giants have leverage right now because its the offseason and if barkley is (insert your adjective, pissed, disappointed, frustrated) it doesn't impact the team's performance. and because the comps right now are with the team bc of how the rb market cratered. if aaron jones had just signed a new 4x48m like he did in march 2021, things would be different.
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
Barkley and his agent may be waiting to see what kind of deal Pollard
is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
in sports where there are tons of variables that are separate from a corporate employee you have to take many things into consideration not just the financials. If the only thing you care about is money then you won’t be a successful GM.
Schoen has to take care of the cap but he also has to add talent and sometimes those objectives clash. You can’t always pick budget safety - there’s times where you need to overpay talent (which is virtually all of free agency). “Overspending” a couple million for 1 year is a perfectly fine way to secure production, continuity and a whole bunch of other categories.
My problem is exactly the same
I need to add talented developers to my team, but stay within my budget. Moreover, I need to balance the cost structure. I can't have a more junior person making more than a senior person just because the junior person is new and the market is going up.
I have the exact same issues as the GM! The past couple years the job market is tight, we have inflation and people are asking for more.
In addition to developers, I need to add useful tools to my stack or around our process. The analogy here would be my tools vs a football team's coaches and trainers. Unlike GMs, the cost for these tools comes out of my budget. My budget for tools is limited, but GMs get an unlimited budget for coaches and trainers!!!
is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
This, holy cow the guy loves to hear himself talk.
Barkley getting 10M is more than the market. I doubt any team would sign SB for 10M a year except us.
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He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
If that is true that is another good reason to tag him and not offer multi year deal .
Barkley getting 10M is more than the market. I doubt any team would sign SB for 10M a year except us.
I disagree, I think numerous teams would sign him for 10 million / season.
Some of you really grossly undervalue what he brings.
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The market for RBs is dropping big time. Zeke would be lucky to sign for 3M this year.
Barkley getting 10M is more than the market. I doubt any team would sign SB for 10M a year except us.
I disagree, I think numerous teams would sign him for 10 million / season.
Some of you really grossly undervalue what he brings.
Look at what Miles Sanders got
Everyone should stop looking at the yearly salary as well, and that’s all anyone is quoting in this thread.
If the market is this depressed for RBs, Team Barkley are getting a great one-year deal at $10M. And we are likely over-paying at that number.
Miles Sanders is a very good RB and he received 4yrs/$25M with $13M guaranteed. I'm not sure SB gets a deal that much > than that right now...
Barkley is much better than Sanders, IMO. That OL is dominant and is clouding perception.
Barkley is much better than Sanders, IMO. That OL is dominant and is clouding perception.
The point is we may have been able to bring SB back on a multi-year deal much cheaper than any of us expected if he was allowed to test the market. The market has spoken loudly - RBs are as fungible as ever.
Further, I'm just not buying this theory that if we lost Barkley to another team, we wouldn't be able to find options to replace most of his production.
As to your point about trading SB, it's a decent one. But we probably missed the opportunity to get optimal value. The older he gets and the more work he gets, Barkley's value will depreciate even more.
We won’t agree on replacing his production.
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we can’t replace his production in one offseason, there’s no long term commitment, and it gives us the right to tag again (and trade).
Barkley is much better than Sanders, IMO. That OL is dominant and is clouding perception.
The point is we may have been able to bring SB back on a multi-year deal much cheaper than any of us expected if he was allowed to test the market. The market has spoken loudly - RBs are as fungible as ever.
Further, I'm just not buying this theory that if we lost Barkley to another team, we wouldn't be able to find options to replace most of his production.
As to your point about trading SB, it's a decent one. But we probably missed the opportunity to get optimal value. The older he gets and the more work he gets, Barkley's value will depreciate even more.
I tend to agree - given how little money has gone out generally, and to RBs specifically, it's hard to believe that any team would have offered Barkley a monster contract that the Giants just couldn't match (if they wanted to - and if they lost him to someone offering a big deal, they'd get a compensatory pick at least).
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to 25, I would seriously consider removing the tag and letting SB be a FA and using that $10 mil in cap space on other priorities.
Even if that happened, which I doubt, I don't see the Giants taking Robinson.
Taking Robinson would prevent him from dropping to Dallas, who would LOVE to draft this guy. You could then groom him to take over Barkley's spot after next year (I would hold on to SB for one more year, under the tag).
That's a win/win, in my book. Hurting your rival, and setting up for a serious Playoff Run in 2024.
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The market for RBs is dropping big time. Zeke would be lucky to sign for 3M this year.
Barkley getting 10M is more than the market. I doubt any team would sign SB for 10M a year except us.
I disagree, I think numerous teams would sign him for 10 million / season.
Some of you really grossly undervalue what he brings.
Look at what Miles Sanders got
Imagine directly comparing Miles Sanders, behind a greatly superior line, to Barkley.
Barkley is a gamebreaker. 10 million is a bargain. I'm all for limiting the contract length, but other than that it's pure folly to undervalue him that badly.
Doubt it. This isn't just about Barkley. Schoen has to show his willingness to be firm in contract negotiations. He'll be in these battles his entire tenure.
Maybe the next offer for a particular player is accepted because they see that Schoen is willing to pull an offer if the market dictates.
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He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Yup. I'm hoping he doesn't sign his tag. May as well go all the way. We shouldn't offer him any type of long-term deal. Tag-tag, AT MOST. But ideally, we cut ties now, we'll be better off for it in the long run.
No reason to cut ties now. We have the money to pay him the tag number, why would we cut ties now when he will be a valuable player next year? I'm good going year to year but I see no reason to cut bait with him right now, that would just be plain old dumb.
I think this is what will happen. This is the way.
It shouldn't be "deep down", but I hope you are spot on.
Otherwise, there was no need to send the Brinks Truck to the Daniel Jones residency...
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that deep down, they don't have to have Barkley to win.
It shouldn't be "deep down", but I hope you are spot on.
Otherwise, there was no need to send the Brinks Truck to the Daniel Jones residency...
In the world of QBs, it was a small Brinks truck.
Let him see his true market value!
I guess they didn't watch last season.
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He turned down a very generous offer and it seemed to affect his game in a negative way in second half. Not a good look. Now it is clear that market has changed and the tag is more than he will make as a FA. If he does not sign his tag Giants should draft a RB and move on .
Wrong. His shoulder mostly affected hos game the second half of the year
Last I checked, RBs need their legs much more than their shoulders. I recall Hampton playing like a beast when his shoulder was practically falling off.
If the market is this depressed for RBs, Team Barkley are getting a great one-year deal at $10M. And we are likely over-paying at that number.
Miles Sanders is a very good RB and he received 4yrs/$25M with $13M guaranteed. I'm not sure SB gets a deal that much > than that right now...
I've been saying the tag is too much for him all along... I would not pay more than 6M
What’s the incentive? I know all anyone cares about is money but sometimes you need to prioritize the player, the culture and the production and a 1 year deal is perfectly fine for that. You can treat every player as a line item.
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mis-calculated the RB market. If they knew the offers were going to be this low, then I doubt they put the tag on Barkley.
What’s the incentive? I know all anyone cares about is money but sometimes you need to prioritize the player, the culture and the production and a 1 year deal is perfectly fine for that. You can treat every player as a line item.
I have some experience at doing this sort of thing.
I am the head of technology at my company. I have a budget (think of it like a cap). I have employees, contractors, vendors for cloud, software, etc.
I can tell you from first hand experience that they are all line items. And you have to decide which are the most valuable to you and pay those, the rest, negotiate hard or walk. You have to be very unemotional about it.
Yea. Can you imagine the guy saying “I d like Saquon to be a Giant for life if it works out”
Seriously don’t see the problem letting someone whose work you value, know that you do indeed value them
Schoen has to take care of the cap but he also has to add talent and sometimes those objectives clash. You can’t always pick budget safety - there’s times where you need to overpay talent (which is virtually all of free agency). “Overspending” a couple million for 1 year is a perfectly fine way to secure production, continuity and a whole bunch of other categories.
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is Schoen putting this out publicly.
Yeah, agreed. I wonder what Schoen is trying to achieve. Build his cred around the league?
The upshot is good. We should never give Barkley a long term contract.
Schoen is establishing his modus operandi regarding early contract offers and what agents should expect when they turn them down.
After the Jones negotiations, it’s important for Scheon to make it clear that if a player refuses to agree to what he believes is a far offer they cannot expect a better offer down the road.
If he doesn’t draw a hard line when he can he’ll been seen as a pushover and that can’t happen.
Barkley should fire his agent and try again.
+1
Barkley has $10.1m guaranteed - what if the Giants offer was only $20m guaranteed (well above the RB average)? Why would Barkley sign that?
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isn't far behind Lamar Jackson right now in terms of market value and negotiation delusion.
The Giants offer IMO at this point is ridiculously over-generous. There's no way Barkley will live up to it.
They're right to pull it as no other team will offer a 3 yr deal with guarantees above what Giants have.
We don’t know anything about the giants offer outside of it being a 3 year deal and around $13.5m per. If 40% of that is guaranteed, which is in line with top of the market percentages for RBs, why would Barkley accept that when he’s making $10.1 now with a 120% increase coming if tagged again?
Unless Barkley is getting $22m guaranteed from the Giants he’s correct for turning it down from a financial standpoint.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
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Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
Can guarantee that he'd be contacted real fast.
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Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
Or we want the player? He already pulled the plug on Love, and he pulled the offer on Barkley because he’s got the leverage. Pulling the tag means we don’t want him.
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Now rescind the tag.
Let him see his true market value!
I would love to see that because it would show us that Schoen is a negotiating vampire. And I think many outside of 1925 Giants Way would be surprised at SB's true value.
But I think that's just wishful thinking.
Or we want the player? He already pulled the plug on Love, and he pulled the offer on Barkley because he’s got the leverage. Pulling the tag means we don’t want him.
Pulling the tag means Giants don't want him at 10 mil. I doubt that happens given Mara's love for SB
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
Schoen has to take care of the cap but he also has to add talent and sometimes those objectives clash. You can’t always pick budget safety - there’s times where you need to overpay talent (which is virtually all of free agency). “Overspending” a couple million for 1 year is a perfectly fine way to secure production, continuity and a whole bunch of other categories.
My problem is exactly the same
I need to add talented developers to my team, but stay within my budget. Moreover, I need to balance the cost structure. I can't have a more junior person making more than a senior person just because the junior person is new and the market is going up.
I have the exact same issues as the GM! The past couple years the job market is tight, we have inflation and people are asking for more.
In addition to developers, I need to add useful tools to my stack or around our process. The analogy here would be my tools vs a football team's coaches and trainers. Unlike GMs, the cost for these tools comes out of my budget. My budget for tools is limited, but GMs get an unlimited budget for coaches and trainers!!!
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is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
+1
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is building a reputation as a tough negotiator. He pulled Love's offer and now he's doing the same thing with Barkley.
The message? Sign the contract while you can, because we'll move on quickly if you don't. Lots of fish in the sea, and with a great coaching staff, there's lots of ways to win.
he also cut bradberry last year. i think the "pulled offer" is being taken out of context if you listen to schoen's interview. he didnt say they pulled any offer, he just said once they didnt reach an agreement they went to the tag and there was no offer still out there because they moved on to mapping out the rest of the roster.
your point stands that he has shown with his actions and not just words that he is willing to hold the line and walk if he doesnt think the number is right.
+1
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