the giants have leverage right now because its the offseason and if barkley is (insert your adjective, pissed, disappointed, frustrated) it doesn't impact the team's performance. and because the comps right now are with the team bc of how the rb market cratered. if aaron jones had just signed a new 4x48m like he did in march 2021, things would be different.
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
I suspect the Giants will "cave" (at least in terms of contract optics) with something like 4/$54M, but that 4th year will carry a high non-guaranteed salary (~$18M maybe?) to boost the AAV to give SB (and his agent) the win, but the Giants will be looking at it more like a 3/$36M deal with the equivalent of two tags in guarantees and an option year that they can convert into bonus for another extension if SB is not free-falling in decline by 2026.
From the Giants' standpoint, it would also be helpful to have the tag available for Dex or X next offseason if necessary, so giving Barkley that same amount guaranteed right now would allow them the flexibility to use the tag elsewhere and not have it essentially locked away, earmarked for Barkley until 2025.
that the front office offers him a one year $11.5M-$12M contract. It's the right thing to do for a team leader who we're going to want to be taking big hits for us all year. The ROI and goodwill potentially generated by that extra <$2M is well worth the tiny hit to our cap.
that the front office offers him a one year $11.5M-$12M contract. It's the right thing to do for a team leader who we're going to want to be taking big hits for us all year. The ROI and goodwill potentially generated by that extra <$2M is well worth the tiny hit to our cap.
No. Then he should have signed the deal during the year. He'll come back down to Earth at the Giants' price for a three-year deal if he really wants to be here. No reason whatsoever to compromise because Barkley's agent won't.
the giants have leverage right now because its the offseason and if barkley is (insert your adjective, pissed, disappointed, frustrated) it doesn't impact the team's performance. and because the comps right now are with the team bc of how the rb market cratered. if aaron jones had just signed a new 4x48m like he did in march 2021, things would be different.
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
I suspect the Giants will "cave" (at least in terms of contract optics) with something like 4/$54M, but that 4th year will carry a high non-guaranteed salary (~$18M maybe?) to boost the AAV to give SB (and his agent) the win, but the Giants will be looking at it more like a 3/$36M deal with the equivalent of two tags in guarantees and an option year that they can convert into bonus for another extension if SB is not free-falling in decline by 2026.
From the Giants' standpoint, it would also be helpful to have the tag available for Dex or X next offseason if necessary, so giving Barkley that same amount guaranteed right now would allow them the flexibility to use the tag elsewhere and not have it essentially locked away, earmarked for Barkley until 2025.
i would guess similarly. i thought a 3x40m (forgetting window dressing) was where it would go in season, and it sounds like barkley turned something close to that down. the market cratering probably has him regretting that so id guess the plane lands somewhere close to that before training camp. most of FA is already over so gaining room from his tag hit this year isn't really a big deal.
it sounds like the priority is extending Lawrence first then after that they will move on to other business. which makes sense because you want the bigger more important contracts locked in before locking in the others around that if you can.
I wonder what Saquon's next move is? I can't see him holding out.
Why wonder? we can see his next move. It is wait to see if something shift the market, which he is doing. Right now, there is no urgency for him or Schoen. Schoen has already gotten the big numbers to fit, so he is under no pressure to lower the cap hit now, and Barkley isn't getting more out of a deal that the tag number, so he can wait too.
Sure Barkley's side misjudged the market, and he might be kicking himself for not signing earlier. So what. But markets go up as well as down; especially for NFL players. If they do get a long term deal done, it will be much later, when one or the other is feeling more pressure.
Quote:
John Mara can’t find a way to STFU.
How about you STFU. I'd much rather listen to what he has to say than you.
👍🏿👍
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
I suspect the Giants will "cave" (at least in terms of contract optics) with something like 4/$54M, but that 4th year will carry a high non-guaranteed salary (~$18M maybe?) to boost the AAV to give SB (and his agent) the win, but the Giants will be looking at it more like a 3/$36M deal with the equivalent of two tags in guarantees and an option year that they can convert into bonus for another extension if SB is not free-falling in decline by 2026.
From the Giants' standpoint, it would also be helpful to have the tag available for Dex or X next offseason if necessary, so giving Barkley that same amount guaranteed right now would allow them the flexibility to use the tag elsewhere and not have it essentially locked away, earmarked for Barkley until 2025.
Quote:
Barkley fucked up and Schoen gives zero fucks.
Barkley has $10.1m guaranteed - what if the Giants offer was only $20m guaranteed (well above the RB average)? Why would Barkley sign that?
The offer during the season more than the tag.
No. Then he should have signed the deal during the year. He'll come back down to Earth at the Giants' price for a three-year deal if he really wants to be here. No reason whatsoever to compromise because Barkley's agent won't.
Quote:
In comment 16077255 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
Barkley fucked up and Schoen gives zero fucks.
Barkley has $10.1m guaranteed - what if the Giants offer was only $20m guaranteed (well above the RB average)? Why would Barkley sign that?
The offer during the season more than the tag.
Which was?
Quote:
the giants have leverage right now because its the offseason and if barkley is (insert your adjective, pissed, disappointed, frustrated) it doesn't impact the team's performance. and because the comps right now are with the team bc of how the rb market cratered. if aaron jones had just signed a new 4x48m like he did in march 2021, things would be different.
but markets are dynamic. if austin ekeler gets traded at or before the draft, and his new team gives him a 4x48m, things will shift.
as otas/training camp approach again things will again shift if the nyg fo wants barkley in attendance and fully engaged.
so right now like most negotiations most of it is a waiting game. if barkley is interested in a deal along the lines of the one the nyg already proposed i dont think he'd have to do much more than call his reps and ask them to communicate that to the nyg.
if he wants to wait it out until closer to camp and hope things turn he doesn't have much to lose because i dont think that offer is going away.
I suspect the Giants will "cave" (at least in terms of contract optics) with something like 4/$54M, but that 4th year will carry a high non-guaranteed salary (~$18M maybe?) to boost the AAV to give SB (and his agent) the win, but the Giants will be looking at it more like a 3/$36M deal with the equivalent of two tags in guarantees and an option year that they can convert into bonus for another extension if SB is not free-falling in decline by 2026.
From the Giants' standpoint, it would also be helpful to have the tag available for Dex or X next offseason if necessary, so giving Barkley that same amount guaranteed right now would allow them the flexibility to use the tag elsewhere and not have it essentially locked away, earmarked for Barkley until 2025.
i would guess similarly. i thought a 3x40m (forgetting window dressing) was where it would go in season, and it sounds like barkley turned something close to that down. the market cratering probably has him regretting that so id guess the plane lands somewhere close to that before training camp. most of FA is already over so gaining room from his tag hit this year isn't really a big deal.
it sounds like the priority is extending Lawrence first then after that they will move on to other business. which makes sense because you want the bigger more important contracts locked in before locking in the others around that if you can.
Why wonder? we can see his next move. It is wait to see if something shift the market, which he is doing. Right now, there is no urgency for him or Schoen. Schoen has already gotten the big numbers to fit, so he is under no pressure to lower the cap hit now, and Barkley isn't getting more out of a deal that the tag number, so he can wait too.
Sure Barkley's side misjudged the market, and he might be kicking himself for not signing earlier. So what. But markets go up as well as down; especially for NFL players. If they do get a long term deal done, it will be much later, when one or the other is feeling more pressure.