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Some Giants draft math: 31 + 95 +178 = 25

Y28 : 3/28/2023 10:55 am
Last year, The KC Chiefs wanted CB Trent McDuffie. To insure getting him, they traded 3 picks (29, 94, 121) to New England to get the 21st pick and draft McDuffie.

According to the various value charts for draft picks, the Chiefs overpaid slightly (by only 18 points) to complete the trade.

Could that happen again this year? Well, the math works if you consider the value of the Giants 25th pick.

Now if the player the Giants covet is there at 25, you take him. Its that simple.

But if not, a move like this keeps you in Round 1 (keeps the 5th year team option) and would help us recoup the 3rd round pick given to get Waller and provide another 6th. That's a lot of value for the Giants sliding 6 slots.

And as we saw last season, Schoen and Brett Veach put together the Toney deal.

Anything can happen on draft night, but this scenario has some history and logic on why it could happen.

Y28, I love a good trade-down in a less-than-stellar draft year...  
FranknWeezer : 3/28/2023 11:04 am : link
...but it seems finding that tango partner is normally the toughest part. Hopefully Schoen, Brown and Abrams are more adept than their predecessor at networking with other GMs to let them know we may be open to sliding back a few spots like in that KC trade you gave as an example.
AcidTest : 3/28/2023 11:06 am : link
wouldn't want to move out of the first round unless there is a really terrific offer.

I think the Giants are actually more likely to trade up slightly for a WR than trade down. The problem is that Colin and other posters are obsessed with getting JSN or Flowers and are willing to give up whatever draft capital is necessary to do so. They think the Giants share that desire. I hope they are wrong.
allstarjim : 3/28/2023 11:18 am : link
Nothing is 100% until we see the actual draft results. But from everything I'm seeing, we have to stop with the JSN stuff. Everything I'm seeing is that he's going to be gone at least 10 picks prior to the Giants' selection. It's just not gonna happen.
I'd rather see them move down in  
Hades07 : 3/28/2023 11:26 am : link
First and pick up an additional 2nd, even if it means giving up later round picks. They have 6 in rounds 5-7. Not sure how the trade math works out. But having 3 picks in first 2 rounds would be very good in this draft and worth moving to 31 to do it, depending on who is there at 25.
the Clemson defenders have been projected all over the first round.  
markky : 3/28/2023 11:37 am : link
It's quite possible 1 of Simpson, Bresee or Murphy falls to us.
Giants have more holes in the roster to fill than the Chiefs  
US1 Giants : 3/28/2023 11:39 am : link
Can't afford to trade up.
Schmelk and Dottino  
Angus : 3/28/2023 11:53 am : link
Interviewed a Clemson reporter yesterday. The conclusion was that Simpson doesn't fit the Giants.
ryanmkeane : 3/28/2023 11:56 am : link
I don't like trades like this. To me, the 6th rounder adds really no value. It's a camp body you hope can turn into something.

Getting back the late 3rd rounder would not entice me either. You are dropping from 25 to 31, that is 6 high end prospects going before your selection.

The way things have shook out  
Biteymax22 : 3/28/2023 12:13 pm : link
Has me feeling less and less like we'll make this pick at 25.

I think they'll have a short list of 3-4 players who they'll either have to move up to get, or move back if they aren't there.

I wouldn't be shocked to see us not make a first round pick, I also wouldn't be shocked to see us taking JSN (if he's there) at 14-18.
Move down.  
FStubbs : 3/28/2023 12:48 pm : link
This roster is still about 12-15 legitimate NFL players and a bunch of garbage.
RE: Move down.  
BleedBlue : 3/28/2023 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16077047 FStubbs said:
This roster is still about 12-15 legitimate NFL players and a bunch of garbage.

Ah yea 12 legit and a bunch of trash wins a playoff game. How do you guys arrive at these stupid conclusions?!

The giants roster isn’t where it needs to be but we don’t have gaping holes like everyone here says
Samiam : 3/28/2023 2:42 pm : link
I can see a trade back to get more picks but wonder of you think having too many draft picks is good unless you are rebuilding from the ground up. There’s now 10 picks now plus at 5-6 rookies from last year who either missed the entire season or most of the season or a good chunk of games and practices. Wondering if you think that at some level, these are too man6 young guys who need a lot of attention by the coaching staff.

What I’m thinking of is that they could trade back and get a bunch of picks for the 24 draft. A club to trade with the Giants would probably want to defer what they pay so the 24 pick might be a higher pick than a 23 pick. I don’t know realistic this and even if it, how good is the 24 class supposed to be other than possibly QBs.
I'd think a trade down would be good  
SomeFan : 3/28/2023 2:48 pm : link
if we can land Marvin Mims, a center (Wypler?) and best available DB all in the first two rounds.
I know that  
Y28 : 3/28/2023 3:55 pm : link
many discount picks in the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds, and as Giants fans we can certainly understand that with the results from the past Administration.

Hopefully that changes with Schoen and Company. Last year D.J. Davidson made valuable contributions. His injury clearly effected the teams run defense for the rest of the season.

And Darrian Beavers was taking snaps with the 1st team defense before his unfortunate injury.

There are thousands of players eligible to be drafted each year, and only about 260 are. With the millions of dollars invested in research and scouting, I have a much stronger opinion of all the Day Three picks under Schoen.

There are solid starters in the NFL that were drafted on Day Three and signed as UDFAs. No reason the Giants can't hit on those picks, similar to the recent Day Three success of the Chiefs.

The Giants still have a lot of areas needed for improvement. The trade I suggested keeps them with a 1st rounder and provides an opportunity to get two more.

And don't forget that the draft this year is in Kansas City. Imagine the home crowd if the Chiefs move up and a Draft Night trade is announced.
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