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Mara rips the idea of flexing games to TNF

Sean : 3/28/2023 8:29 pm
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Dan Duggan
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John Mara said that's "adamantly opposed" to the proposal to flex games to Thursday night. "Flexible scheduling, as it is, is really inconsiderate to our season-ticket holders and to people who fill our stadiums every week," Mara said.

Extended quote linked below. Good for Mara.
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Something where I agree with Mara  
US1 Giants : 3/28/2023 8:43 pm : link
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Could you imagine  
DaddyM89 : 3/28/2023 8:43 pm : link
taking off work, paying a ton of money for flights and hotels for a game to find out 3 days beforehand the game will be on a thursday. That would be beyond infuriating and about as big a fuck you as possible to fans.
He’s right  
mattlawson : 3/28/2023 8:50 pm : link
You can’t have it both ways. Let the people enjoy their plans if they make them. TV people come secondarily due to the convenience
Terrible idea  
give66 : 3/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
Good on Mara. Would like to see them go back to sixteen games schedule with 2 bye weeks. Maximize teams that are coming off a bye play on Thursday night.
It's good to see someone standing up for the ticket holders.  
Tom in NY : 3/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
It's disgusting to move these scheduled Sunday afternoon games to Thursday night when people are planning road trips to go to these games only to have them moved with short notice (re-scheduling flights/hotel reservations is a nightmare).

....and YES, asking players to play 2 short weeks during a 17 week season is not a good idea either.
Kudos  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
to Mara here.
If only Mara had the balls to say...  
bw in dc : 3/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
this instead:

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John Mara said that's "adamantly opposed" to the proposal to flex games on Thursday night.


JFC, TNF is such a rotten product.
RE: If only Mara had the balls to say...  
Mike in NY : 3/28/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16077417 bw in dc said:
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this instead:



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John Mara said that's "adamantly opposed" to the proposal to flex games on Thursday night.



JFC, TNF is such a rotten product.


The problem is there is no good way to fix it. It was originally conceived as a way for fans of small market teams who don’t live in their home markets to see their teams play on cable television. Unless both are dominant, when would JAX@CLE ever get the top crew on CBS (since FOX didn’t air matches when AFC team was on the road)? They can’t do Saturday due to NCAA and Friday isn’t workable due to the popularity of HS Football in large swaths of the country.
RE: Could you imagine  
mitch300 : 3/28/2023 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16077407 DaddyM89 said:
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taking off work, paying a ton of money for flights and hotels for a game to find out 3 days beforehand the game will be on a thursday. That would be beyond infuriating and about as big a fuck you as possible to fans.

I seen somewhere that it needs to be announced 15 days before game. It still sucks.
RE: RE: Could you imagine  
Mad Mike : 3/28/2023 10:42 pm : link
In comment 16077447 mitch300 said:
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I seen somewhere that it needs to be announced 15 days before game. It still sucks.

That was what was proposed, yes. Hopefully it being nixed "for now" becomes for good, but we'll see.
Let’s be serious  
bhill410 : 1:08 am : link
It was conceived as a massive new revenue stream. Fans of small market teams had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Very simple solution  
Giant John : 3:56 am : link
Don’t buy tickets. It’s a revenue stream. Revenue dries up the problem goes away. Works for me.
TNF sucks  
Big Blue '56 : 5:16 am : link
and should be eliminated save for Turkey day of course
RE: Let’s be serious  
Mike in NY : 5:32 am : link
In comment 16077478 bhill410 said:
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It was conceived as a massive new revenue stream. Fans of small market teams had absolutely nothing to do with it.


Yes revenue stream was important, but if that were solely the case they would try to get elite matchups every Thursday to make it more lucrative to television networks. They wanted a slot where every team could have a primetime game over the course of a season. Thursday was perceived as better than Tuesday because of experience with Thanksgiving. If it were me, I would do away with early season TNF except for Week 1. Restart it after bye weeks come in so that every TNF match involves teams who had a Bye week the week before. If you are worried about every team getting a shot at being the lone game on, use the late season Saturday games and Europe matches for that.
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He's right.
He's right  
But the chances are the league will do it anyway. Screw the fans and make the tv networks happy is the operating mode of the NFL.
good for him. it had to be said  
Victor in CT : 7:20 am : link
typical NFL, take a dumb thing and make it dumber
If John Mara is  
section125 : 7:25 am : link
adamantly opposed, it is DOA.
I think anytime Mara, Jones, Rooney fam or Hunt fam are against something, it is not going to pass.
Mara is wrong.  
bluefin : 7:42 am : link
The primary objective of the NFL is to provide viewers for vile commercial “ads”. Goodell could explain this to him.

Nice of Mara to think about us, though.
RE: Mara is wrong.  
In comment 16077514 bluefin said:
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The primary objective of the NFL is to provide viewers for vile commercial “ads”. Goodell could explain this to him.

Nice of Mara to think about us, though.


which is another way of saying "revenue stream."
RE: RE: Could you imagine  
BigBlueShock : 8:21 am : link
In comment 16077447 mitch300 said:
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In comment 16077407 DaddyM89 said:


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taking off work, paying a ton of money for flights and hotels for a game to find out 3 days beforehand the game will be on a thursday. That would be beyond infuriating and about as big a fuck you as possible to fans.


I seen somewhere that it needs to be announced 15 days before game. It still sucks.

15 days doesn’t do anything to help. I know when I plan trips for away games I book everything far in advance. Typically as soon as the schedule comes out to make sure of the flights, hotel, etc. changing that stuff 15 days out is a major pain in the ass and many times impossible
RE: Very simple solution  
In comment 16077485 Giant John said:
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Don’t buy tickets. It’s a revenue stream. Revenue dries up the problem goes away. Works for me.

Yep, just like "don't drive and the gas prices will come down." Sounds good on paper but there's no connection to reality.
RE: Terrible idea  
In comment 16077410 give66 said:
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Good on Mara. Would like to see them go back to sixteen games schedule with 2 bye weeks. Maximize teams that are coming off a bye play on Thursday night.


They can keep 17. But the world has changed. They can start a week earlier and and end a week later for all I care. Give them 3 buy weeks. Your contracted players w a salary cap are not totally replaceable.

NBA regular season is meaningless. Why not go to the end of Feb?
Say what you want about Mara  
But his interest in this team is way beyond monetary. He genuinely loves the players. Players who have a lunch pail attitude and have good character , he always brings thisbup. And if you notice we generally hold on to those players. When he talks about players its always about what type of player they are and what type of character they are.
John’s a good guy  
Dave on the UWS : 10:54 am : link
I WANT him weighing in on this stuff. It’s the personnel stuff I wish he would keep quiet about.
Maybe the apple doesn't fall far  
from the tree. John with The Duke-like attitude of caring overall for the health of the league rather than short term profits to appease Bezos.


Fuck Roger Goodell.
RE: John’s a good guy  
Victor in CT : 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16077602 Dave on the UWS said:
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I WANT him weighing in on this stuff. It’s the personnel stuff I wish he would keep quiet about.


Agreed
Horrible idea.  
Glad he stepped up and said something. Contrary to popular belief, the Mara and Rooney families have and are revered by the NFL. Maybe less so than in the past though. As a STH I hate Thursday night games. I plan who goes with me months in advance. 10 day notice to change to a weeknight would suck. Bad enough we already have MNF and SNF. These weeknight games used to be a premium sellout in the 80's and 90's. No more. Many empty seats no matter the opponent. People either have to take the next day off from work or be a zombie the next day. No Thursday night flex, thank you.
Boo hoo  
HomerJones45 : 1:14 pm : link
when will Jawn be sending back his check for the tv money? Save it Jawn.

You all may not like it, but the tv money is worth far more than ticket and medium Pepsi sales. This whole flexing business was conceived to bring more eyeballs to the screen. No eyeballs; no big checks.

Amazon no doubt is bitching about the slate of games they were given and the resulting ratings for their $105 BILLION dollars so the NFL will flex games to make them happy.

Jawn's cut of that is $3.25 billion. The flexing is going to get done; don't fall for the alligator tears.

It's the dollars, always the dollars.
No one is contesting  
it's all about the money. It's fans who go to the games who don't like it. Dumbass.
Yes, yes he is a dumbass  
One of the loudest and worst posters
RE: RE: Could you imagine  
Gatorade Dunk : 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16077447 mitch300 said:
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In comment 16077407 DaddyM89 said:


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taking off work, paying a ton of money for flights and hotels for a game to find out 3 days beforehand the game will be on a thursday. That would be beyond infuriating and about as big a fuck you as possible to fans.


I seen somewhere that it needs to be announced 15 days before game. It still sucks.

If you're traveling to another market to see your favorite team on the road, chances are you're booking the entire trip (including the game itself) much farther out than 15 days.

So yes, the three days beforehand example is beyond what is being proposed here, but the reason why it sucks still applies entirely here. Imagine planning a trip to see the Giants play the Packers and then just spending a weekend in Green Bay for a game you already missed by the time you arrive? WTF are you going to do in Green Bay for the weekend?
RE: Boo hoo  
Gatorade Dunk : 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16077677 HomerJones45 said:
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You all may not like it, but the tv money is worth far more than ticket and medium Pepsi sales. This whole flexing business was conceived to bring more eyeballs to the screen. No eyeballs; no big checks.

Do you think the TV money is fully contingent upon TNF flex-scheduling?

Here's a hint: the NFL is going to get their TV money with or without TNF flex-scheduling. Using "no eyeballs" as your comparison is sensationalist and, quite honestly, fucking stupid. The NFL isn't going to broadcast into the abyss if they don't get flex-scheduling on Thursday nights. They might just have to make do with not recognizing a small/moderate incremental ratings gain for TNF. It won't be the first or last time that a corporate entity is forced to trade away maximum income in favor of preserving their NPS.
RE: Yes, yes he is a dumbass  
HomerJones45 : 3:49 pm : link
In comment 16077766 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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One of the loudest and worst posters
thank you! Coming from a pair of dunces like you two, scorn is a compliment.

Let me explain it to you so even you two morons can understand. The fans in the stands are small potatoes.
I do picture John  
wiping his tears with hundred dollar bills publicly wringing his hands over PSLs.
Oy.  
Another dumbass
RE: RE: Yes, yes he is a dumbass  
Gatorade Dunk : 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16077805 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 16077766 Daniel in Kentucky said:


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One of the loudest and worst posters

thank you! Coming from a pair of dunces like you two, scorn is a compliment.

Let me explain it to you so even you two morons can understand. The fans in the stands are small potatoes.

Let me explain it to you as someone who works in the industry to someone who doesn't have a fucking clue:

It's not the fans in the stands. It's the public perception of not caring about the fans in the stands. It's the possibility that fewer fans will travel to road games beyond a driving distance because of uncertainty leading to more volatility on the demand side of their ticketing, which pushes down on primary and secondary pricing. It's the possibility of fewer sellouts and the potential for local TV blackouts. And it's the optics of empty seats in the stands, especially on Thursday night games, which aren't particularly well-regarded by the public already. If the NFL pushes attendance drop count into the double digit percentages for TNF, TV ratings for TNF will ultimately and eventually follow.

Yes, the NFL wants more TV revenue, obviously. And TV revenue is their golden goose, obviously. But they also want to eventize the game experience itself because - regardless of whether your little brain can process it or not - the inherent interest in watching a live event on TV is substantially related to that event also being a hot ticket in person.

The NFL will always prioritize the TV money over the fans in the stands, true. But they cannot openly alienate the fans in the stands because those are fundamentally the same human beings that watch games on television. There's only so often that you can tell them that you don't care about them before they listen.
Thank god we HomerJones here to pontificate to the…  
…intellectually challenged.
Lol
Gotta laugh because  
you totally take my post out of context. I totally understand your point of view and do not disagree in the least- save your twelve year old language. I merely don't like it as a fan going to games and having late night weekday changed with only 10 day notice.

Now go get your shine box! Just kidding.
He's looking at the money side, only ....  
Manny in CA : 8:48 pm : link

He doesn't want to piss-off the customers. I get it.

But how about the players' health. That short week has to be murder, especially if you have to travel cross-country to the next Thursday. Thursday night sucks, period.

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