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amindan54 : 3/28/2023 11:31 pm
first mention of richie james, said he missed all of last year before 2022 and was healthy all year outside of concussion....

i dont know why they choose crowder over james, james seems like the vastly more athletic player, younger, has history with jones and this offense, high catch rate before this year.
wish they bought him back.
Fumbles on special teams  
Mike in NY : 3/28/2023 11:34 pm : link
I think they are trying to beef up the WR depth so his spot needs to contribute on Special Teams and if he is coughing up the ball that isn’t helpful.
RE: Fumbles on special teams  
Bill in UT : 3/28/2023 11:41 pm : link
In comment 16077467 Mike in NY said:
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I think they are trying to beef up the WR depth so his spot needs to contribute on Special Teams and if he is coughing up the ball that isn’t helpful.


I thought he only coughed it up when he wore short sleeves, and he fixed that afterwards
with shep, crowder, slayton, hodgins, campbell, smith, colin johnson  
amindan54 : 3/28/2023 11:42 pm : link
hes clearly 8th on the depth chart with everyone healthy.

but 3 guys are coming back off ACL/Achilles.

So hes 5th.

They do have similar skill set guys like crowder, a older near 30 vet, pimpleton a 2nd year player who spent all year on PS and has ST values both of them.

They also have Mickens as well for some ST value.

I want to bring back James, i dont understand why not unless hes holding out for more than 2-3 million max.

That would bring back your top 4 rushers, top 2 QB, top 7 pass catchers. tremendous continuity along weapons and offensive coaching staff and 5 guys who started multiple games along the OL projected to be started.
RE: Fumbles on special teams  
eli4life : 12:52 am : link
In comment 16077467 Mike in NY said:
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I think they are trying to beef up the WR depth so his spot needs to contribute on Special Teams and if he is coughing up the ball that isn’t helpful.


Really only that one game that was bad rest of it he wasn’t bad just safe. As a fans perspective though when I see his name that’s the first thing that comes to mind. I think they want more explosiveness from the returner is basically what it boils down to. As far as wr goes they are looking to upgrade the room and when you do guys like James got to go
RE: Fumbles on special teams  
Optimus-NY : 6:39 am : link
In comment 16077467 Mike in NY said:
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I think they are trying to beef up the WR depth so his spot needs to contribute on Special Teams and if he is coughing up the ball that isn’t helpful.


Bingo.

How goes it Mike? Hope all's well man!
I think one of the  
TrueBlue56 : 6:42 am : link
Most important things he said was that the Giants were lowest in soft tissue injuries. It was a dramatic turnaround from the previous years where we were among the league's highest.

I am sure a lot had to do with trading toney. He pulls a muscle getting out of bed.
Although James is replaceable  
section125 : 6:51 am : link
I am surprised he isn't back. He must be asking for more than Vet Minimum. He was a reliable WR for DJ.
James had one bad game on specials. I don't get this  
Blue21 : 7:24 am : link
"Fumbles on special teams". He made some big catches last year and overall was pretty reliable. It's got to be a money thing. I want to improve the WRs but he at least seems worthy of being In the competition unless as I said he's looking for too much money.
RE: with shep, crowder, slayton, hodgins, campbell, smith, colin johnson  
Pepe LePugh : 7:43 am : link
In comment 16077471 amindan54 said:
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hes clearly 8th on the depth chart with everyone healthy.

but 3 guys are coming back off ACL/Achilles.

So hes 5th.

They do have similar skill set guys like crowder, a older near 30 ve, pimpleton a 2nd year player who spent all year on PS and has ST values both of them.

They also have Mickens as well for some ST value.

I want to bring back James, i dont understand why not unless hes holding out for more than 2-3 million max.

That would bring back your top 4 rushers, top 2 QB, top 7 pass catchers. tremendous continuity along weapons and offensive coaching staff and 5 guys who started multiple games along the OL projected to be started.

I put him above Smith (best season 17/167/0; zero career TD) and Colin Johnson (best year 18/272/2, coming off major injury. Shep can’t stay on the field. Crowder has missed 21 games in the last 3 years. Campbell has had one healthy season in a four year career.
As you say, there’s a spot for him if he’s reasonable, but certainly can’t blame James for testing the market after the best season of his career.
It happens all the time. Players sign what in their mind is a  
Ivan15 : 7:54 am : link
prove it deal and then play to a level that they think proves their worth. The team, however, sees it as a one-year, bottom of the roster deal until the team finds someone better.

So both parties shop around for a while until both are convinced that re-signing is the smart move.
It may also be...  
Brown_Hornet : 8:02 am : link
...that Richie now has a shot to catch on somewhere else, by design.
If they add 2 WRs in the draft, James would likely be out of a job anyway.
RE: It happens all the time. Players sign what in their mind is a  
Spider56 : 9:12 am : link
In comment 16077517 Ivan15 said:
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prove it deal and then play to a level that they think proves their worth. The team, however, sees it as a one-year, bottom of the roster deal until the team finds someone better.

So both parties shop around for a while until both are convinced that re-signing is the smart move.


The OP makes valid points and I think this view is probably the bottom line. I’ve always been a big fan of Crowder and think he’s better than James (when healthy) but he’s now on the nasty side of 30.
RE: James had one bad game on specials. I don't get this  
ElitoCanton : 9:59 am : link
There were fumbles in other games that the Giants recovered.

In comment 16077507 Blue21 said:
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"Fumbles on special teams". He made some big catches last year and overall was pretty reliable. It's got to be a money thing. I want to improve the WRs but he at least seems worthy of being In the competition unless as I said he's looking for too much money.
RE: James had one bad game on specials. I don't get this  
John In CO : 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16077507 Blue21 said:
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"I want to improve the WRs but he at least seems worthy of being In the competition unless as I said he's looking for too much money.


We have no idea if the team tried to resign him or not. I think sometimes we forget that its FREE agency. Its not a draft where you just select guys and they are yours. Maybe he wants more money than they are willing to offer....maybe the guys was a PITA in the room and they want to cut ties....maybe he hated the NY/NJ area and all the negatives ($$$$) that come with living and working there and wants to see if he can find a better situation...maybe he wants to play closer to him and his family...could be a million different things.
I’d like him back  
Rudy5757 : 5:16 pm : link
It’s possible he wanted more money and now realizing he’s not getting it. Ideally not one of your top 3 but he’s a solid player and was pretty healthy. Too much is made out of the fumbles.
You gotta do better than James  
JonC : 5:33 pm : link
Despite his contributions last season, that's precisely the position and player profile you want to upgrade.

You go back to James when no better alternative. Campbell is a more talented package, take the flier and look for another.
Crowder is actually 29  
BSIMatt : 3/30/2023 7:37 am : link
James is 27. They will be 30 and 28 respectively by the time season starts.
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