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Knickstape : 3/29/2023 7:38 pm
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RE: Hartenstein bricks a layup  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16078073 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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That was unbelievable.
RE: Butler has been horrendous.  
dpinzow : 3/29/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16078075 bceagle05 said:
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Hart just locked him down
You’re right  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 9:50 pm : link
Hart gets most of the credit.
Way to stay in it Rj  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 9:50 pm : link
that is your biggest positive, you never take yourself out of a game
Biggest win of the season  
dpinzow : 3/29/2023 9:51 pm : link
and they did it w/o Randle in the 2nd half
Great work by Thibs in the second half.  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 9:52 pm : link
Not easy to manage that without Randle.
Big time win.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/29/2023 9:52 pm : link
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RE: Great work by Thibs in the second half.  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 9:54 pm : link
In comment 16078081 bceagle05 said:
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Not easy to manage that without Randle.


Smartest move was after the lead jumped to 9 was leaving the 5 man unit in the game, he easily could of taken Grimes or Rj out for Brunson and he didnt..
One of the better Grimes games of the season.  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 9:54 pm : link
Crashed the boards too. He’s gotten his second wind.
Brooklyn came back to win  
dpinzow : 3/29/2023 9:56 pm : link
so the Knicks are still 2.5 ahead of the Nets for 5th
RE: Brooklyn came back to win  
larryflower37 : 3/29/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16078086 dpinzow said:
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so the Knicks are still 2.5 ahead of the Nets for 5th

5 to play with 3 against non playoff teams
Grimes was just really agressive  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 9:58 pm : link
i think this was his most agressive game and his rebounding has gotten better, wonder if Hart has given him some pointers..

Iq another great game and he stepped up with Brunson a little rusty..

Game Friday against Cleveland is not crazy important but Knicks could send a little message
Thibs finally went small and it worked like many of us had wanted.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 9:59 pm : link
Is Hartenstein overtaking Mitch at center?  
dpinzow : 3/29/2023 10:02 pm : link
Hartenstein with 29 minutes including the entire 4th quarter, Mitch with just 19 minutes. Noticed that Hartenstein is playing most of the 4th quarter minutes of late
RE: Josh Hart putting on a clinic on defense  
bluefin : 3/29/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16078065 dpinzow said:
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He’s like a military service dog.
RE: Is Hartenstein overtaking Mitch at center?  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16078090 dpinzow said:
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Hartenstein with 29 minutes including the entire 4th quarter, Mitch with just 19 minutes. Noticed that Hartenstein is playing most of the 4th quarter minutes of late


Mitch has been off lately but Hartenstein always commits the dumbest fouls every game. I think it is a game by game situation between both of them.
What's the word  
Mike from SI : 3/29/2023 10:04 pm : link
on Randle?
RE: Is Hartenstein overtaking Mitch at center?  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16078090 dpinzow said:
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Hartenstein with 29 minutes including the entire 4th quarter, Mitch with just 19 minutes. Noticed that Hartenstein is playing most of the 4th quarter minutes of late


This was not a game for Mitxh, you needed Hartensteins passing and with Miami blitzing and doubling and playing zone mItch was useless
Miami doesn't have a big center  
larryflower37 : 3/29/2023 10:08 pm : link
Hartenstein was a better match up, he will get his spot back especially in the playoffs
Sixers beat Mavericks  
dpinzow : 3/29/2023 10:12 pm : link
Mavericks now with 40 losses in 11th out west
RE: Sixers beat Mavericks  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 10:14 pm : link
In comment 16078099 dpinzow said:
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Mavericks now with 40 losses in 11th out west

Sucks that we’re gonna lose that pick. We could add a really nice young piece to a 46-47 win roster.
RE: Sixers beat Mavericks  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16078099 dpinzow said:
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Mavericks now with 40 losses in 11th out west


This is gonna come down to the wire. Dallas currently owns the 11th pick in the draft.
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Randle out and the ball moves fluently  
jmalls23 : 3/29/2023 10:18 pm : link
No ISO's just pass pass pass. Pleasure to watch!
RE: RE: Sixers beat Mavericks  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16078101 bceagle05 said:
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Mavericks now with 40 losses in 11th out west


Sucks that we’re gonna lose that pick. We could add a really nice young piece to a 46-47 win roster.


We'll ses where Dallas ends up.
Quickley  
Enzo : 3/29/2023 10:22 pm : link
was the best guy on the court and that's saying something given Butler, Bam and Herro were on the other side.
-Kudos to Thibs for going away from his usual rotation and sticking with what was working down the stretch
-RJ was awful. Zero court sense. Even on his clutch 3, he should have passed it, lol.
-Tony Brothers is a horrendous ref. Did Miami even challenge on the Butler double dribble or did they just overturn it on their own?
-Mitch has such bad hands.
-Grimes has the potential to be a damn good two-way player with some playmaking ability. And he has a lightning quick release.
RE: RE: RE: Sixers beat Mavericks  
larryflower37 : 3/29/2023 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16078104 robbieballs2003 said:
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Mavericks now with 40 losses in 11th out west


Sucks that we’re gonna lose that pick. We could add a really nice young piece to a 46-47 win roster.



We'll ses where Dallas ends up.

Gotta hope they end up 11th
Dallas has rightly  
Enzo : 3/29/2023 10:35 pm : link
been killed for months for botching the Brunson situation - but what I don't get is once it became obvious he had his eye on NY, why didn't Dallas try to engage us in a sign-and-trade and try to get back something for him? They're a win-now team that was over the cap. At a minimum, Burks would have really helped them. You can't let the asset walk away for nothing.
RE: Dallas has rightly  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16078118 Enzo said:
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been killed for months for botching the Brunson situation - but what I don't get is once it became obvious he had his eye on NY, why didn't Dallas try to engage us in a sign-and-trade and try to get back something for him? They're a win-now team that was over the cap. At a minimum, Burks would have really helped them. You can't let the asset walk away for nothing.


I think that was part of the tampering on our part. Yes, Brunson could have gotten more money but why weaken your team in the process?
RE: RE: Dallas has rightly  
Enzo : 3/29/2023 10:40 pm : link
In comment 16078119 robbieballs2003 said:
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been killed for months for botching the Brunson situation - but what I don't get is once it became obvious he had his eye on NY, why didn't Dallas try to engage us in a sign-and-trade and try to get back something for him? They're a win-now team that was over the cap. At a minimum, Burks would have really helped them. You can't let the asset walk away for nothing.



I think that was part of the tampering on our part. Yes, Brunson could have gotten more money but why weaken your team in the process?

we had to send salary (Noel and Burks) to Detroit to clear room for Brunson. Dallas could have just taken those (or other) players back instead.
But they were moved prior to Brunson becoming a FA  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 10:43 pm : link
since the draft happens before FA in the NBA.
RE: Dallas has rightly  
steve in ky : 3/29/2023 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16078118 Enzo said:
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been killed for months for botching the Brunson situation - but what I don't get is once it became obvious he had his eye on NY, why didn't Dallas try to engage us in a sign-and-trade and try to get back something for him? They're a win-now team that was over the cap. At a minimum, Burks would have really helped them. You can't let the asset walk away for nothing.


Based on Brunson’s recent comments they could have likely kept him if they really tried to.

“I wanted that role of being with the Mavericks for the long haul of my career. I truly loved that place,” Brunson told Haynes. “I can’t say anything bad about Dallas, but obviously I wish things would’ve happened differently.”
Mavs remaining schedule:  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 10:53 pm : link
@Heat
@Atlanta (playing better w/Quin Snyder)
Sacramento
Chicago
San Antonio

Any chance they go 3-2? I think I’d sign up for that and take my chances.
Team can survive probably without Randle  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 10:53 pm : link
because of their defense and versatility bit teams with size will hurt them
RE: But they were moved prior to Brunson becoming a FA  
Enzo : 3/29/2023 10:54 pm : link
In comment 16078125 robbieballs2003 said:
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since the draft happens before FA in the NBA.

the Kemba trade was on draft night. Burks/Noel were moved like 1-2 days before free agency. And the Brunson to NY rumors were pretty loud even before that. Even after Brunson agreed to the contract with the Knicks, Dallas still could have tried to get in on the Detroit deal and made it a 3-way trade.

RE: Team can survive probably without Randle  
Enzo : 3/29/2023 10:58 pm : link
In comment 16078128 nygiants16 said:
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because of their defense and versatility bit teams with size will hurt them

You can't just lose an all-star who averages 25 and not miss a beat. Other players will have to step up and and provide scoring. But I wonder if the late game execution will get better.

And it's a nice opportunity for Obi to show he can be more than a spot up shooter.
RE: RE: Team can survive probably without Randle  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2023 10:59 pm : link
In comment 16078130 Enzo said:
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because of their defense and versatility bit teams with size will hurt them


You can't just lose an all-star who averages 25 and not miss a beat. Other players will have to step up and and provide scoring. But I wonder if the late game execution will get better.

And it's a nice opportunity for Obi to show he can be more than a spot up shooter.


Hart had some minutes at PF tonight.

May see some more of Sims.
RE: RE: But they were moved prior to Brunson becoming a FA  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2023 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16078129 Enzo said:
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since the draft happens before FA in the NBA.


the Kemba trade was on draft night. Burks/Noel were moved like 1-2 days before free agency. And the Brunson to NY rumors were pretty loud even before that. Even after Brunson agreed to the contract with the Knicks, Dallas still could have tried to get in on the Detroit deal and made it a 3-way trade.


I must not be remembering this correctly.
RE: RE: Team can survive probably without Randle  
nygiants16 : 3/29/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16078130 Enzo said:
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because of their defense and versatility bit teams with size will hurt them


You can't just lose an all-star who averages 25 and not miss a beat. Other players will have to step up and and provide scoring. But I wonder if the late game execution will get better.

And it's a nice opportunity for Obi to show he can be more than a spot up shooter.


Agreed!!
44-33 with five to play.  
bceagle05 : 3/29/2023 11:27 pm : link
Not too shabby. The current nine-man rotation is a 50+ win team if it stays reasonably healthy over 82 games, and there are still plenty of avenues to improve it.
If Thibs coaches like he did tonight  
Vanzetti : 3/30/2023 1:27 am : link
Knicks can
Make some noise in postseason

The guys who were playing well got the minutes.
Great win  
Stu11 : 3/30/2023 8:10 am : link
One thing about this team is they have moxie. They don't always play smart, they're awful on the fast break and they miss way too many makeable shots but they never quit, they're tough and it shows in their road record. It will be interesting to see them play without Randle for an extended period for the first time in like 4 years since he got here. I'd be shocked if he played at all the rest of the regular season, and I bet he's real iffy for the start of the playoffs. He could barely put any kind of weight on the ankle. That had the looks of a multi week injury.
RE: Great win  
nygiants16 : 3/30/2023 8:13 am : link
In comment 16078193 Stu11 said:
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One thing about this team is they have moxie. They don't always play smart, they're awful on the fast break and they miss way too many makeable shots but they never quit, they're tough and it shows in their road record. It will be interesting to see them play without Randle for an extended period for the first time in like 4 years since he got here. I'd be shocked if he played at all the rest of the regular season, and I bet he's real iffy for the start of the playoffs. He could barely put any kind of weight on the ankle. That had the looks of a multi week injury.


It will be interesting to see Friday how they matchup without Randle, i know regular season usually doesnt translate to postseason BUT if Knicks go small it will be interesting to see how cleveland matches up or do they just try to body the Knicks in the paint
Also some NBA stuff...  
Stu11 : 3/30/2023 8:23 am : link
I didn't realize the Bulls are probably gonna finish 10th. I thought they were done. My god the East play-in is gonna be a war. Miami, Toronto, Atlanta and the Bulls??? Wow. Congrats Miami. You didn't try too many games this year so if you finish 7th you get to see Vu, DeRozan and Lavine come into your building. They don't play D, and the Heat do but the 3 of them can combine for 70 points on any given night and no way Miami can match that fire power. Trey Young on a 1 and done or a brutally tough Toronto team are no picnic either. This was a great year to avoid the play-in.

Also Sacramento is back in the playoffs ending a 16 year drought. Anyone old enough to remember when Sacramento was good knows that's a great NBA town. For decades they sold out every night. It was sad what they had become. I'm really happy for them because they really have a great loyal fan base much like us Knicks fans.
That was an ugly win but also a great win.  
Heisenberg : 3/30/2023 8:24 am : link
There were a lot of ways that they could have let that game go last night but they dug in and out uglied the Heat. They seemed really tight last night in the first half and it seemed that, and not necessarily great Heat D, led to a lot of turnovers.

Really bad time for Randle to get hurt. They'll be fine the rest of the reg season but we really need Randle in round 1 of the playoffs. For all his faults, he is an offensive force. Brunson was rusty and so the only one who really had it going last night was Quickley. That might not be enough in the playoffs.
As the saying goes  
Spider43 : 3/30/2023 8:52 am : link
A blessing in disguise. Let's make it so!
RE: 44-33 with five to play.  
Enzo : 3/30/2023 9:05 am : link
In comment 16078137 bceagle05 said:
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Not too shabby. The current nine-man rotation is a 50+ win team if it stays reasonably healthy over 82 games, and there are still plenty of avenues to improve it.

should have been a 50 win team anyway if some of those horrific late game losses from earlier in the season go our way. Or even the recent losses to Charlotte and Minnesota.
Losing Randle is a big blow  
larryflower37 : 3/30/2023 9:25 am : link
And if it's a sprain it could be 2-4 weeks minimum.
Randle is a big part of this team and we don't win without him also Cleveland is a big team down low and would love to see a Randleless Knicks team
RE: Losing Randle is a big blow  
nygiants16 : 3/30/2023 9:33 am : link
In comment 16078249 larryflower37 said:
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And if it's a sprain it could be 2-4 weeks minimum.
Randle is a big part of this team and we don't win without him also Cleveland is a big team down low and would love to see a Randleless Knicks team


agreed with everything you said but on the other end Mobely then has to chase around Rj, Hart or Obi who likes to leak out
Randle's Injury is my fault...  
AG5686 : 3/30/2023 10:19 am : link
Let me explain,
I was thinking to myself why Thibs put Randle back in when he did in the 2nd Quarter.....I thought Obi was playing well,and lord knows Randle needed rest whenever possible.....no sooner did the thought cross my mind-BANG Randle sprains his ankle.
My bad
Why can't we have nice things?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 3/30/2023 5:44 pm : link
Just when it looks like the tide is turning we get a shit sandwich for lunch.
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