canha and alonso were the only 2 spots in the lineup without a hit. and canha actually hit a ball 108.2 mph which was literally harder than any ball he hit last year.
canha, vogelbach, escobar, narvaez extended the lineup, combined to draw 2 walks and hit 2 singles, and even though it's just game 1 against someone like alcantara that's notable.
but let's say the Angels immediately shit the bed and by June they're out of contention and likely not getting back into it.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
I think it's just Ohtani. And that's going to be interesting how that develops. If the Angels are out of it by July, there's some value in trading for him to hopefully sign and extension prior to him hitting FA.
I absolutely want them to keep Baty. And Alvarez as well, but I have to assume that the negotiations are going to start with Alvarez. Now, the Angels' #1 prospect, Logan O'Hoppe, just graduated to the bigs and he's a catcher. So if you're the Angels, one of them would have to play DH, I suppose, or get moved in a subsequent deal.
But I would trade Alvarez, Mauricio, Ramirez as a start to get Ohtani. Probably would need a little more, perhaps Vientos. But as for Baty, if they demand him in the return, I would wait until FA for Shohei.
Yeah, hard to argue with that. The Mets may be a little star crossed with injury luck, but this isn’t an example of that. It’s a very real possibility when you sign a 40-yr old pitcher.
canha, escobar, and vogey are all potentially in walk years
canha/escobar have team options but if the young guys are breaking through (and they spend 500m on ohtani) those probably get declined. narvaez has a player option too so spots will be there for the young guys when they want them.
any trade for ohtani + trout has to be considered. they are 2 of the best players in the sport, and arguably the 2 best. but very few teams can afford trout's 280m+ and extending Ohtani, and trout has a full ntc so it probably wont be the bidding war soto was. big return certainly or else they don't do it, but dont think the angels have the leverage to gut a system to that degree. tactically i think it would be simpler and they'd possibly get more by dealing them in separate trades because ohtani as a rental could have a very wide market and for trout there may only be a handful of teams he's willing to go and have interest.
you would think at this point it would be malpractice for ohtani's agent to allow him to extend before getting to a meeting with cohen but from the mets side i guess you have to view lad and some others as a threat and at least try to block someone getting the inside track on him at a rental price. and if separately trout were on the market and willing to come to nym, you'd have to also give that real consideration even if it's a big $ risk due to age/injury.
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but let's say the Angels immediately shit the bed and by June they're out of contention and likely not getting back into it.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
Maybe the Mets win the WS this year with a half season of Trout and Ohtani filling the DH role and pitching every 5th day.
If the Mets stay close to the break and the Angels shit the bed it's a bold move.
no doubt it's a lot, but the Mets don't have many lineup places for Baty, Vientos or even Maurico (in the infield). Parada slots in for Alvarez.
If the Mets don't at least strong-side platoon Baty at third by June 1st, I'd be really disappointed. Escobar would be a natural DH against lefties, something that this team could use, he'd probably be better in that spot over Pham.
RE: canha, escobar, and vogey are all potentially in walk years
canha/escobar have team options but if the young guys are breaking through (and they spend 500m on ohtani) those probably get declined. narvaez has a player option too so spots will be there for the young guys when they want them.
any trade for ohtani + trout has to be considered. they are 2 of the best players in the sport, and arguably the 2 best. but very few teams can afford trout's 280m+ and extending Ohtani, and trout has a full ntc so it probably wont be the bidding war soto was. big return certainly or else they don't do it, but dont think the angels have the leverage to gut a system to that degree. tactically i think it would be simpler and they'd possibly get more by dealing them in separate trades because ohtani as a rental could have a very wide market and for trout there may only be a handful of teams he's willing to go and have interest.
you would think at this point it would be malpractice for ohtani's agent to allow him to extend before getting to a meeting with cohen but from the mets side i guess you have to view lad and some others as a threat and at least try to block someone getting the inside track on him at a rental price. and if separately trout were on the market and willing to come to nym, you'd have to also give that real consideration even if it's a big $ risk due to age/injury.
I agree, there is zero chance Ohtani signs an extension before testing the FA market. Even if you offer him the biggest contract in FA, he’d probably get more on the open market.
canha, vogelbach, escobar, narvaez extended the lineup, combined to draw 2 walks and hit 2 singles, and even though it's just game 1 against someone like alcantara that's notable.
overall mets 12 hard hit balls to 5 for miami.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
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but let's say the Angels immediately shit the bed and by June they're out of contention and likely not getting back into it.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
I think it's just Ohtani. And that's going to be interesting how that develops. If the Angels are out of it by July, there's some value in trading for him to hopefully sign and extension prior to him hitting FA.
I absolutely want them to keep Baty. And Alvarez as well, but I have to assume that the negotiations are going to start with Alvarez. Now, the Angels' #1 prospect, Logan O'Hoppe, just graduated to the bigs and he's a catcher. So if you're the Angels, one of them would have to play DH, I suppose, or get moved in a subsequent deal.
But I would trade Alvarez, Mauricio, Ramirez as a start to get Ohtani. Probably would need a little more, perhaps Vientos. But as for Baty, if they demand him in the return, I would wait until FA for Shohei.
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but let's say the Angels immediately shit the bed and by June they're out of contention and likely not getting back into it.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
Maybe the Mets win the WS this year with a half season of Trout and Ohtani filling the DH role and pitching every 5th day.
If the Mets stay close to the break and the Angels shit the bed it's a bold move.
no doubt it's a lot, but the Mets don't have many lineup places for Baty, Vientos or even Maurico (in the infield). Parada slots in for Alvarez.
Yeah, hard to argue with that. The Mets may be a little star crossed with injury luck, but this isn’t an example of that. It’s a very real possibility when you sign a 40-yr old pitcher.
any trade for ohtani + trout has to be considered. they are 2 of the best players in the sport, and arguably the 2 best. but very few teams can afford trout's 280m+ and extending Ohtani, and trout has a full ntc so it probably wont be the bidding war soto was. big return certainly or else they don't do it, but dont think the angels have the leverage to gut a system to that degree. tactically i think it would be simpler and they'd possibly get more by dealing them in separate trades because ohtani as a rental could have a very wide market and for trout there may only be a handful of teams he's willing to go and have interest.
you would think at this point it would be malpractice for ohtani's agent to allow him to extend before getting to a meeting with cohen but from the mets side i guess you have to view lad and some others as a threat and at least try to block someone getting the inside track on him at a rental price. and if separately trout were on the market and willing to come to nym, you'd have to also give that real consideration even if it's a big $ risk due to age/injury.
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but let's say the Angels immediately shit the bed and by June they're out of contention and likely not getting back into it.
And they know Ohtani is likely gone, and you could acquire Trout and Ohtani as a package deal.
Would you trade:
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Ramirez
Mauricio
5 mostly top 100-ish prospects including Alvarez who is top 5 and Baty top 35.
Would you do it (with or without time to negotiate an Ohtani extension)?
Would it be enough to get the Angels to move them both?
sorry Pjac that's a no for me dog.
Why trade the moon while you can just spend 3 months later.
Maybe the Mets win the WS this year with a half season of Trout and Ohtani filling the DH role and pitching every 5th day.
If the Mets stay close to the break and the Angels shit the bed it's a bold move.
no doubt it's a lot, but the Mets don't have many lineup places for Baty, Vientos or even Maurico (in the infield). Parada slots in for Alvarez.
If the Mets don't at least strong-side platoon Baty at third by June 1st, I'd be really disappointed. Escobar would be a natural DH against lefties, something that this team could use, he'd probably be better in that spot over Pham.
any trade for ohtani + trout has to be considered. they are 2 of the best players in the sport, and arguably the 2 best. but very few teams can afford trout's 280m+ and extending Ohtani, and trout has a full ntc so it probably wont be the bidding war soto was. big return certainly or else they don't do it, but dont think the angels have the leverage to gut a system to that degree. tactically i think it would be simpler and they'd possibly get more by dealing them in separate trades because ohtani as a rental could have a very wide market and for trout there may only be a handful of teams he's willing to go and have interest.
you would think at this point it would be malpractice for ohtani's agent to allow him to extend before getting to a meeting with cohen but from the mets side i guess you have to view lad and some others as a threat and at least try to block someone getting the inside track on him at a rental price. and if separately trout were on the market and willing to come to nym, you'd have to also give that real consideration even if it's a big $ risk due to age/injury.
I agree, there is zero chance Ohtani signs an extension before testing the FA market. Even if you offer him the biggest contract in FA, he’d probably get more on the open market.