Jordan Raanan
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Giants continue to do homework on the draft’s top receivers. This time GM Joe Schoen and coach Brian Daboll had dinner last night with WR Quentin Johnston ahead of TCU’s Pro Day on Thursday, per source.
Johnston’s in the running to be the first WR selected in this year’s draft.
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How similar is Flowers to OBJ? I think Odell was a sturdier player physically.
One of them will drop to 25, or close enough to go get.
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Giants now had dinners with Johnston, BC’s Zay Flowers and Ohio State’s Jaxson Smith-Njigba before their Pro Days. USC’s Jordan Addison said last week they were the most recent team he’s heard from.
Follow the crumbs. Giants pick 25th overall in the first round.
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He's the intriguing WR for me along with Flowers.
How similar is Flowers to OBJ? I think Odell was a sturdier player physically.
I think it's the opposite, Flowers has some Deebo to him.
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He's the intriguing WR for me along with Flowers.
How similar is Flowers to OBJ? I think Odell was a sturdier player physically.
I think it's the opposite, Flowers has some Deebo to him.
Deebo weighs 215.. 40 lbs heavier...
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He's the intriguing WR for me along with Flowers.
How similar is Flowers to OBJ? I think Odell was a sturdier player physically.
I think it's the opposite, Flowers has some Deebo to him.
I see the Deebo analogy
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How similar is Flowers to OBJ? I think Odell was a sturdier player physically.
Flowers was playing around 165 in his senior season and probably needed a little *help* to clock in at 183 by combine weigh in. Concerning to me. Also, he'll be 23 by week 1 2023...not old by any means, but he's about 99% grown into his physical max.
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With gidie's photo link, yeah he looks solid. Got some bigger legs on him, too - compared to earlier photo.
He doesn’t play like Deebo though. Q is nowhere near as physical
On a slightly more serious note. Understand what this means. You do not take people like JSN and Johnston out to dinner because you're hoping that they somehow slip down to #25. Indeed, it seems pretty clear here that what the Giants are doing is plotting how they can get the BEST receiver they can get in this draft. That means in all likelihood they are asking themselves where they think each of those guys is likely to be taken, where would they have to move to ensure getting each guy, and what's going to be the cost to move to get each guy. Cause they're almost assuredly going to have to move. In the end it may be the Giants don't necessarily get the guy they want but the one that makes the most sense from a trade perspective to go an get.
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Watch him. If you're going to draft a 180 lbs WR, give me Flowers over Hyatt, Devonta, etc. He's built like a tank and has a better shot at NFL survival.
He doesn’t play like Deebo though. Q is nowhere near as physical
Sorry, I thought you were comparing QJ to Deebo. Flowers I get
I want nothing to do with QJ
That’s an insult to Metcalf. Metcalf uses his size and strength. QJ does not
Not all the boxes. He misses on an important one - hands. 14th worst drop rate in college football last year. How does that equate to being the best WR prospect in the draft?
But it is worth reading if any have not seen it.
Its from a former NFL scout that has some real questions about Quentin Johnson in Round 1
Probably most of us watched the Georgia/TCU game. Hard not remember what Georgia did to Johnson that night.
1 catch for 3 yards. A complete non factor.
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Still think Addison fits the giants system perfectly but theu may prefer Flowers or JSN ecause Addison's times were not where they were expected to be.
I think we are doing the work on CB and WR and will try to land the one closet to the top of their list by moving up.
Pretty funny. Drop issues "in college"? You seem to think they are going to disappear in the pros. He catches with his body. Like Slayton and Robinson. Watch his highlight videos. He uses his body on virtually every catch.
Without the drop issues in college he would be a top 5 pick? Every year there are probably 10 WRs who would be a top 5 pick if they could catch the ball consistently. It's kind of a key part of playing the position.
I wouldn't mind him if the draft falls that way. But I worry he becomes the WR version of Evan Engram. Great athlete who tantalizes you with glimpses of greatness with a spattering of balls bouncing off his hands, some into the waiting arms of DBS. No way do I think they should trade up for him.
And while the crossing route against Michigan was fantastic, it was more than wiped out by the 1 catch for zero yards performance against Georgia.
QJ may be the first WR taken or the 3rd or 4th depending on whose mock you are looking at. 3rd should be around 25.
On a slightly more serious note. Understand what this means. You do not take people like JSN and Johnston out to dinner because you're hoping that they somehow slip down to #25. Indeed, it seems pretty clear here that what the Giants are doing is plotting how they can get the BEST receiver they can get in this draft. That means in all likelihood they are asking themselves where they think each of those guys is likely to be taken, where would they have to move to ensure getting each guy, and what's going to be the cost to move to get each guy. Cause they're almost assuredly going to have to move. In the end it may be the Giants don't necessarily get the guy they want but the one that makes the most sense from a trade perspective to go an get.
Colin, do you think they realistically consider moving up? It would have to only be in the area of 20th without costing an arm and a leg. Looks like the Giants 1st and 3rd to get to 20(Seattle).
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Watch him. If you're going to draft a 180 lbs WR, give me Flowers over Hyatt, Devonta, etc. He's built like a tank and has a better shot at NFL survival.
He doesn’t play like Deebo though. Q is nowhere near as physical
That remark was regarding Zay Flowers.
On a slightly more serious note. Understand what this means. You do not take people like JSN and Johnston out to dinner because you're hoping that they somehow slip down to #25. Indeed, it seems pretty clear here that what the Giants are doing is plotting how they can get the BEST receiver they can get in this draft. That means in all likelihood they are asking themselves where they think each of those guys is likely to be taken, where would they have to move to ensure getting each guy, and what's going to be the cost to move to get each guy. Cause they're almost assuredly going to have to move. In the end it may be the Giants don't necessarily get the guy they want but the one that makes the most sense from a trade perspective to go an get.
On a slightly more serious note. Understand what this means. You do not take people like JSN and Johnston out to dinner because you're hoping that they somehow slip down to #25. Indeed, it seems pretty clear here that what the Giants are doing is plotting how they can get the BEST receiver they can get in this draft. That means in all likelihood they are asking themselves where they think each of those guys is likely to be taken, where would they have to move to ensure getting each guy, and what's going to be the cost to move to get each guy. Cause they're almost assuredly going to have to move. In the end it may be the Giants don't necessarily get the guy they want but the one that makes the most sense from a trade perspective to go an get.
Or, because the receiver rankings are in such flux this year, they are doing their due diligence on any of the top receivers who might end up there at 25. When you're picking at 5 you only have to interview 5 guys. When you're picking at 25 it's a whole lot different.
Of a fantasy football team.
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I wouldn’t even mind a trade up if they don’t have to give up anything crazy. If he didn’t have some drop issues in college he’d probably be a top 5 pick.
Pretty funny. Drop issues "in college"? You seem to think they are going to disappear in the pros. He catches with his body. Like Slayton and Robinson. Watch his highlight videos. He uses his body on virtually every catch.
Without the drop issues in college he would be a top 5 pick? Every year there are probably 10 WRs who would be a top 5 pick if they could catch the ball consistently. It's kind of a key part of playing the position.
I wouldn't mind him if the draft falls that way. But I worry he becomes the WR version of Evan Engram. Great athlete who tantalizes you with glimpses of greatness with a spattering of balls bouncing off his hands, some into the waiting arms of DBS. No way do I think they should trade up for him.
And while the crossing route against Michigan was fantastic, it was more than wiped out by the 1 catch for zero yards performance against Georgia.
It seemed Engram just ran in a straight line fast. QJ definitely is a better all around athlete, his explosion numbers were elite and looks it on tape. But yeah the hands...
I like DJ Turner - and wouldn't mind if he's there in the 2nd or 3rd round - but he took an awful, awful angle on that play.
QJ may be the first WR taken or the 3rd or 4th depending on whose mock you are looking at. 3rd should be around 25.
+1. Although JSN will almost certainly be long gone by #25, the Giants don't know which of the other WRs will still be available. So they have to talk to all of them. I don't think they trade more than a three to move up for anyone, Including a WR.
It never goes away. Been here since the beginning in '95, it never. Goes. Away.
Fill biggest perceived hole or else!
But it is worth reading if any have not seen it.
Its from a former NFL scout that has some real questions about Quentin Johnson in Round 1
Probably most of us watched the Georgia/TCU game. Hard not remember what Georgia did to Johnson that night.
1 catch for 3 yards. A complete non factor. Link - ( New Window )
That scouting report is actually more worrisome for comments not related to the last BCS championship game. That’s one game. But QJ was invisible against some second rate teams throughout his career.
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I wouldn’t even mind a trade up if they don’t have to give up anything crazy. If he didn’t have some drop issues in college he’d probably be a top 5 pick.
Pretty funny. Drop issues "in college"? You seem to think they are going to disappear in the pros. He catches with his body. Like Slayton and Robinson. Watch his highlight videos. He uses his body on virtually every catch.
Without the drop issues in college he would be a top 5 pick? Every year there are probably 10 WRs who would be a top 5 pick if they could catch the ball consistently. It's kind of a key part of playing the position.
I wouldn't mind him if the draft falls that way. But I worry he becomes the WR version of Evan Engram. Great athlete who tantalizes you with glimpses of greatness with a spattering of balls bouncing off his hands, some into the waiting arms of DBS. No way do I think they should trade up for him.
And while the crossing route against Michigan was fantastic, it was more than wiped out by the 1 catch for zero yards performance against Georgia.
It seemed Engram just ran in a straight line fast. QJ definitely is a better all around athlete, his explosion numbers were elite and looks it on tape. But yeah the hands...
Yep, Engram wasn't as good an athlete, but he was a TE. His athletic profile for tight ends compares favorably to Johnston's for receivers. Engram might even be more of an outliers when you look at it that way.
That's a very solid analysis on QJ. Well done.
I see a WR prospect with too many question marks to validate a day one investment. His value is better qualified as a late day two prospect.
Probably most of us watched the Georgia/TCU game. Hard not remember what Georgia did to Johnson that night.
1 catch for 3 yards. A complete non factor. Link - ( New Window )
I have to admit I missed this game but Georgia shuts down a lot of guys who end up being pretty good. There were quite a few people knocking Hutchinson in the draft last year because he wasn't a factor against them, but he ended being Rookie of the Year.
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That some people think the only option is picking at 25.
It never goes away. Been here since the beginning in '95, it never. Goes. Away.
Fill biggest perceived hole or else!
putting aside that 2020 was a shortened season where everyone's routine was disrupted and changed.
Sonny Dykes, the coach who led TCU to the NC game, took over in 2021 and has only coached there for one year in 2022.
Meachem, the previous TCU OC, coached under Gary Patterson who was more of a defensive guy.
And yes Georgia got aggressive with him. they could do so b/c they VASTLY out-talented TCU. There are Horned Frogs starters who struggle to crack to the 2nd string at Georgia, there's that big of a talent difference.
Not to mention Georgia having way more coaches and "analysts" who help the players on and off the field then TCU could ever dream of affording.
What a shit article.
Sure, you just have to temper expectations as to how far up. I could see NYG trading up a handful of spots in return for their #3 pick. I wouldn't expect them to move up into the top 15.