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NFT: Window Replacement

flapjack : 3/30/2023 11:09 am
Looking to get some windows replaced. I'm in the research phase so looking for some solid BBI insights.

Andersen and Pella seem to be the two major players in my budget range that offer the style i'm looking for. (stacked awning and fixed pane) Good consultation and installation services too...or so they say.

At first glance, Andersen has some good options/deals through their renewal program. (They're definitely pushing their fibrex windows.)

That said, I don't know much about this stuff. My father used to work for Tischler but if I had that kind of money I'd be doing a full teardown.
Anderson & Pella dealers are overpriced  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/30/2023 11:15 am : link
You can get the same windows installed by an independent window replacement company or a GC.
I put 15 Sierra Pacific windows in my house in Vermont  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/30/2023 11:15 am : link
Very happy with them. If I went with Anderson I could have afforded maybe 5 windows for the same price. Their prices are laughably high.
RE: I put 15 Sierra Pacific windows in my house in Vermont  
flapjack : 3/30/2023 11:18 am : link
In comment 16078373 Bold Ruler said:
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Very happy with them. If I went with Anderson I could have afforded maybe 5 windows for the same price. Their prices are laughably high.


I'm in Southern VT so that could be an option. Tell me more.
RE: RE: I put 15 Sierra Pacific windows in my house in Vermont  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/30/2023 11:43 am : link
In comment 16078377 flapjack said:
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In comment 16078373 Bold Ruler said:


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Very happy with them. If I went with Anderson I could have afforded maybe 5 windows for the same price. Their prices are laughably high.



I'm in Southern VT so that could be an option. Tell me more.


Yeah, the Renewal by Anderson program is so preposterously expensive, it literally made me angry. For 15 windows, they quote I got was about $70,000. I don't know who is willing to pay this, or why.

I ended up going with Acme Glass in Burlington. Got wood sash double pane windows, some are big, some are smaller. They did great work and the windows are now two years old and Im very happy with them. All in, I spent in the lows $20s installed.

I could have spent $50,000 on the name 'Anderson' but who gives an F? Sidenote, my house has an existing Anderson french door, was here when I bought the house. The door handle hardware is crappy and needs to be replaced. Because it's an Anderson door, Id have to go through them and I'm looking at $1,500 to replace the hardware for the handle. Anderson can go eat a bag of dicks as far as Im concerned.
Avoid Anderson  
UConn4523 : 3/30/2023 12:09 pm : link
other manufacturers have caught up on quality and when you resale, no one is going to care if it’s Anderson so you aren’t recouping the money.

Find a builder in your area that does a ton of windows and use them to order and install. You’ll be able to control costs much better.
RE: RE: RE: I put 15 Sierra Pacific windows in my house in Vermont  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/30/2023 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16078424 Bold Ruler said:
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Yeah, the Renewal by Anderson program is so preposterously expensive, it literally made me angry. For 15 windows, they quote I got was about $70,000. I don't know who is willing to pay this, or why.

I ended up going with Acme Glass in Burlington. Got wood sash double pane windows, some are big, some are smaller. They did great work and the windows are now two years old and Im very happy with them. All in, I spent in the lows $20s installed.

I could have spent $50,000 on the name 'Anderson' but who gives an F? Sidenote, my house has an existing Anderson french door, was here when I bought the house. The door handle hardware is crappy and needs to be replaced. Because it's an Anderson door, Id have to go through them and I'm looking at $1,500 to replace the hardware for the handle. Anderson can go eat a bag of dicks as far as Im concerned.

Yeah, the Anderson or Pella branded replacement window places are a ripoff. But you don’t have to use them to get their windows and doors. We had 17 Pella wood clad windows installed by an independent and it was only $20,000.

Look for an independent that deals in Anderson to get your door repaired.
I did mine a few years back.  
Beer Man : 3/30/2023 12:24 pm : link
I found Andersen Renewal to be ridiculously priced. The salesman’s opening quote was $84K, when I told him to leave he immediately backed it down to the low $40K’s. I did a lot of research and found Marvin composite windows to be rated as high or higher than the Andersen fiberx, and 40% to 50% less than the lowest price Andersen quoted me for fibrex.
A few other options easier on wallet:  
3000_MilesToMeadowlands : 3/30/2023 12:27 pm : link
Milgard - very happy with these, I got vinyl (Tuscany Series) - but it rarely gets below 40 degrees here (Southern Cal - OC).

Simonton - also decent and affordable

What everybody else said is true - get an independent window installer that usually will put in whatever you want at a reasonable price. 15+ windows was like ~ $15k-$17k.
I've got Andersen coming on Saturday  
flapjack : 3/30/2023 12:50 pm : link
Best to get the worst case scenario out of the way first, I guess. I'll definitely learn some something.
I do have a guy who can do the installation if I buy the windows directly so ultimately will probably end up going that route once I zero in on the product.
Thanks for all of the info. Keep it coming!
Get several quotes…  
Chris in Philly : 3/30/2023 12:51 pm : link
as some of these window guys are outright hucksters.
I recommend going to a local lumberyard or supplier  
Mellowmood92 : 3/30/2023 1:04 pm : link
as others have pointed out, not a big-box if you can avoid it. They can likely give you some good product recommendations and can also probably recommend a good installer / contractor.
Pay attention to the glass you are getting,  
gtt350 : 3/30/2023 1:20 pm : link
Just like eyeglasses you can get anti glare and/or sun inhibiting glass that will reflect on your a/c bill
RE: Avoid Anderson  
Joe Beckwith : 3/30/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16078440 UConn4523 said:
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other manufacturers have caught up on quality and when you resale, no one is going to care if it’s Anderson so you aren’t recouping the money.

Find a builder in your area that does a ton of windows and use them to order and install. You’ll be able to control costs much better.


+1.
I guess the most important question  
VTChuck : 3/30/2023 1:46 pm : link
to ask: why are you replacing the windows?

Do your existing windows have problems like rotting sills, don't work properly, fogged panes or other serious issues?

Or are you looking for energy efficiency?

If the answer is #2, understand that you will likely not live long enough to recoup your investment.

Weatherstripping, Inside storms, Thermal curtains, etc. are low cost solutions that will give you more bang for your buck. And as a Vermonter, low-cost energy audits are available. Good luck
I had my windows replaced in 2021.  
aimrocky : 3/30/2023 2:29 pm : link
Luckily, right before the inflation spike. I live in SW CT, so pricing will obviously vary based on your area. My quote with Pella was $40k all in on 26 windows and the front door.

I hired a local GC and went with Harvey Windows. My all in price was about $15k.
Simonton  
nochance : 3/30/2023 2:35 pm : link
Installed Simonton Prism platinum casements back in 2008 and they were still like new when I sold my house in Florida in 2021. I paid $495 per window including installation. The Quote I received from Anderson for their Renewal windows was over $2000 per window. I lost the receipt for the windows and my bank no longer had a copy of the check I paid with but Simonton looked it up and gave the new owner a continuation of the lifetime warranty
RE: I guess the most important question  
flapjack : 3/30/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16078544 VTChuck said:
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to ask: why are you replacing the windows?

Do your existing windows have problems like rotting sills, don't work properly, fogged panes or other serious issues?

Or are you looking for energy efficiency?

If the answer is #2, understand that you will likely not live long enough to recoup your investment.

Weatherstripping, Inside storms, Thermal curtains, etc. are low cost solutions that will give you more bang for your buck. And as a Vermonter, low-cost energy audits are available. Good luck


#1 For sure. I live on top of a hill with 270 degree exposure so these have been worked pretty hard over the last 2o+ years. They leak, don't open, are rotting. I've done the energy audit, insulation upgrades etc. The house has had all water damage repaired and been painted since we bought 3 years ago. I sealed the problem windows up pretty well as a short term fix but the best solution is definitely replacement. Luckily the only major issues are in 3 west-facing windows and one in a nook that creates a severe wind/snow eddy. It's not a massive project but definitely on top of the priority list.
Pella is the best option.  
Giant John : 3/30/2023 4:41 pm : link
Marvin is worth a consideration. Anderson is for a customer that does not chew what they pay.
Autospell  
Giant John : 3/30/2023 4:43 pm : link
Care not chew.
RE: Anderson & Pella dealers are overpriced  
Bubba : 4/1/2023 10:13 am : link
In comment 16078372 Jim in Fairfax said:
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You can get the same windows installed by an independent window replacement company or a GC.


This plus 1.
A reputable local contractor is always your best bet. We had our windows and doors replaced over 20 years ago and the lifetime warranty is no joke. They have been back about 5 times since due to minor issues and they were repaired with no charge. To these guys their lively hoods depend on reputation.
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