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The true Giants legacy with the #0

truebluelarry : 3/30/2023 11:18 am
Don't believe everything you read on the internet (and other places)!

Yesterday's announcement that Paris Campbell would wear the newly released number 0 stirred a flurry of misinformation yesterday, and I'd like to clear it up once and for all (and check another of my pet peeves off the list).

Depending on where you get your information from, you may be under the misconception that Campbell will be the first Giant player to wear the #0 since 1945.

This is not true.

Willis Smith, the diminutive back of the 1934 World Champion Giants, was the last Giant to do so.

Before I lay out the evidence of my fact-finding mission, here's a little number history of the early Giants.

Long before pro football's first numbering system was implemented (the 1946 AAFC) numbering was up to each individual team and mostly random. While players routinely wore low numbers ranging from #1 through the 20s, it was mostly random and anybody could pretty much wear whatever they wanted.

The Giants had a unique quirk to their issuance of a couple of numbers in the 1920s and early 1930s.

First, the #1 was bestowed upon players that were thought to have some star quality and gate attraction. The #1 was worn by Hinkey Haines in 1925, Jack McBride 1926-28, Benny Friedman 1929-31 and Ray Flaherty 1932-35. After Flaherty playing career ended the Giants retired the #1 in his honor, and were the first American pro sports team to retire a number for a player [the Toronto Maple Leafs retired #6 for Ace Bailey in 1934].

In 1946 the Giants unretired the #1 for the final two seasons of longtime stalwart, team captain and Steve Owen favorite Frank Cope. No Giants has worn #1 since Cope in 1947.

The #0 has a slightly different, though no less significant, distinction for New York, somewhat akin to the tongue-in-cheek "Lowsman Trophy" for "Mr. Irrelevant", the last player selected in the college draft.

The #0 was issued to bottom-of-the-roster subs or mid-season acquisitions. The first Giant to wear #0 was Phil White who was signed late in the season. Believe it or not, in his first game he didn't even have a number, he wore a blank jersey! He was issued the #0 for the remainder of the season, and after a tour of duty in the AFL in 1926, wore it again for the full 1927 season with the Giants. White is the only player to wear #0 for more than one season.

Here's the full list of the Giants who wore the #0 with the Giants:

Phil White (Back) 1925, '27
Walt Koppisch (Wingback) 1926
Ox Eckhardt (Fullback) 1928
Hap Moran (Back) 1928
Danny McMullen (Guard) 1929
Ted Bucklin (Guard) 1931
Lee Mulleneaux (Back) 1932
Red Russell (Back) 1933
Willis Smith (Quarterback) 1934

While most of those listed above were marginal players with short careers, Hap Moran was a top-notch performer who enjoyed a productive career in New York. Another late-season pickup, he was given the #0 for his one game with the Giants. For the remainder of this Giants career spanning 1929-33 he wore the more dignified #s 48 & 22.

Willis Smith was a somewhat different case as well. He was more of a luxury player on a deep and talented roster. While a small player, even for the early 1930s, he was fast and possessed some big-play potential. Since this was a single-platoon era and free substitution over 20 in the future, the Giants would put him in the game near the end of a quarter when they had the ball in favorable field position, hoping for a chance at a quick score. Smith's small size (he was typically listed around 145-150lbs) made him too much of a liability to play on defense.



Since Smith's retirement, no Giant has worn the #0.

Here's the evidence from my research:

Pro Football Reference erroneously lists Lou Eaton as having worn #0 for the Giants in 1945.

I have no idea why this is the case, there is plenty of source material showing him as having worn the #70. Given that the site has a lot of traffic, I'm assuming this is where most people get their information - but it is not always accurate. [personal aside, I've made many contributions over the years to PFR regarding early box scores with data I've collected from newspaper archives. I had a great contact there who left a few years ago and the current regime seems uninterested in outside help unfortunately].



the lesser know, but more reliable, Pro Football Archives lists Eaton with his proper #70.



How do we know PFA is correct and PFR in error?

First, the Pittsburgh Sun-Telegraph wisely printed both teams complete rosters with player numbers the day of the season's first game on 10/7. Eaton is listed with #70.



The next week game, and Eaton's last in the NFL, we see him listed with the #70 in the game program for the Giants contest with the Boston/New York Yanks on 10/14.



Need further proof?

Here's a training camp photo of Eaton wearing the #70 on his jersey, courtesy of the NY Daily News.



Still, I have no doubt that when the season begins and the games are televised commentators here and there are going to make note of players wearing the #0 on the field for the first times since whenever the particular teams playing happened to remove it from circulation.

When its during a Giants game and they say it last happened in 1945, you can impress your friends and family by saying, "no, that's not true! Willis Smith was the last Giant to wear the #0 in 1934!"

;)

One thing I forgot to mention  
truebluelarry : 3/30/2023 11:22 am : link
No Giant has ever worn the double-zero, "00".
If that ever comes to past, it will be a first.
Once 0 and 00 become old hat  
stoneman : 3/30/2023 11:37 am : link
someone is going to ask for "007" - bank on it
Good stuff!  
giantsfaninphilly : 3/30/2023 11:42 am : link
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RE: Once 0 and 00 become old hat  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16078412 stoneman said:
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someone is going to ask for "007" - bank on it


lol
Larry - I really admire your ability to research but what did you mean  
Ivan15 : 3/30/2023 12:34 pm : link
With regard to Willis Smith and “free substitution in the 20”
RE: Larry - I really admire your ability to research but what did you mean  
Ivan15 : 3/30/2023 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16078464 Ivan15 said:
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With regard to Willis Smith and “free substitution in the 20”
__________________
I mean “free substitution over 20”
RE: Larry - I really admire your ability to research but what did you mean  
truebluelarry : 3/30/2023 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16078464 Ivan15 said:
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With regard to Willis Smith and “free substitution in the 20”


Aha!

That should've read: "with free substitution over 20 years in the future."

I need an editor for my posts!

That practice began on a temporary basis during the WWII years as a means to cope with the man shortage and smaller rosters. It was permanently implemented in 1950 with the AAFC merger.
Larry - Great stuff !  
Red Dog : 3/30/2023 1:12 pm : link
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Thank you, Larry  
MadPlaid : 3/30/2023 1:17 pm : link
Your contributions to this site are the best.
See - centers taller than their QB is a thing...  
D HOS : 3/30/2023 1:29 pm : link
Seriously though, this is really interesting stuff.
solid research....  
BCD : 3/30/2023 1:49 pm : link
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thanks, Larry - great stuff as always -  
Del Shofner : 3/30/2023 3:27 pm : link
interesting that there were 3 Zags on the '34 team. Did the Maras have some connection to Gonzaga in those days?
RE: thanks, Larry - great stuff as always -  
truebluelarry : 3/30/2023 3:31 pm : link
In comment 16078648 Del Shofner said:
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interesting that there were 3 Zags on the '34 team. Did the Maras have some connection to Gonzaga in those days?

Mel Hein & Ray Flaherty were both from the Pacific Northwest, so they were the likely connection.
Awesome Larry  
Matt in SGS : 3/30/2023 3:36 pm : link
best Giants historian around.
The NFL needs to go to hexadecimal numbers  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/30/2023 4:09 pm : link
All the wideouts would fight each other to see who could have #AF

Of course it was Will Smith.  
Pete in MD : 3/30/2023 4:18 pm : link
That guy can do everything (except satisfy his wife apparently.)
Of course it was Will Smith.  
Pete in MD : 3/30/2023 4:21 pm : link
That guy can do everything (except satisfy his wife apparently.)
Comedy Central  
thrunthrublue : 3/30/2023 4:55 pm : link
John Leguizamo commented that the jets will be allowing a uniformed zero on the roster, and will continue to post zeroes on their scoreboard……
true blue as usual  
bluefin : 3/30/2023 5:11 pm : link
Thanks Larry
RE: One thing I forgot to mention  
Ralph.C : 3/30/2023 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16078382 truebluelarry said:
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No Giant has ever worn the double-zero, "00".
If that ever comes to past, it will be a first.


Thank you Larry! Your post is informative and well written. Do you write professionally?

We had a QB who was 5’ 6” tall and 148 lbs? Can you imagine that today?
Fantastic Job  
Chef : 3/30/2023 8:33 pm : link
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Yeesh  
Spider43 : 3/30/2023 11:13 pm : link
A 5'6" quarterback? To (kinda') quote Virginia Slims,

We've come a long way, baby.
Thanks Larry!  
lawguy9801 : 3/30/2023 11:24 pm : link
In that last picture, did it really mean to say that Lou Eaton was a 30-year old rookie? Or am I misunderstanding?
RE: Thanks Larry!  
truebluelarry : 3/31/2023 5:03 am : link
In comment 16078914 lawguy9801 said:
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In that last picture, did it really mean to say that Lou Eaton was a 30-year old rookie? Or am I misunderstanding?


Yes, he was born in 1915. He spent time in the army after college, which was common for young men at that time during WWII. Many pro players had their careers interrupted with military service as well.
RE: RE: One thing I forgot to mention  
truebluelarry : 3/31/2023 5:05 am : link
In comment 16078781 Ralph.C said:
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In comment 16078382 truebluelarry said:


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No Giant has ever worn the double-zero, "00".
If that ever comes to past, it will be a first.



Thank you Larry! Your post is informative and well written. Do you write professionally?

We had a QB who was 5’ 6” tall and 148 lbs? Can you imagine that today?


Thanks. Other than writing a bunch of articles for BBI [see the History section] I don't have much experience. I tried writing a book a few years ago and drew interest from a publisher but it ended up never going through.
I grabbed some photos of Giants wearing #0  
truebluelarry : 3/31/2023 10:23 am : link
Ox Eckhardt

11/11/28 Giants vs Detroit Wolverines at the Polo Grounds
That's Benny Friedman running with the ball for Detroit, he'd be a Giant in 1929.

Danny McMullen

10/20/29 Giants vs Frankford Yellow Jackets at the Polo Grounds

Lee Mulleneaux

posing for a candid photo at practice in the Polo grounds during 1932

Willis Smith

showing off the height disparity with Mel Hein during training camp in 1934

Found another  
truebluelarry : 3/31/2023 11:06 am : link
Ted Bucklin

1931 Giants team photo
Quite  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2023 12:21 pm : link
the effort! Good read. Thanks
Some great photos  
Carson53 : 3/31/2023 1:34 pm : link
good stuff. I remember Willie too, LOL.
anyone else notice that the Giants' 'trainer' on the 10/14/45 program  
Del Shofner : 3/31/2023 4:20 pm : link
reproduced above is Gus Mauch? Gus Mauch was the trainer for the Yankees during the great Casey Stengel years of the late '40s and '50s, then followed Casey to the Mets in '62. His last year was the Met's championship year in '69.

I hadn't thought about Gus Mauch in years, but he was a familiar figure when I was a kid following the Yankees and later, to some extent, the Mets. I can't find confirmation in his obits that he worked for the Giants too, but it must be the same guy as he was already active in NY sports by the time of that program. Joined the Yanks shortly after that.
RE: anyone else notice that the Giants' 'trainer' on the 10/14/45 program  
mjmoran : 4/1/2023 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16079308 Del Shofner said:
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reproduced above is Gus Mauch? Gus Mauch was the trainer for the Yankees during the great Casey Stengel years of the late '40s and '50s, then followed Casey to the Mets in '62. His last year was the Met's championship year in '69.

I hadn't thought about Gus Mauch in years, but he was a familiar figure when I was a kid following the Yankees and later, to some extent, the Mets. I can't find confirmation in his obits that he worked for the Giants too, but it must be the same guy as he was already active in NY sports by the time of that program. Joined the Yanks shortly after that.


It is the same guy. I can't seem to insert this photo but here's a link to a picture of Gus Mauch with Ken Strong in 1939


Gus Mauch and Ken strong 1939 - ( New Window )
Found one more  
truebluelarry : 4/2/2023 7:40 am : link
Lee Mulleneaux

Giants at Boston Braves 10/9/32
RE: anyone else notice that the Giants' 'trainer' on the 10/14/45 program  
mjmoran : 4/2/2023 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16079308 Del Shofner said:
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reproduced above is Gus Mauch? Gus Mauch was the trainer for the Yankees during the great Casey Stengel years of the late '40s and '50s, then followed Casey to the Mets in '62. His last year was the Met's championship year in '69.

I hadn't thought about Gus Mauch in years, but he was a familiar figure when I was a kid following the Yankees and later, to some extent, the Mets. I can't find confirmation in his obits that he worked for the Giants too, but it must be the same guy as he was already active in NY sports by the time of that program. Joined the Yanks shortly after that.


Gus Mauch and Ken Strong 1939

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