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Roster Limits, Cap, QB Contracts, CBA

EJNNJ : 4/1/2023 8:41 am
Given the spike in QB contracts recent years as percentage of the cap I think both players and owners have to be thinking about revisiting the CBA early...

Roster Limits: Increasing the active roster to(60?) which would allow teams to retain and develop players, develop a bench and alleviate some supply demand imbalance for starting capable players. QBs,OL,WR etc

Cap: Would obviously need to go up to accommodate the increase in players but it would be spread out and have a lower % concentration risk in one player(QB) given the breadth of roster

QB Contracts: Will be what they will be but having the ability to carry 3 and develop 2 capable backups help clubs and the league from a contract negotiation standpoint and insurance for concussion protocol situations.

CBA: Dare they reopen to adjust the above? Not sure about this one as owners making a ton but there are a few teams that are going to run into massive cap problems thanks to stupid moves (Browns being one) that may push this idea
I don't believe that the CBA sets a limit on team size.  
Marty in Albany : 4/1/2023 8:54 am : link
If the NFL wanted squads of 60 players they could do that on their own, if they wanted to. The CBA might prevent reduction in team size, but would certainly prevent any reduction in the players' percentage of profits that results in the size of the cap.
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christian : 4/1/2023 9:19 am : link
There's a bit of moral hazard in this and I hope both sides are wise enough to resist adjusting the CBA.

A generation of rules favoring the QB has created some market disruption, but I believe it will work itself out.

My guess is Baltimore letting Jackson walk, and Tyler Huntley filling in adequately would be the type of thing to shock the market back in place.
I would assume they start negotiating  
mfjmfj : 4/1/2023 10:07 am : link
well in advance of the end date of the CBA and are probably in contact even now. The issue that really matters is the cap itself - that there is one and the percentage of revenue that goes to the players (including how revenue is calculated). Everything else is window dressing, especially from the owners' point of view. If players want different balance/bigger rosters/different practice rules, etc., the owners only care to the extent that it lets them bargain down the salary cap. If the roster size changes, there is no chance that it means an automatic increase in the percentage of revenue that goes to salary cap. Whether the roster cap is 65 or 53 the owners' shouldn't care as long as all teams are bound by it. The only other hill I could see the owners dying on would be guaranteed contracts. That would be a game changer.
I would guess that the NFL will try to put  
Section331 : 4/1/2023 10:12 am : link
some kind of mechanism in the next CBA to slow down rocketing QB salaries, something along the lines of “no player can account for more than x% of the cap”. Whether the NFLPA would go along with that is another story.
I think the post Covid practice squad rules are working just fine for  
Ivan15 : 4/1/2023 10:49 am : link
player development. I would like to see them bring back the emergency QB who could be brought in only in the 4th Quarter and regardless of whether the other QBs are still available. In other words, no restrictions on use of the emergency QB but only in the 4th quarter.
Send your idea along with a check to the NFL  
ZogZerg : 4/1/2023 12:18 pm : link
Cap goes up, QB contracts go up and NFL teams are in same situation.
Well,  
ConsistentGiantFan : 4/1/2023 2:44 pm : link
The unknown factor is the attitude of the average fan (game attendant and TV).

How much do they value the athletic performance of the players allowing them to tolerate the endless TV commercials during the game and the ticket, concession, parking, team merchandise cost.

There is a limit in there somewhere. Both owners and players should be aware of this fact
I think you are already seeing a leveling off of QB money  
Rudy5757 : 4/1/2023 9:52 pm : link
None of the QBs this off-season set the market. Lamar is not getting the money he wants so there is a standoff. It will work itself out, no need to put a cap on WB salaries.

As for the roster, I think the current system is good. They don’t want teams stock piling talent on the roster so that’s why the limit is good.
RE: ...  
JoeSchoens11 : 4/1/2023 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16079643 christian said:
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There's a bit of moral hazard in this and I hope both sides are wise enough to resist adjusting the CBA.

A generation of rules favoring the QB has created some market disruption, but I believe it will work itself out.

My guess is Baltimore letting Jackson walk, and Tyler Huntley filling in adequately would be the type of thing to shock the market back in place.
I’m outraged by this slight to Huntley. I mean he is a reigning pro bowler!

(Though minimum qualifications for the pro bowl may be something to address in the next cba)
RE: Well,  
ElitoCanton : 4/1/2023 9:59 pm : link
Football is the only pro sport where ratings keep going up and up. And therefore tv contracts go up and up. There is no evidence the average fan is going away anytime soon.

In comment 16079855 ConsistentGiantFan said:
Quote:
The unknown factor is the attitude of the average fan (game attendant and TV).

How much do they value the athletic performance of the players allowing them to tolerate the endless TV commercials during the game and the ticket, concession, parking, team merchandise cost.

There is a limit in there somewhere. Both owners and players should be aware of this fact
RE: I think you are already seeing a leveling off of QB money  
OBJRoyal : 4/2/2023 4:59 am : link
In comment 16080037 Rudy5757 said:
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None of the QBs this off-season set the market. Lamar is not getting the money he wants so there is a standoff. It will work itself out, no need to put a cap on WB salaries.

As for the roster, I think the current system is good. They don’t want teams stock piling talent on the roster so that’s why the limit is good.


there is still time THIS offseason for guys like Herbert and Burrow to reset the QB market though
The CBA is never going to be a panacea  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/2/2023 11:32 am : link
it is the product of give and take - where both the union and the owners have their own priorities. It is the result of compromise on what each side values the most. Overall logic, and what's best for the game, has nothing to do with it.
the NFL has it's share  
Enzo : 4/2/2023 11:45 am : link
of issues but it's CBA/cap function the best out of all the major sports IMO. Not having a cap on individual salaries means talent is distributed throughout the league to large and small markets. You can get yourself into cap hell, but you can get yourself out of it quicker than other sports. The players who are productive and contributing get paid. Those who are not eventually get cut.
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