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Draft value "sleepers"

allstarjim : 4/1/2023 12:43 pm
Discussion on possible Day 3 picks that you like to outperform their draft spots.

I'll start with a few of mine:

Chase Brown, RB, Illinois - Compact guy at 209 lbs and 5'9", but ridiculous athleticism and balance. Over 1600 yards rushing and almost 1900 scrimmage yards last year. Big 10" hands and didn't fumble a single time in his collegiate career, over 676 carries. 4.43 40 time at the combine, and a vert of 40".

Jartavius Martin, S, Illinois - Identified by Sy'56 on the Giants Insider podcast as a guy who could potentially fill the Julian Love role. Tomorrow is the scheduled release of Sy's safety preview (can't wait!), so we'll soon see a more comprehensive write-up on him. 5'11", 194 lbs, he's fast and explosive. Three INTs, 11 passes defensed, and 2 forced fumbles last year. Martin ran a 4.46 at the combine, with an outstanding 1.47 10-yard split and ridiculous 44" vert. 132 tackles last season, with 8.5 for loss and 5 sacks, to go with 2 INTs, 7 passes defensed, and 2 forced fumbles.

Jakorian Bennett, CB, Maryland - Not sure what's in the water in Maryland, but another tremendous athlete. 5'11", 188 lbs, Bennett ran a 4.3 40, 1.48 10-yard split, 40.5" vert, 11'1" broad. Bennett had 2 picks and 11 PDs last season.

Braeden Daniels, IOL, Utah - The 6'4", 294 lb Daniels will need to work on some bulk and strength, but he has good feet and wingspan at 33". He started early at LG for Utah before moving to left tackle.

Davis Allen, TE, Clemson - Not a tremendous athlete, but did post a 38.5" vert at the combine, 4.84 40. But Lance Zierlein described him as a "human vaccuum", the ball skills are special, aided by big 10" hands. He'll need to work on increasing his strength and base, filling out his frame, to hold up in the blocking game. Steady contributor at Clemson and big target, 6'6", 245 lbs.

Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane - Love the size/physical profile and athleticism of this prospect. 6'1", 228 lbs, almost a 34" wingspan, and 10 1/4" hands. He ran a 4.49 40 with a 1.54 split at the combine. Williams had great production, 132 tackles, 8.5 for loss, with 5 sacks, with 2 INTs, 7 passes defensed, and 2 forced fumbles. I love the fact that he made plays behind the line of scrimmage, something Sy also mentioned in the Giants Insider podcast...linebackers making plays behind the line of scrimmage translates well to the next level.

Add your own guys and feel free to discuss.

Zach Harrison...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/1/2023 12:48 pm : link
...Olu Oluwatimi
Have to be careful  
Mike in NY : 4/1/2023 1:00 pm : link
Don't want to spoil some of my secrets for BBI Mock Draft. I don't trust some of you mongoes! Needless to say I expect to pick up a number of them. For those participating in the Mock Draft, at least one is not even on the list of ~490 names on the Google Sheet.
I like Chase Brown  
Johnny5 : 4/1/2023 1:17 pm : link
He reminds me a lot of Ahmad Bradshaw.
Two WRs to start  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/1/2023 1:18 pm : link
Michael Jefferson (6'3 3/4", 199lbs, 4.56/40), Jake Bobo (6'5", 206lbs)

OL -- Ricky Stromberg, OC Arkansas, Asim Richards OG, UNC
the Giants were at Stomberg's  
Dave on the UWS : 4/1/2023 1:54 pm : link
pro-day, he's not flying under their radar!
If we don't go EDGE early  
Mike in NY : 4/1/2023 2:02 pm : link
BJ Thompson of Stephen F. Austin is intriguing with one of our many 7th Round picks. There are some Round 6 or 7 QB's that also interest me.
A couple of sleepers I like  
mavric : 4/1/2023 2:03 pm : link
TE Zack Kuntz who blew up the combine (ranked first in nearly every category.
TE Payne Durham who looked like a rising star in the Reese's Senior Bowl.

Could also add:
ER Lonnie Phelps (Kansas), tenacity and motor that never quits. In six games this year, he had six sacks and 8.5 TFLs.
DT Moro Ojomo (Texas) just a monster against the run game, his specialty.
DT Brodric Martin (Western Kentucky ) a monster mountain man called a "discount version of Jordan Davis."
LB Dorian Williams (Tulane) "...was one of the best in the nation, allowing just 18 receptions for 156 yards, a 64.1 QBR and zero touchdowns".
LB DeMarvion Overshown (Texas Longhorns) although, not so much a sleeper lately.
WR Puka Nacua (BYU ) tall, strong, and insanely competitive. Likes to get involved in defense when not the target and loves hitting people. Reminds me of what Josh Hart has done for the Knicks in attitude and all out, all the time doing whatever it takes for the team to win.
Also...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/1/2023 2:07 pm : link
...Andrei Iosivas
Good write-up Jim,  
Section331 : 4/1/2023 2:19 pm : link
but I don’t see Martin as a viable option. Wink wants his safeties to be interchangeable in that they can play in coverage or in the box. Martin is pretty small, I see him as strictly a FS.
I’ll add  
Earl the goat : 4/1/2023 2:24 pm : link
Luke Schoonmaker TE
Julius Brents
Roschon Johnson
Keaton Mitchell
Keondre Coburn
Max Duggan. My guess is Max Duggan will be this years Brock Purdy
Tank Dell isn't so much a sleeper but it wouldnt surprise me if  
Eric on Li : 4/1/2023 2:34 pm : link
he ends up being the desean jackson of this draft and gets picked later than others just because of his size. as a 2nd or 3rd round pick i think he's going to be a steal. he has all of robinson's elusiveness separating but much better Wr instincts. he's just smaller, but he's basically the same weight as desean jackson and hollywood brown.
RE: Good write-up Jim,  
allstarjim : 4/1/2023 2:42 pm : link
In comment 16079837 Section331 said:
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but I don’t see Martin as a viable option. Wink wants his safeties to be interchangeable in that they can play in coverage or in the box. Martin is pretty small, I see him as strictly a FS.


Watch some tape. He can hit. Numbers are eerily similar to Love at ND, too. And in fact, the physical profile is nearly identical. Both 5'11", Love weighed in at 195 at the combine, Martin 194. Love a touch bigger wingspan, Martin 5/8ths bigger hands.

Martin tested much better at the combine, though. I know Love was drafted in the previous regime, and Wink inherited him, but again, the physical profile between the two are strikingly similar.
RE: I’ll add  
SirLoinOfBeef : 4/1/2023 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16079840 Earl the goat said:
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Luke Schoonmaker TE
Julius Brents
Roschon Johnson
Keaton Mitchell
Keondre Coburn
Max Duggan. My guess is Max Duggan will be this years Brock Purdy


Breants might develop into a fine CB in the league. Great tackler.
RE: the Giants were at Stomberg's  
k2tampa : 4/1/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16079819 Dave on the UWS said:
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pro-day, he's not flying under their radar!


The Giants are at virtually every pro day, with larger contingents at the major conference schools. Of course they were at the Arkansas pro day.
Good list  
gameday555 : 4/1/2023 4:10 pm : link
For me --

Jay Ward, S, LSU
Kyu Blu Kelly, CB, Stanford
Mike Morris, EDGE, Michigan -- though I think he'd be best served putting on weight and moving inside.
Jarren Hall, QB, BYU
Isaiah Moore, LB, NC State
Charlie Jones, WR, Purdue
Josh Whyle, TE, Cincinnati
QB  
Hilary : 4/1/2023 5:28 pm : link
Aiden O’Connell QB Purdue if you can get
get him day 3
RE: Good list  
Brown_Hornet : 4/1/2023 8:25 pm : link
In comment 16079888 gameday555 said:
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For me --

Jay Ward, S, LSU
Kyu Blu Kelly, CB, Stanford
Mike Morris, EDGE, Michigan -- though I think he'd be best served putting on weight and moving inside.
Jarren Hall, QB, BYU
Isaiah Moore, LB, NC State
Charlie Jones, WR, Purdue
Josh Whyle, TE, Cincinnati
I liked Morris coming out but he struggled at the combine.
A move inside might be a good idea.
Mingo  
knowledgetimmons : 4/1/2023 9:37 pm : link
Mingo…

Mingo…

Say it with me…Mingo
RE: Mingo  
gameday555 : 4/1/2023 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16080034 knowledgetimmons said:
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Mingo…

Mingo…

Say it with me…Mingo


He's good. BTW, file away the name Dayton Wade for next year. WR from Ole Miss who jumped out big time while watching Mingo.
RE: RE: Mingo  
knowledgetimmons : 4/2/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16080050 gameday555 said:
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In comment 16080034 knowledgetimmons said:


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Mingo…

Mingo…

Say it with me…Mingo



He's good. BTW, file away the name Dayton Wade for next year. WR from Ole Miss who jumped out big time while watching Mingo.


Will do. Ole Miss has been supplying the NFL with some primo receiver talent for a good few years now, in spite of some subpar QB play.
Hunter Luepke, FB, North Dakota State  
Angel Eyes : 4/4/2023 7:58 am : link
Yes he's listed as a fullback, but he had a fair share of the carries at North Dakota State. Luepke's a power back who can also get downfield and catch the ball. Could be there in the 5th or 6th round.
Hunter Luepke 2022 Highlights | North Dakota State FB/RB | 2023 NFL Draft Prospect - ( New Window )
Some B10 WRs  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/4/2023 8:26 am : link
Jayden Reed - MSU reminiscent of Flowers
Ronnie Bell - UM - I think he will be a QBs best friend. Right spot, right time and will make the clutch catch.
Charlie Jones - surprising speed, good hands.
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