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New York Giants 2nd Round Selection: OC John Michael Schmitz

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2023 8:51 pm
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RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
Toth029 : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd


Other interior OL were going much earlier. Ones expected in the 3rd. So I don't believe JMS would have lasted.
The article that Y28 posted the other day  
BSIMatt : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
Should get reposted. I was down on using a higher pick on C but after reading that article, I honestly wouldn’t have been mad using a first rounder on him..it was a fantastic article.
RE: I didn’t want a center but if you’re taking one here,  
cokeduplt : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16101712 81_Great_Dane said:
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he’s the guy. Fills a need. Safe pick in the sense that he’s a known quantity and he ticks the “smart” and “tough” boxes. Should be an upgrade over what the Giants had at C last season.


How would you not want a center, have u seen the depth chart?
this is a tough pick to dislike  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
if you want to get pumped up on him go look for anything jim nagy has said about him. he compared him to creed humphrey and said he was 1 of the top 31 players in the draft.

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Schmitz, a 2022 All-American, does “everything” well, Nagy said.

“He’s what you’re looking for in a center. He’s played a ton, he can handle it mentally, he’s a good communicator, he’s tough, he’s durable, he’s strong,” Nagy said. ” … He’s stronger than I thought he was watching him in person against really good people. He can really anchor, which I questioned a little bit on tape. So he’s got everything from the neck up, he’s played a ton of football, he’s gonna be able to help the quarterback a ton, you’re gonna be able to take a lot off the quarterback immediately.

“This guy’s ready to play … I think he’s a Day 1 starter and you’ve got a two-contract player that’s going to be a high-level player.”
IOL was a need  
Sean : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
It became even more of a need with what Philly did.
DJ actually gets a chance to  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 9:02 pm : link
stand upright
The type of pick you will look back and say  
ThomasG : 4/28/2023 9:02 pm : link
Thank You.
RE: DJ actually gets a chance to  
Sammo85 : 4/28/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16101728 Big Blue '56 said:
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stand upright


No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.
RE: I think this pick made perfect sense coming into the draft  
ZogZerg : 4/28/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16101646 Chris684 said:
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And makes even more sense after what Philly and Dallas did last night.


Agree. Certainly could have solidified the pick
Clearly not a BPA draft  
WillieYoung : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.
Lance Zierlein  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
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Schmitz is a highly consistent zone-scheme center with decent size. He is well-schooled in all phases of the run game. He consistently uses the proper footwork and angles to find early positioning and has the tenacity to finish blocks at a high rate. He has plus football intelligence and makes the calls for his offense. His drive power is average and he can be hit-or-miss getting to second-level targets. Schmitz lacks length and his edges will get a little leaky in pass protection from time to time, but his overall technique and teamwork in the run game should create a plug-and-play opportunity in the pros.

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CBS  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
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John Michael Schmitz IOL, MINN
Height: 6-4, Weight: 301
Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)

A

Off brand pick  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
Johnson thought Schmitz was extremely smart and would do great with the line calls. I am guessing the Giants put a lot of stock in the mental part of playing center.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS  
5BowlsSoon : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you

Why would I doubt smart people making these decisions?
The Athletic Grade  
US1 Giants : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
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57. New York Giants: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota

Big, thick and experienced, Schmitz (6-3 ½, 301) started 36 games over four seasons at center for the Gophers and guided one of college football’s most physical running games. Schmitz allowed just two sacks and three quarterback hits in the past three seasons. He was PFF’s highest-graded center, a first-team All-American and a finalist for the Rimington Trophy.

Minnesota’s offense used the zone read and often relied on a combination of zone and sweep runs. Schmitz is both physical at the point of attack and can pull when needed. He fits perfectly into the Giants offense and could start right away at center.

Grade: A


https://theathletic.com/4465076/2023/04/28/draft-grades-nfl-round-2-3/ - ( New Window )
A few don't like this pick, CBS does giving it an A:  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
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Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)
passed on Torrence  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
They have a clear view of what they need in a player.
Not Thrilled  
Jim in Tampa : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
I wouldn't have believe you if you told me that the Giants would pass on Hyatt, Tillman and Mimms in RD-2, after going Banks in RD-1.

Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.
RE: Let’s go!  
ArcadeSlumlord : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal


Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
Hit it in the fairway  
AcesUp : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
Your first rounder should be trying to hit a ceiling, no problem with the obvious and safe pick at the end of the 2nd. He's plug and play, this shouldn't drive your decision but shouldn't be overlooked either. He's a cheap Day 1 starter that shouldn't be bad at starting.
The scout had me at "He's a prick and will try to kill you on every  
gtt350 : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
play"
Did I a remote throw?  
BigKev : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
LOL, what a joke
RE: RE: Let’s go!  
RCPhoenix : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16101750 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.


No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.
Value + Need  
Biteymax22 : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
Very nice when they meet up
RE: Not Thrilled  
BleedBlue : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16101748 Jim in Tampa said:
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I wouldn't have believe you if you told me that the Giants would pass on Hyatt, Tillman and Mimms in RD-2, after going Banks in RD-1.

Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.


Not at all….

I mean let’s start with NOT having a legit center on roster

Secondly, Schmitz had a first round grade by most. It was very good value. Center is an important position. How many times as bbi complained about pocket getting blown up up the middle. We plugged a huge hole yea but got a ton of value here….
RE: RE: RE: Let’s go!  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16101757 RCPhoenix said:
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In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:


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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.



No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.


I think Dabs will allow a real battle for the position.
I bet with hardy any WR taken in 2nd RD  
George from PA : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
The Giants felt....let's grab our top center now....and then trade up
 
christian : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
I know a lot of NFL centers are repurposed guards, but I've wanted the Giants to draft a college center to play center.

They've needed to set a floor on the offensive line. This isn't a sexy pick, but this is a solid pick.
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
Sean : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd

He would not have been. Houston just drafted a center & Denver was likely going to take Schmitz.
If we were more of a passing offense  
widmerseyebrow : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
I'd feel better about this pick.
I just can’t give the player and pick here  
Sammo85 : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
more than a C grade. Bobby Johnson though has few excuses left for his unit next year. Lots of pick investment and high picks to work with.

I wanted Tippman  
gmenrule : 4/28/2023 9:11 pm : link
who went to Jets.
RE: The type of pick you will look back and say  
Chef : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101729 ThomasG said:
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Thank You.


This right here..
RE: RE: RE: Let’s go!  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101757 RCPhoenix said:
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In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:


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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.



No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.


Agree. Bredensen be the backup C/G
Center had been such a huge need for so long  
Kanavis : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
We will need help against the Philadelphia and Dallas lines. No problem with this pick. Let's see how it turns out. I trust the staff.
RE: I just can’t give the player and pick here  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101773 Sammo85 said:
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more than a C grade. Bobby Johnson though has few excuses left for his unit next year. Lots of pick investment and high picks to work with.


Because we've been trying to fix the offensive line since like 2010.
IOL  
RAIN : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
Going quick, seems like we got ahead of the run. Solid pick.
RE: I wanted Tippman  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101774 gmenrule said:
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who went to Jets.


Same here, but the big three were Avila, Tippmann, and Schmitz. Any of those three being available at 57 was a longshot. Giants were blessed to have one. You take Schmitz and watch him flourish and stabilize the Center position form Day 1.
We hit the 2 biggest holes in the lineup  
mfsd : 4/28/2023 9:13 pm : link
with first 2 picks (aside from a true #1 WR). I’ll let you guys argue whether value matched with the need, but with that Philly DL we certainly need to get better in the interior OL
No surprise on the run,  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:14 pm : link
some really dumb posters on here.
Limited  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:14 pm : link
athletic upside as Sy says, but knows his assignments, is tough and intelligent, and pulls very well. The Giants like to run a lot of sweeps with Barkley.
wrestling  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:15 pm : link
background too
good clip of jms at senior bowl  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2023 9:16 pm : link
Jim Nagy
@JimNagy_SB
John Michael Schmitz rolls out of bed reaching frontside DTs.

There aren’t 31 better/cleaner prospects in this year’s draft.
https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1646843338920738816?s=20 - ( New Window )
Brugler  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:17 pm : link
rated him as the 59th best player overall.
Great pick  
Chip : 4/28/2023 9:17 pm : link
Day 1 starter.
Check out the first comment in that tweet  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:18 pm : link
. Lol.
RE: No surprise on the run,  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16101798 thefan said:
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some really dumb posters on here.


Some? lol
Prayers answered.  
Klaatu : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
Can't say much more than that.
RE: Those comments from scouts were  
Spider56 : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16101680 Bill in UT said:
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pretty mixed. But I assume our OL coach spent some time with him.


Go back to April 24 and read the Y28 post with the Leonard article from the News … explains a lot. I’d attach but I don’t how. Lol
I didn't love JMS at all  
gameday555 : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
But I am having a very, very hard time getting as worked up over it as some others in here. He was still a worthy selection and a borderline third rounder relative to where we were picking. We've gotten inverse spoiled picking so early in rounds in the past few years!
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