So what's next? I'm with Brett. I think both Gallant and Drury need to go. Two straight years of blowing a 2-0 series lead and having your team no-show. Unacceptable.
But I think Drury is our new Sather and I think Gallant will be retained, but Mike Kelly will "retire". I'd rather have Gallant than Sutter, Julien and even Laviolette. The two "retreads" who intrigue me most: Andrew Brunette (DUI and all) and Joel Quenneville. Will Coach Q ever get another HC job again? IDK, doesn't seem like it, but he would definitely be an upgrade at HC.
As for the players...lots of decisions to be made. Two certainties: Kane should walk, if not retire, and Goodrow is going to be a cap dump.
I think 8 guys are definite returns: 1) Igor, 2) Fox, 3) Lindgren, 4)Kreider, 5) Trouba, 6) Zibanejad, 7) Chytil and 8) Schneider
Laf and K'Andre are RFAs and frankly, I hope they both get offer-sheeted. Kakko? Underwhelming. Trocheck likely is coming back, but it's not a certainty.
I'd bring back Tarasenko on the cheap if he's up for it.
And then there's Panarin, who was by far the most disappointing this series. And this is nothing new. Aside from the Game 7 OT winner against the Yinz last year, he's been fucking terrible in the Playoffs. He has a NMC and a huge salary, so IDK if he's movable, but man, this is a problem. He is a total liability when it comes to the Playoffs.
P.S. We all know Drury isn't going anywhere. Gallant needs to make some changes w/his assistants if he's gonna stay.
Why do you think Drury should go? If you get rid of Drury and the head coach then it's a bit of rebuild mode. I think that is extremely drastic.
Kreider's might be.
It’s too fucking soon.
If you think drury is going anywhere you’re high. Maybe gallant but drury won’t be fired because teams don’t just fire GMs like they fire coaches.
That’s all I got.
I’d also think long and hard about trying to bring back Tarasenko. I think he brings something to the party in the playoffs unlike Panarin who is fun to watch in the regular season but game just doesn’t translate in the playoffs. They also need to find an alpha forward that can make a difference 5 on 5 in the playoffs. Rangers were far too dependent on the power play. If that means parting with Laf or Kakko then so be it.
Kreider, Zibby, Trochek, Chytil, Vesey, one of Laf or Kakko and a resigned Tarasenko is a very solid core. Find a couple grinders (a la Jesper Fast) for the 4th line to replace Goodrow and Motte. The team will still be in the mix while Igor is in his prime, and it’s more of a re-tool for next year than another rebuild.
If you think drury is going anywhere you’re high. Maybe gallant but drury won’t be fired because teams don’t just fire GMs like they fire coaches.
That’s all I got.
I agree...but you have to be held accountable for the trades made that failed spectacularly.
I think it’s only a second rounder since we shit the bed in round 1…
So we got that going for us.
they didn't trade a 1st for Kane, it was a 2nd and a 3rd, the 2nd became a 1st if the Rangers made the conference finals.
Why do you think Drury should go? If you get rid of Drury and the head coach then it's a bit of rebuild mode. I think that is extremely drastic.
I mean most of the team right now is a team he inherited from Gorton and JD. Panarin, Zibanejad, Krieder, Fox, Lindgren, K'Andre, Schneider, Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Igor...all JD and Gorton.
So his individual moves: signing Goodrow to a long-term deal, which was ridiculous. You don't sign a bottom-six guy to a long-term deal and also give him a NTC.
Vesey - fine. Nice little bargain there.
Motte - again, fine. He's an UFA, but he shouldn't be too expensive to bring back.
Trocheck - upgrade over Strome, but he was inconsistent and the most upsetting thing is that he never developed that chemistry with Panarin, which was the main reason we brought him on. We knew Zibanejad would play with Kreider. We knew we'd keep the Kid Line together and have Chytil play with Laf. So who would Panarin play with? So we signed Trocheck and they never got it going.
Kane - terrible trade. He was on his last legs. He's completely shot.
Tarasenko and Mikkola - nice deal and nice players, but it didn't get us over the hump. And alas, we traded away a first rounder.
Copp - adios one first-rounder for a fucking rental
Vatrano was a nice deal, but again, pure rental
Braun wasn't the stabilizing force we hoped he would be. Kevin Klein, he was not. And again, rental.
I’d also think long and hard about trying to bring back Tarasenko. I think he brings something to the party in the playoffs unlike Panarin who is fun to watch in the regular season but game just doesn’t translate in the playoffs. They also need to find an alpha forward that can make a difference 5 on 5 in the playoffs. Rangers were far too dependent on the power play. If that means parting with Laf or Kakko then so be it.
Kreider, Zibby, Trochek, Chytil, Vesey, one of Laf or Kakko and a resigned Tarasenko is a very solid core. Find a couple grinders (a la Jesper Fast) for the 4th line to replace Goodrow and Motte. The team will still be in the mix while Igor is in his prime, and it’s more of a re-tool for next year than another rebuild.
Without a major shake up, one of the kids stepping up and leading this team, finding or developing a true 5 on 5 scorer, and finding a true 2 way defenseman, they're going nowhere again. So, they'll be going nowhere again
Kreider's might be.
Kreider has a NMC and I highly, highly, highly doubt he waives it. He loves the Rangers and he loves NYC.
Panarin, I agree, but I do think he's movable if the Rangers eat some of his cap. But again, NMC...
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You know, the defense wasn't good, either. Miller has regressed. Fox had a terrible series. Trouba is a TO machine. I agree on moving on from KK and Laf, but who's gonna sign them? They aren't progressing.
they didn't trade a 1st for Kane, it was a 2nd and a 3rd, the 2nd became a 1st if the Rangers made the conference finals.
Silver lining, eh?
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Gallant was out coached. Badly.
If you think drury is going anywhere you’re high. Maybe gallant but drury won’t be fired because teams don’t just fire GMs like they fire coaches.
That’s all I got.
I agree...but you have to be held accountable for the trades made that failed spectacularly.
I hear you. I’m not as scared of drury doing something god awful or highly egregious as I am concerned that gallant is merely ok. The evidence is starting to add up on the HC…
Drury, I don’t know, nothing really jumps out at me. The rangers are good on paper and have won a lot more games than they’ve lost under drury. I’m not defending him as much as I’m not sure he should be condemned I guess.
Sucks.
they didn't trade a 1st for Kane, it was a 2nd and a 3rd, the 2nd became a 1st if the Rangers made the conference finals.
You would think that a Rangers fan would know that.
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You know, the defense wasn't good, either. Miller has regressed. Fox had a terrible series. Trouba is a TO machine. I agree on moving on from KK and Laf, but who's gonna sign them? They aren't progressing.
they didn't trade a 1st for Kane, it was a 2nd and a 3rd, the 2nd became a 1st if the Rangers made the conference finals.
Oh that's right! I forgot that...thanks for pointing it out. I feel 1 percent less sad now
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contract is not movable.
Kreider's might be.
Kreider has a NMC and I highly, highly, highly doubt he waives it. He loves the Rangers and he loves NYC.
Panarin, I agree, but I do think he's movable if the Rangers eat some of his cap. But again, NMC...
Do what the Lightning did with McDonagh… “we don’t want you so you might as well choose where you want to live so we can all move on.” But they’ll have to attach picks to it and probably take a shitty contract in return.
He had a couple of good (maybe very good) scoring chances tonight and couldn’t capitalize. That’s pretty much been his MO since he’s been here. You really think next year it’s gonna finally click? You saw real growth from him and Kakko this year? I didn’t.
He's on the third line, not getting a lot of minutes. What's your plan for him? How do you develop him if you don't give him minutes on the top lines?
Othmann and Cuylle will likely make the team next season. Cuylle will take Goodrow's place on the fourth line and Othmann will probably play on the kid line, with Laf moved up if they find a taker for Panarin.
Most suspect to MTL, but I wonder if that's how the Rangers move Panarin (if he waives his NTC).
Now, Winnipeg is not exactly NYC or MIA) but maybe the Panarins have evolved.
PLD is an RFA due a $8M deal or so, so the money isn't *that* far off and it finally gets the Rangers an elite 2C. Trocheck is fine, but better suited as 3C.
Just not sure what's going on mentally with PLD and if he'll be a good fit in NY (or MTL).
Most suspect to MTL, but I wonder if that's how the Rangers move Panarin (if he waives his NTC).
Now, Winnipeg is not exactly NYC or MIA) but maybe the Panarins have evolved.
PLD is an RFA due a $8M deal or so, so the money isn't *that* far off and it finally gets the Rangers an elite 2C. Trocheck is fine, but better suited as 3C.
Just not sure what's going on mentally with PLD and if he'll be a good fit in NY (or MTL).
I feel like the Rangers haven't had a good French-Canadian since one season of Benoit Pouliot. Haha
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in hockey is Pierre Luc-Dubois to be moved this off-season.
Most suspect to MTL, but I wonder if that's how the Rangers move Panarin (if he waives his NTC).
Now, Winnipeg is not exactly NYC or MIA) but maybe the Panarins have evolved.
PLD is an RFA due a $8M deal or so, so the money isn't *that* far off and it finally gets the Rangers an elite 2C. Trocheck is fine, but better suited as 3C.
Just not sure what's going on mentally with PLD and if he'll be a good fit in NY (or MTL).
I feel like the Rangers haven't had a good French-Canadian since one season of Benoit Pouliot. Haha
I know you will say “good” but
Lafreniere?
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in hockey is Pierre Luc-Dubois to be moved this off-season.
Most suspect to MTL, but I wonder if that's how the Rangers move Panarin (if he waives his NTC).
Now, Winnipeg is not exactly NYC or MIA) but maybe the Panarins have evolved.
PLD is an RFA due a $8M deal or so, so the money isn't *that* far off and it finally gets the Rangers an elite 2C. Trocheck is fine, but better suited as 3C.
Just not sure what's going on mentally with PLD and if he'll be a good fit in NY (or MTL).
I feel like the Rangers haven't had a good French-Canadian since one season of Benoit Pouliot. Haha
I know you will say “good” but
Lafreniere?
Laf is closer to Nail fucking Yakupov than he is to Ovechkin, Crosby, Stamkos, Matthews, etc. In hindsight, it should've been Stutzle, but Laf was the consensus pick so I don't fault the Rangers for that...I fault their development.
It makes sense if you think they're busts and you believe you can recoup any kind of value for them
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With the exception of Zibby and Kreider, I’d do everything in my power to get rid of everyone older than Shesty.
It makes sense if you think they're busts and you believe you can recoup any kind of value for them
If you think they’re busts, why would you think someone else is going to give you anything of value for them? Picks are worthless unless you’re tearing the whole thing down. Players you get back are likely to be older than the ones you’re trading and not particularly good.
Emotions are clouding people minds.....
What a garbage franchise lol
I wish the Rangers would Benoit themselves
Look at the organization from a macro viewpoint.
They’ve won ONE cup in 83 years. Even a blind squirrel finds a but occasionally.
But not them. The Rangers have ALWAYS been about short term fixes and trying to buy there way. This rarely works and is NOT sustainable. There problem is properly building a team from the ground up.
They had their chance recently with all the high draft picks. 5 high #1s. Including a top pick and 2nd overall. ALL busts. NONE developed into the center piece they had to be for this team to get somewhere. So instead, they acquire guys like Kane who clearly was a mistake. The core of this team will win in the regular season. But in the playoffs, they are consistently LESS then the sum of the parts.
Are they a grinding team? A speed team? Even they don’t know. With Dolan as owner, I don’t see this changing. Drury has done his best, but what were his qualifications to build a Cup winner when Dolan cleaned house?
I see an organization consistently spinning its wheels.
Emotions are clouding people minds.....
I would have liked their chances if they did. This post-season is WIDE open now. Rangers' window is open to win a Cup/Cups. They need to strike while they can. You're certainly right about it being an emotional time. Shame.
Yuu should peek in with Ottawa about deBrincat, he'd give you another goal scorer and it looks like you need one. I bet sucker Pierre Dorian would let you pawn off Laf on us too.
Panarin had a total of ZERO points in his last 6 games. He should be embarrassed.
Gerard Gallant in his last 4 playoff eliminations:
Up 1-0 vs WSH, lost in 5.
Up 3-1 vs SJS, lost in 7.
Up 2-0 vs TBL, lost in 6.
Up 2-0 vs NJD, lost in 7.
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Be favorite to win the Stanley Cup...with the Avenlache and Bruins going down.
Emotions are clouding people minds.....
I would have liked their chances if they did. This post-season is WIDE open now. Rangers' window is open to win a Cup/Cups. They need to strike while they can. You're certainly right about it being an emotional time. Shame.
What sort of window do these guys really have? Their better forwards are older vets. The young kids aren’t/haven’t developed. How much flexibility does Drury have to retool this roster? My guess is not too much changes this summer, the Rangers finish 3rd or so in the Metro, and we’re all back here next year after a first or 2nd round KO.
I do agree that Cuylle and Othmann will be on the team next year, maybe even Berard. I hate to see Goodrow go, he's one of the few players who showed up for all 7 games this series, but his contract is completely unmanageable in the current financial climate in the NHL. I figure that of the current 12 forwards, Tarasenko, Kane, Goodrow, Motte are not going to be back. There's an outside chance that Kane comes back seeing how badly he wanted to come here. Question would be if he is wanted, which I believe will depend on his health.
This team lacks heart and desire. Such a tease!!!
Feel sorry for Igor.
This organization does a terrible horrible job of developing young talent.
I need to step away from thinking about hockey for awhile. I’m always left disappointed. The life of a Ranger fan
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Be favorite to win the Stanley Cup...with the Avenlache and Bruins going down.
Emotions are clouding people minds.....
I would have liked their chances if they did. This post-season is WIDE open now. Rangers' window is open to win a Cup/Cups. They need to strike while they can. You're certainly right about it being an emotional time. Shame.
What sort of window do these guys really have? Their better forwards are older vets. The young kids aren’t/haven’t developed. How much flexibility does Drury have to retool this roster? My guess is not too much changes this summer, the Rangers finish 3rd or so in the Metro, and we’re all back here next year after a first or 2nd round KO.
There is a dearth of worthwhile, free agents this offseason, and with as steady as he played in big minutes after the trade, feels like someone is bound to throw at least a 3 x $3.5M or something like that at him.
Rangers better hope for Toronto to come out of the east. Without them, the ratings are going to SUCKKKKK and there is little hope of any kind of cap increase. NY, MIN, BOS, and TBL markets eliminated is a huge hit to the negative side of that equation. Which makes last night's loss even more painful.
They need a coaching change, especially if they plan to hold on to both of Kakko and Laf. The development simply isn't happening under Turk's watch.
The Rangers have another prospect from that same Providence team, also a 5th round pick but in 2021, Jaroslav Chmelar from Czechia, this kid is one I'd keep an eye on, really stood out at the world juniors and is just growing in to his 6'5" 200 pound frame. - see how his sophomore year goes at Providence.
Blueshirts Breakaway podcast alluding to somee rumblings that Kane has let it be known that he wants to be here even in spite of the team's obvious financial constraints and is willing to make it work.
He seems like a shoe-in for offseason hip surgery, so who knows what that market looks like anyhow. Not something I'm super excited about, but in theory there's a price low enough that betting on a healthier version of Kane has upside. He's not ancient.