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Anakim : 5/1/2023 11:01 pm
So what's next? I'm with Brett. I think both Gallant and Drury need to go. Two straight years of blowing a 2-0 series lead and having your team no-show. Unacceptable.

But I think Drury is our new Sather and I think Gallant will be retained, but Mike Kelly will "retire". I'd rather have Gallant than Sutter, Julien and even Laviolette. The two "retreads" who intrigue me most: Andrew Brunette (DUI and all) and Joel Quenneville. Will Coach Q ever get another HC job again? IDK, doesn't seem like it, but he would definitely be an upgrade at HC.


As for the players...lots of decisions to be made. Two certainties: Kane should walk, if not retire, and Goodrow is going to be a cap dump.

I think 8 guys are definite returns: 1) Igor, 2) Fox, 3) Lindgren, 4)Kreider, 5) Trouba, 6) Zibanejad, 7) Chytil and 8) Schneider

Laf and K'Andre are RFAs and frankly, I hope they both get offer-sheeted. Kakko? Underwhelming. Trocheck likely is coming back, but it's not a certainty.

I'd bring back Tarasenko on the cheap if he's up for it.




And then there's Panarin, who was by far the most disappointing this series. And this is nothing new. Aside from the Game 7 OT winner against the Yinz last year, he's been fucking terrible in the Playoffs. He has a NMC and a huge salary, so IDK if he's movable, but man, this is a problem. He is a total liability when it comes to the Playoffs.
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Trocheck  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 1:26 pm : link
is the only NYR center who can reliably win a face-off.

I'm like a broken record on this, but so much in hockey can be traced to a face-off win or loss. I watch and cringe on the PP when the team with the PP has a center who isn't good on the dots, lose the face-off clean and have it iced the other way. it kills off maybe 30 second or 25% of the PP, then if you struggle to enter the zone you basically have a min or less to get set up.

Face-offs are also fixable to players who put in the work. it's one of those areas why some young players start at wing and move to center. Kotkaniemi on CAR is a good example. Still just 22 years old, but brutal on the dots in MTL (not Chytil bad, but bad) now he's at 51.4% for CAR.

2023 face off numbers for Rangers centers
Trocheck 56.1%
Mika 49.5%
Chytil 39.8% - unless he's playing on a line with another player who can take face-offs (which some teams do) he can't be your 2C with those numbers
Goodrow 45.9%

As a team the Rangers were 49.1% which isn't bad, but it's also not great. They lost 85+ more face-offs than they won.


RE: Gentlemen  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16107395 Drewcon40 said:
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I want to apologize if this isn't the most appropriate thought for today but this was the toughest loss I have had to endure personally of a hockey team or sports team. I am not looking for the charity post but just using this place to vent but one of the reasons I became a Rangers fan was because of my older brother. Unfortunately, he lost his battle with pancreatic cancer a month ago and I have been (rightfully or wrongfully) trying to find joy in small things.

I don't want to sound like an entitled fan that "expects" championships but the way this roster was built and how the playoffs started, I thought we were in for another run similar to last year. Obviously, putting things in perspective there a much more important things in life than sports teams' success but I was just hoping for a bit of joy amongst a crappy year.

Apologies Gentlemen, I don't want to bring the mood down any worse but this feels good to type and share with Rangers fans. I am not the only person who is dealing with a loss. Thank you for the venting space.


Sometimes sharing can be therapeutic. Sorry for your loss Drew.
RE: Gentlemen  
rnargi : 5/2/2023 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16107395 Drewcon40 said:
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I want to apologize if this isn't the most appropriate thought for today but this was the toughest loss I have had to endure personally of a hockey team or sports team. I am not looking for the charity post but just using this place to vent but one of the reasons I became a Rangers fan was because of my older brother. Unfortunately, he lost his battle with pancreatic cancer a month ago and I have been (rightfully or wrongfully) trying to find joy in small things.

I don't want to sound like an entitled fan that "expects" championships but the way this roster was built and how the playoffs started, I thought we were in for another run similar to last year. Obviously, putting things in perspective there a much more important things in life than sports teams' success but I was just hoping for a bit of joy amongst a crappy year.

Apologies Gentlemen, I don't want to bring the mood down any worse but this feels good to type and share with Rangers fans. I am not the only person who is dealing with a loss. Thank you for the venting space.



I'm sorry for your loss, man...I lost my brother in law to pancreatic cancer last February. I've also lost my college roommate to cancer in the last couple months, and another colleague and good friend got leukemia out of the blue at 55 years old and has a couple months left. Brutal couple of years for me...lost a sister, mother, grandfather, mother in law, her sister, and several friends. It is ok to find the joy in the small things. As Bruce says, it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive. Keep your brothers memory, and God Bless.
RE: Gentlemen  
bigbluehoya : 5/2/2023 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16107395 Drewcon40 said:
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I want to apologize if this isn't the most appropriate thought for today but this was the toughest loss I have had to endure personally of a hockey team or sports team. I am not looking for the charity post but just using this place to vent but one of the reasons I became a Rangers fan was because of my older brother. Unfortunately, he lost his battle with pancreatic cancer a month ago and I have been (rightfully or wrongfully) trying to find joy in small things.

I don't want to sound like an entitled fan that "expects" championships but the way this roster was built and how the playoffs started, I thought we were in for another run similar to last year. Obviously, putting things in perspective there a much more important things in life than sports teams' success but I was just hoping for a bit of joy amongst a crappy year.

Apologies Gentlemen, I don't want to bring the mood down any worse but this feels good to type and share with Rangers fans. I am not the only person who is dealing with a loss. Thank you for the venting space.


Don't ever apologize for that. I'm very sorry for your loss.

I lost my dad just under 2 weeks ago. He was sick for the last few years, and had a failed lung transplant 18 months ago. It was a slog, but the pain is no less in spite of the relief that he is no longer suffering.

I, too, am having a little tougher time today than I was over the course of the last few days after the services were all concluded and extended family flew home.

The Rangers were providing me with a much needed distraction, probably even moreso than I realized.

Sending strength your way, my man.
2nd round pick (or two)  
djm : 5/2/2023 1:40 pm : link
for a player who basically put up about a point a game and is one of the most respected vet NHL players going, is not a "massive mistake." Calm down.

The mistake was not adjusting to the devils style of play and talent level. The Rangers roster is very good. They got outplayed by an equally dangerous team.

The only change worth making might be Gallant. ANd you can trade Panarin as long as we're getting back production because he is fucking maddening in the postseason.

bigblue, rmargi, pj  
Drewcon40 : 5/2/2023 1:40 pm : link
Thank you for your replies. I am also sending my love abnd respect to you as well. No one ever truly knows what one is going through so I appreciate you sharing this as well.
Good back and forth between Brett and Kyle  
ColHowPepper : 5/2/2023 1:47 pm : link
I'll only add a few complementary (and complimentary): the top 'stars' on this team, all of them, became sclerotic and unproductive when the games began to count big. Those are big red flags--they just disappeared--in terms of how long this team's window is.

To Gallant, about whom I've railed all season (you could look it up): when do you ever see him get in the face of any of those stars? He has two different standards, one for the untouchables, one for the kids. It was so odd to me last night, clear that game was getting out of hand, and he lit into Trochek for (what I think) was a failure to keep the puck inside the offensive zone. If there's an honest two-way guy on the top six, it's him, yet Gallant was reaming him out for a good 25-30 seconds, visible to all. He scapegoats.

He scapegoats: in the PG presser he scapegoated the 'talent' on the team (properly, but not the time). Why didn't the top six forecheck the way he obviously felt they should have but didn't? He benches Kakko, he benches Laf, he moves them around like deck chairs. I don't think the kids 'trust' him because of his double standard; I'll argue that he doesn't connect with them and that has hampered their development because they're on edge for doing something 'wrong'. When a game or series goes against him, he gets negative instead of adjusting.

Not a fan of Drury either, agree with Brett for the most part. I don't think there's a prayer in heaven he gets the hook.
Elliotte Friedman is reporting that Gallant will be canned  
Anakim : 5/2/2023 1:48 pm : link
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Sorry for your loss Drewcon  
ShockNRoll : 5/2/2023 1:49 pm : link
and yes, what you are going through does put things in perspective for sure. It would have been a great tribute to your brother if they could have made a run, I'm sorry they couldn't have brought you a little more joy for a little longer given your situation. I went to game 6 with my 11 year old who was born severely premature, and by miracle, is totally fine. When a friend of mine saw the pictures she said "to think of where you guys were when he was born that you get to enjoy these moments with him is amazing"...

Anyway, some earlier posters mentioned Trocheck, and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in his play. I thought he was going to be a player who thrived in the playoffs, and he did not have any real impact on this series other than winning some faceoffs. Ideal situation regarding Kane is he gets surgery in the offseason, comes back at least 80% of what he once was, and signs for a team friendly deal. He so badly wanted to come here, and I would be happy to have him back to try again with a full season, healthy hip, and training camp. We've seen time and time again that these stars that get acquired late in the season very rarely succeed in their new homes. As far as Lafreniere and Kakko go, I just need to see one of them at least do what Chytil did this year. One or both of them will be back in the top 6 presumably, opportunities will be there, they have to start making more of an impact offensively.
RE: 2nd round pick (or two)  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/2/2023 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16107414 djm said:
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for a player who basically put up about a point a game and is one of the most respected vet NHL players going, is not a "massive mistake." Calm down.

The mistake was not adjusting to the devils style of play and talent level. The Rangers roster is very good. They got outplayed by an equally dangerous team.

The only change worth making might be Gallant. ANd you can trade Panarin as long as we're getting back production because he is fucking maddening in the postseason.


Very reasonable and rationale take. I agree with everything.
Sorry for your losses, hoya and Drewcon.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 1:51 pm : link
Awful.
RE: 2nd round pick (or two)  
BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16107414 djm said:
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for a player who basically put up about a point a game and is one of the most respected vet NHL players going, is not a "massive mistake." Calm down.

The mistake was not adjusting to the devils style of play and talent level. The Rangers roster is very good. They got outplayed by an equally dangerous team.

The only change worth making might be Gallant. ANd you can trade Panarin as long as we're getting back production because he is fucking maddening in the postseason.


Why do you think they couldn't adjust? Because they had a player who can't skate or handle a pass in their top six.

He totally disrupted their powerplay too. Comforting yourself with him being a 'respected player' is why the Rangers make dumb mistakes like this.
RE: Elliotte Friedman is reporting that Gallant will be canned  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16107426 Anakim said:
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If you look back this time last year, so many hockey fans wondering "How does Gallant wear out his welcome so quickly after it seems like he has early success everywhere?"

Well you get out coached by Lindy Ruff and that explains it.
RE: RE: Elliotte Friedman is reporting that Gallant will be canned  
BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16107447 pjcas18 said:
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If you look back this time last year, so many hockey fans wondering "How does Gallant wear out his welcome so quickly after it seems like he has early success everywhere?"

Well you get out coached by Lindy Ruff and that explains it.


I'm stunned I'm advocating for his dismissal.

It's much less about the tangible result - the Devils are a very good team and losing in 7 is on the surface respectable - and more about how it happened.
RE: RE: RE: Elliotte Friedman is reporting that Gallant will be canned  
ShockNRoll : 5/2/2023 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16107452 BrettNYG10 said:
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If you look back this time last year, so many hockey fans wondering "How does Gallant wear out his welcome so quickly after it seems like he has early success everywhere?"

Well you get out coached by Lindy Ruff and that explains it.



I'm stunned I'm advocating for his dismissal.

It's much less about the tangible result - the Devils are a very good team and losing in 7 is on the surface respectable - and more about how it happened.


That's really what it comes down to. If they lose 3-2 in OT last night, OK, it happens. Two of the last three games of the series, they were completely out-skated, could not have played with lower intensity. How much of that is on the coach? Shouldn't the players be held accountable for their energy level? Is it a little of both because the team has started to tune out Gallant? If so, is it truly a Gallant issue or is this a concern that it will happen with the next coach? It's so hard to know what is really going on behind the scenes, but one thing that is very easy to see is this team did not come anywhere close to matching the intensity of their opponents in this series.
It was obvious  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 2:03 pm : link
to everyone who watched what Ruff was doing starting in game 3 after getting blown out in games 1 and 2. It wasn't just goalie, but Schmid definitely deserves more credit than he initially got.

You watched the Rangers do nothing to adjust on their own to what the Devils were doing in games 4 and 5. and then Game 6 and 7 they shuffled lines thinking that is how you beat a neutral zone trap.

More speculation than a confirmation  
Anakim : 5/2/2023 2:12 pm : link
But here's the Friedman clip regarding Gallant
Link - ( New Window )
RE: ....  
Kyle in NY : 5/2/2023 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16107384 BrettNYG10 said:
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Just to reiterate, I don't give the Rangers any credit for where they are. They stepped in shit with Igor and Fox demanding a trade here. This isn't some well constructed franchise.


I don't think the Ranges are immaculately run but I think you're being a bit unfair. They didn't draft Igor and develop Igor? Nothing about their moderate recent success is due to good decisions? Feels hyperbolic, but I respect the opinion.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 2:17 pm : link
No, midround picks becoming stars is largely luck, especially at goalie.

Allaire deserves credit, I guess.
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Kyle in NY : 5/2/2023 2:20 pm : link
Damn, you're really dark today!

Glad to hear the chatter that Gallant is on his way out
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 2:21 pm : link
Lol, I'm super negative. I think most franchises are actually pretty poorly run. A lot of luck is involved - I'd point to DET as a team doing the right thing but getting no ping pong ball luck.

Rangers in my eyes have been handed gift after gift and bungled it.
RE: Good back and forth between Brett and Kyle  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2023 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16107425 ColHowPepper said:
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Not a fan of Drury either, agree with Brett for the most part. I don't think there's a prayer in heaven he gets the hook.


Drury isn't the real power anyway. It's still Sather, as it always is.
RE: .....  
Kyle in NY : 5/2/2023 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16107478 BrettNYG10 said:
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Lol, I'm super negative. I think most franchises are actually pretty poorly run. A lot of luck is involved - I'd point to DET as a team doing the right thing but getting no ping pong ball luck.

Rangers in my eyes have been handed gift after gift and bungled it.


Yeah especially in hockey. Most GMs do try to shortcut it. There's a lot of bad situations out there. Maybe I'm naive, I'm just not quite as pessimistic about the team moving forward. Toronto was referenced earlier. But they stayed patient with a highly paid core that repeatedly couldn't get it done. Now they look primed for a run
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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 2:33 pm : link
I think TOR has been a very well run franchise. I have bones to pick (signing dying Thornton and Marleau, the goalies, etc.) but I think they did things well.

Look how young they are. Matthews is 25, Marner is 26 in a few days. Their stars have 5 years left.

The Rangers stars don't.

I also think they got majorly unlucky being in the Atlantic. Playing Boston or TBL every year, lol.
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Kyle in NY : 5/2/2023 2:41 pm : link
I agree, I think Dubas is very good as a GM. Interesting parallels with the Panarin and Tavares signings and what it meant to speed up the rebuild. But the age of the core forwards is the difference. You're assuming Auston Matthews re-signs in a year though! Haha

Dubas could have easily broke the team up after any one of the first round losses though, but he stayed patient. I want to do the same. There's another step the Rangers can take if they can get Kakko and Lafreniere to take another step. Any coach I'm interviewing, I need to know what the plan is to get the most out of the young players.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16107499 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think TOR has been a very well run franchise. I have bones to pick (signing dying Thornton and Marleau, the goalies, etc.) but I think they did things well.

Look how young they are. Matthews is 25, Marner is 26 in a few days. Their stars have 5 years left.

The Rangers stars don't.

I also think they got majorly unlucky being in the Atlantic. Playing Boston or TBL every year, lol.


Matthews has one year left on his contract and Marner has two. Is that what you meant or years before they're in their 30's?

The problem in Toronto has been they have been very top heavy.

their core 4 (Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Rielly) cost over a $40M cap hit, that's almost 50% of the cap. Nylander, Kerfoot Brodie and Matt Murray is another $20M.

$60M of the $82.5M cap in 8 out of 23 players.

So in the past if you stop their top line, you would beat them.

They also got "lucky" with some LTIR and were able to add O'Reilly

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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 2:49 pm : link
I meant years before their 30s.

Kyle, I don't want to break it up. They can compete and win next year. I'm just very worried about Panarin and the forwards - I think Panarin is already in decline.
I find it a bit odd to be discussing the Leafs in such glowing terms  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2023 2:53 pm : link
Merely because they finally, at long last, won a single playoff round. They still don't have a championship quality goaltender - Samsonov was not particularly good in that series despite the win. Dubas didn't draft Marner, didn't draft Matthews - Lou Lamoriello did.
Main reasons I'm not super optimistic  
JonC : 5/2/2023 2:58 pm : link
are it feels like Sather is still involved, as the larger and shiny decisions feel very reminiscent of an out of touch GM not truly willing to do the dirty work and build the GM. Quicker to fall victim to the owner and make a splash move.

As CHP pointed out, not one of their best players stepped up when the team needed it most vs the Devils. I agree with CHP, it's red flags not to be ignored.

Their cap situation might lead to it being ignored, in the end. Perhaps the next coach can address it, but it doesn't get much worse than the manner of the losses to NJD.
I'm not super rosy on things  
bigbluehoya : 5/2/2023 3:07 pm : link
but I think you have to keep in mind that NJD and CAR are pretty unique in their ability to just absolutely terrorize you with scheme and speed in a way that completely stifles your skill.

They both did it to the entire league all year.

The shitty part is that it doesn't seem likely to change, but if you dropped this NYR team out west, or even just on the other side of the East bracket, they wouldn't be so neutralized.

There are some serious issues with contract terms and NMC clauses that we're going to have no choice but to ride out, but I don't think the reality is quite as bleak as it feels today.

By hook or crook, the roster is going to largely be what it is right now. Shake up the coaching staff and scheme, ideally with someone better positioned to change the trajectory on KK and Laf, and let's ride. It's really the only sensible option as far as I can see.
RE: Main reasons I'm not super optimistic  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16107536 JonC said:
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are it feels like Sather is still involved


Yep. The more things have changed, the more they stay the same. Until Glen Sather is completely out of the picture, which doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon, I don't expect things to be much different.
Sather is damned near 80  
JonC : 5/2/2023 3:12 pm : link
it had better change soon.
And his current status reflects that  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2023 3:15 pm : link
He doesn't run the day to day operations anymore, and hasn't in several years. However, I'm 100% convinced that L'il Jimmy Dolan gives Sather the final say on all major decisions. And, until age/health prevent him, I expect that to continue, because Dolan gives every indication that Sather is still the guy whose opinion means the most to him.
Brett/Shock  
Drewcon40 : 5/2/2023 3:32 pm : link
Thank you guys.
RE: RE: 2nd round pick (or two)  
djm : 5/2/2023 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16107444 BrettNYG10 said:
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for a player who basically put up about a point a game and is one of the most respected vet NHL players going, is not a "massive mistake." Calm down.

The mistake was not adjusting to the devils style of play and talent level. The Rangers roster is very good. They got outplayed by an equally dangerous team.

The only change worth making might be Gallant. ANd you can trade Panarin as long as we're getting back production because he is fucking maddening in the postseason.




Why do you think they couldn't adjust? Because they had a player who can't skate or handle a pass in their top six.

He totally disrupted their powerplay too. Comforting yourself with him being a 'respected player' is why the Rangers make dumb mistakes like this.


Fine he wasn't great. It still wasn't a massive mistake. If we're playing tomorrow night Kane would have been a good legit top 6 threat.
Darryl Sutter is now being brought up  
Anakim : 5/2/2023 4:00 pm : link
Well, he would definitely make us harder to play against…
Agree Kane wsn't a mistake, he was a HUGE MISTAKE  
Victor in CT : 5/2/2023 4:19 pm : link
he's finished and should retire. Weak on the puck, can't skate anymore, wont shoot. And it's not revisionist, I said it when the rumors started. Great Game 2, nothing else the rest of his tenure here.

Didn't matter though because the problem pointed out by Henrik, Vally and even Micholetti, and echoed by Gallant is that this group won't do the dirty work to win in the playoffs. They want to play tic tac toe rather than shoot and crash the net. THe usually oblivious Micholetti was harping on the PP not shooting and giving Kreider a chance for tips and rebounds. Lundqvist was all over them. Trocheck is a dumb player. Loses the puck forcing a blueline carry in, then argues when Gallant points it out to him.

Igor is the ONLY reason they weren't run in the river last night in the 1st period.
Speed  
Matt M. : 5/2/2023 6:20 pm : link
They don't have enough speed in their top 6. They have good puck handlers, but no pure speed. Panarin is the only one and he just doesn't get it done in the post season. Unfortunately, he's not going anywhere with his NTC. That said, that was an amazing pass last night to Trocheck, who in turn got off a great one timer. Schmid just made the save.

Do they have enough guys who they can reasonably turn over?

Quite frankly, they just haven't gotten nearly enough from the few high picks over the last few years.

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BrettNYG10 : 5/2/2023 7:02 pm : link
Rangers have maneuverability next year. Trouba and Kreider have their full NMC's expiring (not saying whether to trade them, just saying they have that option).

The roster we have now is going to be pretty similar to the 2023-2024 roster IMO.
The thing that  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2023 7:10 pm : link
should make NYR fans a little nervous is that very unusual for a NY team the Rangers were the league's healthiest team. By a lot. Until the Lindgren injury around the trade deadline they really had not had anyone of significance miss more than a game or two.

This was from March 10, I'll see if I can find something more recent but the point remains. I don't know they will duplicate that health next year unless they have unlocked some secret. If so, share with NYG.

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2017-2020  
Professor Falken : 5/2/2023 7:42 pm : link
The Rangers had four top-ten draft picks.

Lias-Traded for Cuylle

Kravtsov-Traded for cap room

Kakko-Two points against the Devils

Laf-Zero points against the Devils

Awful
Drewcon, hoya  
ColHowPepper : 5/3/2023 9:20 am : link
Was completely off BBI line when I found time to post yesterday AM and hadn't caught up with or even been aware of the thread until then. Thoughts and hands together for those very important persons who live on in your lives and after grief subsides a bit, they will shine, as always.
Brett  
ColHowPepper : 5/3/2023 9:25 am : link
Before SCP began I posed the scenario that has now unfolded, gnashing teeth over a younger, better team that might well leapfrog the Rangers in development and outlook. I think last year the Rangers were the youngest team in SCP. In our convo, I asked, how would you address? You took position then: muster on with what you've got and give it another shot.

What caused you to change your take? I'm not baiting or bashing, not my style, your take has significance. Was it the way the Series unfolded, or more granular? tnks
If you haven't seen this Brooks column it really is an excellent  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2023 10:08 am : link
synopsis. Some excerpts:

“Talent doesn’t mean a thing,” Gallant said in what might have been a critique of the structure of his team. “It’s great to have talent, but you’ve got to play together and work together. Obviously, the four games that we lost, we had two goals. That’s the bottom line. You’re not going to win if you get two goals in four games.”

“I love to have talent, but you love to have work ethic and more forecheck and stuff like that. We just didn’t get it done.”

The Rangers had all sorts of issues getting out of their own end.

The Rangers had all sorts of issues pinning the Devils in their end.

A fast team was made to look slow.

A buttoned-down squad was picked apart.

A poised team came undone.

That is on the players, nearly all of whom had substandard series.

But responsibility falls on the coaching staff as well.

The Devils improved by leaps and bounds during the series.

The Rangers — other than in Saturday’s 5-2 revival in staving off Game 6 elimination at the Garden — steadily deteriorated.

Igor Shesterkin had a remarkable series.
There will be consequences for massive Rangers disappointment - ( New Window )
If Gallant doesn't speak today, it will be telling  
Anakim : 5/3/2023 10:13 am : link
And I have to say, I need more info on what happened with Coach Q in Chicago. There's no doubt he's one of the greatest coaches of this generation and of all-time, but the shit with Kyle Beach does me squirm and give me flashbacks to JoePa. I plead ignorance because I simply don't know enough about his involvement or lack thereof.
What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
Rick in Dallas : 5/3/2023 10:18 am : link
Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!
RE: Drewcon, hoya  
bigbluehoya : 5/3/2023 10:22 am : link
In comment 16108254 ColHowPepper said:
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Was completely off BBI line when I found time to post yesterday AM and hadn't caught up with or even been aware of the thread until then. Thoughts and hands together for those very important persons who live on in your lives and after grief subsides a bit, they will shine, as always.


thank you very much, CHP.
RE: What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16108362 Rick in Dallas said:
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!


1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).

not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc.
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RE: Brett  
BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2023 10:43 am : link
In comment 16108259 ColHowPepper said:
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Before SCP began I posed the scenario that has now unfolded, gnashing teeth over a younger, better team that might well leapfrog the Rangers in development and outlook. I think last year the Rangers were the youngest team in SCP. In our convo, I asked, how would you address? You took position then: muster on with what you've got and give it another shot.

What caused you to change your take? I'm not baiting or bashing, not my style, your take has significance. Was it the way the Series unfolded, or more granular? tnks


At a high level, we should keep the roster the same and go forward because we are a secondary contender and can still win a Cup. Also, there is really no choice. We have flexibility next off-season but we're shit out of luck this year.

In terms of Gallant, he needs to go based on how we lost. Lifeless efforts in games 5 and 7 and blowing a two game lead is inexcusable. He sucks as a tactician. He got outclassed by Sullivan, Cooper, and Ruff. Ruff is not some great coach. Losing in 7 is fine. Losing in 7 not showing up to two games and blowing a 2-0 lead is not.

Drury should go because he does nothing well, is a bad asset manager, and has made a number of decisions to shorten the window and hasn't won. His best moves were the 2022 deadline moves... that didn't lead to a Cup.
Trouba asked about Gallant  
Anakim : 5/3/2023 12:19 pm : link
Notice the pause and hesitation...
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