So what's next? I'm with Brett. I think both Gallant and Drury need to go. Two straight years of blowing a 2-0 series lead and having your team no-show. Unacceptable.
But I think Drury is our new Sather and I think Gallant will be retained, but Mike Kelly will "retire". I'd rather have Gallant than Sutter, Julien and even Laviolette. The two "retreads" who intrigue me most: Andrew Brunette (DUI and all) and Joel Quenneville. Will Coach Q ever get another HC job again? IDK, doesn't seem like it, but he would definitely be an upgrade at HC.
As for the players...lots of decisions to be made. Two certainties: Kane should walk, if not retire, and Goodrow is going to be a cap dump.
I think 8 guys are definite returns: 1) Igor, 2) Fox, 3) Lindgren, 4)Kreider, 5) Trouba, 6) Zibanejad, 7) Chytil and 8) Schneider
Laf and K'Andre are RFAs and frankly, I hope they both get offer-sheeted. Kakko? Underwhelming. Trocheck likely is coming back, but it's not a certainty.
I'd bring back Tarasenko on the cheap if he's up for it.
And then there's Panarin, who was by far the most disappointing this series. And this is nothing new. Aside from the Game 7 OT winner against the Yinz last year, he's been fucking terrible in the Playoffs. He has a NMC and a huge salary, so IDK if he's movable, but man, this is a problem. He is a total liability when it comes to the Playoffs.
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1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).
not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )
Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!
1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).
not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )
Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance
Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.
This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!
1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).
not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )
Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance
Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.
This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.
Bummer for you. You have to root for the Maple Leafs to advance to the ECF, eh?
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!
1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).
not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )
Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance
Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.
This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.
Bummer for you. You have to root for the Maple Leafs to advance to the ECF, eh?
No, lol. I still can't do that. I'd rather get a bad draft pick then the Leafs move a step closer to a cup.
Maybe Drury told him he’s toast
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He has no accountability. None. It's pathetic.
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I get his point, but it sounds like he’s really not accepting accountability for the pathetic effort in game 7. It’s not that they lost… it’s the way they lost. If guys don’t respect the team enough to try harder than that, then it doesn’t say much for their respect for the coach. I heard some of the quotes from players about GG, but their actions spoke louder.
'If I can’t stand by my record, what I’ve done, then I think there’s something wrong'
Put down the crack pipe, dude. I guess he wasn't watching Games 3, 4, 5, and 7.
Get him out of here.
it's clear he can do some things to have some success, but it's also clear he can't sustain it. or he hasn't so far.
I don't think he's even made it all the way through the 3rd season anywhere, so if they fire Gallant the Rangers would be improving on what the other three teams who fired him eventually figured out.
"Now-pending UFA winger Patrick Kane told reporters at the Rangers’ end-of-season availability today that he was never 100 percent healthy after the trade to New York, but praised the team’s training staff for trying to get him there. Kane did not rule out off-season surgery for the lower-body injury that plagued him the entire 2022-23 season. Kane recorded one goal in seven playoff games for the Rangers and posted a career-low 57 points in the regular season (in a full season)."
We needed healthy players who could skate and forecheck.
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Such a shame Rangers couldn't pepper him each game. Instead they let him pitch not one but two shutouts.
Absent that, are there any young geniuses to replace Kelly and be responsible for making adjustments?
"Now-pending UFA winger Patrick Kane told reporters at the Rangers’ end-of-season availability today that he was never 100 percent healthy after the trade to New York, but praised the team’s training staff for trying to get him there. Kane did not rule out off-season surgery for the lower-body injury that plagued him the entire 2022-23 season. Kane recorded one goal in seven playoff games for the Rangers and posted a career-low 57 points in the regular season (in a full season)."
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Everybody knew he was injured.
They should have went after Max Domi instead of Kane.
I was agreeing with you, lol.
I do believe, even in his injured state he was better than Vesey or whoever else on-roster they tried in that spot.
I also thought in game 7 he was the best NY Rangers player which may be a tallest midget contest but also maybe he juiced up the painkillers for game 7 to allow himself to play through his injury better.
Either way, NYR fans make it seem like they traded a young Bobby Orr to get Kane.
my take too.
Sometimes you have to take a big bold risk by taking that next step. That step may require the Rangers to step outside their comfort zone and wack the HC...
I was agreeing with you, lol.
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Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?
Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?
A question I've been asking myself all evening.
Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?
1. Cause Rangers didn't play as a team
2. They suck
3. They thought they'd just get the cup if they just showed up.
4. All of the above
I think I'll go with #4.
Leach really intrigues me.
Rangers need faster forwards who can do the same (this is why they should have went after Max Domi and not Patrick Kane). Rangers have plenty of toughness: Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider are all pretty tough players.
Rangers need faster forwards who can do the same (this is why they should have went after Max Domi and not Patrick Kane). Rangers have plenty of toughness: Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider are all pretty tough players.
to me that's coaching.
That's probably something that frustrates fans. Last year in my opinion, Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil was the best forechecking line the Rangers had and they were great in the playoffs.
Seemed like they'd have shifts where they cycled for 90 seconds and generated some good scoring chances.
Where was that, this year?
I don't think players skill gets worse over a year, but effort/scheme/role can change.
I put that on the coach, maybe I'm shifting blame off players because I don't have a better answer, but do you?
Serious question, I was disappointed (and I'm not even a Rangers fan) and I'm still trying to understand why they were so flat and seemed lethargic after two dominant games vs NJD.
I think Kakko actually looked pretty good this post-season, but didn't put up the necessary points (again). Laf was invisible.
I think so, but less bullish than I once was. There is always risk with prospects, in hockey especially. It's kind of like baseball since you're drafting 17/18 year old kids.
I don't think either one of them could have been drafted into a worse situation.
it's rare I guess that competitive teams expected to contend get draft picks as high as #1 and #2 overall.
And not making excuses for them, but on a middling or crappy team both Lafreniere and Kakko would have been consistently in the top 6, on PP1 and getting top minutes.
It is a balance where the Rangers were expected to contend but also bring them along and develop them.
of the last 10 #1 overall picks Lafreniere was ranked 7th by the Athletic (ahead of Hischier, Ekblad, and Slafkovsky in order)
I think that's probably right (Owen Power being ahead of him I'm not sure about though), but I hope Slafkovsky makes them eat their words as does Lafreniere.
No idea, but I do hear a lot of podcasts suggesting a trade to MTL. No rumors of one, but saying they could see it happening.
I would give the Panthers pick, maybe throw in a prospect too, but not #5.
Yeah, no way you get good value back and it's not like they're expensive (relatively speaking)
I'm not as high on either as I was on draft day, of course - but I'm surprised so many are down on Kakko. I think he's going to be a 70-80 point player. He's getting better and feels on the verge of putting it altogether. He needs more ice time and powerplay time. He also deserves significant PK time too as well.
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Sounds like a lot of what I have been saying but very interesting (and way too long, lol)
Interesting stuff. Thank you for posting.
This was buried at the bottom of the piece, but there was a note about Valiquette making a comment about Laf's training. Someone on HF commented he came into camp with 24% body fat, which does not sound right just looking at the guy. But it's concerning Vally felt the need to say that.
This was buried at the bottom of the piece, but there was a note about Valiquette making a comment about Laf's training. Someone on HF commented he came into camp with 24% body fat, which does not sound right just looking at the guy. But it's concerning Vally felt the need to say that.
it was during COVID, so who knows, but that doesn't sound right to me either.
Peter Laviolette is considered the safe choice
Kris Knoblauch's hat is in the ring
Rangers doing homework on Mike Babcock
get fired?
get fired?
I believe the hypothetical is that if Toronto cleans house, Dubas is the likely 1A choice for the Pens GM gig, and he could potentially want Keefe as his HC.
A lot of "ifs" involved, and it all comes down to a lot more than an "I want Sullivan" tantrum from Dolan.