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Anakim : 5/1/2023 11:01 pm
So what's next? I'm with Brett. I think both Gallant and Drury need to go. Two straight years of blowing a 2-0 series lead and having your team no-show. Unacceptable.

But I think Drury is our new Sather and I think Gallant will be retained, but Mike Kelly will "retire". I'd rather have Gallant than Sutter, Julien and even Laviolette. The two "retreads" who intrigue me most: Andrew Brunette (DUI and all) and Joel Quenneville. Will Coach Q ever get another HC job again? IDK, doesn't seem like it, but he would definitely be an upgrade at HC.


As for the players...lots of decisions to be made. Two certainties: Kane should walk, if not retire, and Goodrow is going to be a cap dump.

I think 8 guys are definite returns: 1) Igor, 2) Fox, 3) Lindgren, 4)Kreider, 5) Trouba, 6) Zibanejad, 7) Chytil and 8) Schneider

Laf and K'Andre are RFAs and frankly, I hope they both get offer-sheeted. Kakko? Underwhelming. Trocheck likely is coming back, but it's not a certainty.

I'd bring back Tarasenko on the cheap if he's up for it.




And then there's Panarin, who was by far the most disappointing this series. And this is nothing new. Aside from the Game 7 OT winner against the Yinz last year, he's been fucking terrible in the Playoffs. He has a NMC and a huge salary, so IDK if he's movable, but man, this is a problem. He is a total liability when it comes to the Playoffs.
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RE: RE: What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
Anakim : 5/3/2023 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16108396 pjcas18 said:
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!



1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).

not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )


Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance
RE: RE: RE: What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2023 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16108528 Anakim said:
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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!



1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).

not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )



Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance


Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.

This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.



RE: RE: RE: RE: What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
Anakim : 5/3/2023 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16108539 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16108528 Anakim said:


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In comment 16108396 pjcas18 said:


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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!



1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).

not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )



Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance



Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.

This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.





Bummer for you. You have to root for the Maple Leafs to advance to the ECF, eh?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What draft picks do we have this offseason ?  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2023 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16108554 Anakim said:
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In comment 16108528 Anakim said:


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Confused after the Kane and Tarasenko trades!



1st (their own) #24 I believe, 3rd (from the Avs in the Georgiev), and two 6ths (their own and WIN).

not sure if you go to capfriendly at all, but it's a great resource for cap, prospects, draft, etc. Below is the NYR link. it shows you their 2023 picks- trades, etc. link - ( New Window )



Correct me if I'm wrong, but #24 can move up to #22 if the Kraken and Panthers advance



Yes, 22, if both advance, 23 if just one does. And FLA advancing would be terrible since MTL owns that pick. If they advance it goes from 17 to 29 or greater.

This draft has probably a top 17 as good or better than any draft I can recall.







Bummer for you. You have to root for the Maple Leafs to advance to the ECF, eh?


No, lol. I still can't do that. I'd rather get a bad draft pick then the Leafs move a step closer to a cup.
RE: Trouba asked about Gallant  
The_Boss : 5/3/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16108527 Anakim said:
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Notice the pause and hesitation... Telling - ( New Window )


Maybe Drury told him he’s toast
Please fire this guy.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2023 4:43 pm : link
"I can't believe I have to answer some of these questions about me getting fired, brought up by the media. Disappointing."

- Gerard Gallant
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RE: Please fire this guy.  
Anakim : 5/3/2023 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16108790 BrettNYG10 said:
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"I can't believe I have to answer some of these questions about me getting fired, brought up by the media. Disappointing."

- Gerard Gallant Twitter - ( New Window )


He has no accountability. None. It's pathetic.
RE: Please fire this guy.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2023 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16108790 BrettNYG10 said:
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"I can't believe I have to answer some of these questions about me getting fired, brought up by the media. Disappointing."

- Gerard Gallant Twitter - ( New Window )


I get his point, but it sounds like he’s really not accepting accountability for the pathetic effort in game 7. It’s not that they lost… it’s the way they lost. If guys don’t respect the team enough to try harder than that, then it doesn’t say much for their respect for the coach. I heard some of the quotes from players about GG, but their actions spoke louder.
Another headline I saw:  
NYerInMA : 5/3/2023 7:27 pm : link
"Rangers' Gerard Gallant 'can't believe' he's facing questions about his job security"
'If I can’t stand by my record, what I’ve done, then I think there’s something wrong'

Put down the crack pipe, dude. I guess he wasn't watching Games 3, 4, 5, and 7.
Teams with 2-0 leads win 87% of the time.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2023 7:29 pm : link
He lost two of them.

Get him out of here.
This is Gallants  
pjcas18 : 5/3/2023 7:34 pm : link
4th head coaching job. he has never lasted more than 3 years anywhere.

it's clear he can do some things to have some success, but it's also clear he can't sustain it. or he hasn't so far.

I don't think he's even made it all the way through the 3rd season anywhere, so if they fire Gallant the Rangers would be improving on what the other three teams who fired him eventually figured out.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2023 7:48 pm : link
Gallant isn't some terrible head coach, this isn't Joe Judge or Bryan Trottier. He's a good coach that does a lot of things well. But the flaws are too paramount and have been consistent throughout his career.
I want GG gone mostly because I am seeing red  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/3/2023 9:51 pm : link
And his inability to adjust in game or even in series. That said, if a veteran team like the Rangers needs motivation ahead of an SCP game 7, that's on the players more than the coach.
Why did Patrick Kane  
SJGiant : 5/3/2023 10:25 pm : link
even suit up for the playoffs if wasn't 100 percent healthy?.

"Now-pending UFA winger Patrick Kane told reporters at the Rangers’ end-of-season availability today that he was never 100 percent healthy after the trade to New York, but praised the team’s training staff for trying to get him there. Kane did not rule out off-season surgery for the lower-body injury that plagued him the entire 2022-23 season. Kane recorded one goal in seven playoff games for the Rangers and posted a career-low 57 points in the regular season (in a full season)."

We needed healthy players who could skate and forecheck.

Kane Injury Status - ( New Window )
Well whaddya know  
Greg from LI : 12:35 am : link
Schmid actually does suck. Who knew
RE: Well whaddya know  
In comment 16109093 Greg from LI said:
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Schmid actually does suck. Who knew


Such a shame Rangers couldn't pepper him each game. Instead they let him pitch not one but two shutouts.
What would it cost re Carolina  
Will Shine : 8:44 am : link
to pluck Rod Brind'Amour? And since I believe he has rejected us in the past, Dolan should offer to put him in his will.

Absent that, are there any young geniuses to replace Kelly and be responsible for making adjustments?
RE: Why did Patrick Kane  
BrettNYG10 : 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16109066 SJGiant said:
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even suit up for the playoffs if wasn't 100 percent healthy?.

"Now-pending UFA winger Patrick Kane told reporters at the Rangers’ end-of-season availability today that he was never 100 percent healthy after the trade to New York, but praised the team’s training staff for trying to get him there. Kane did not rule out off-season surgery for the lower-body injury that plagued him the entire 2022-23 season. Kane recorded one goal in seven playoff games for the Rangers and posted a career-low 57 points in the regular season (in a full season)."

We needed healthy players who could skate and forecheck. Kane Injury Status - ( New Window )


Everybody knew he was injured.

They should have went after Max Domi instead of Kane.
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BrettNYG10 : 2:18 pm : link
Sorry, SJ, realized my response may have seemed argumentative, which it was not meant to be.

I was agreeing with you, lol.
I really don't think Kane  
pjcas18 : 3:58 pm : link
had much bearing on the outcome of the series (good or bad) and he didn't cost that much to acquire.

I do believe, even in his injured state he was better than Vesey or whoever else on-roster they tried in that spot.

I also thought in game 7 he was the best NY Rangers player which may be a tallest midget contest but also maybe he juiced up the painkillers for game 7 to allow himself to play through his injury better.

Either way, NYR fans make it seem like they traded a young Bobby Orr to get Kane.



RE: .....  
djm : 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16108948 BrettNYG10 said:
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Gallant isn't some terrible head coach, this isn't Joe Judge or Bryan Trottier. He's a good coach that does a lot of things well. But the flaws are too paramount and have been consistent throughout his career.


my take too.

Sometimes you have to take a big bold risk by taking that next step. That step may require the Rangers to step outside their comfort zone and wack the HC...
RE: ...  
SJGiant : 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16109428 BrettNYG10 said:
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Sorry, SJ, realized my response may have seemed argumentative, which it was not meant to be.

I was agreeing with you, lol.


No problem.
Minor news, but the Rangers carry a $600K  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2023 10:28 am : link
cap hit over to next season for performance bonuses earned this season, per capfriendly.
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So the Hurricanes are without Svechnikov, Patches and Teravainen and  
Anakim : 5/5/2023 10:37 pm : link
they're lighting Assa Akira up like a Christmas tree.



Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?
RE: So the Hurricanes are without Svechnikov, Patches and Teravainen and  
NYerInMA : 5/5/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16110450 Anakim said:
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they're lighting Assa Akira up like a Christmas tree.



Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?


A question I've been asking myself all evening.
Well I’ll be a monkey’s uncle!  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2023 11:16 pm : link
You mean Akiva Schmid really *isn't* the second coming of Patrick Roy??
RE: So the Hurricanes are without Svechnikov, Patches and Teravainen and  
Gforce11 : 5/6/2023 1:02 am : link
In comment 16110450 Anakim said:
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they're lighting Assa Akira up like a Christmas tree.



Uhhhhhhh, why couldn't we do that again?


1. Cause Rangers didn't play as a team
2. They suck
3. They thought they'd just get the cup if they just showed up.
4. All of the above

I think I'll go with #4.
Jay Leach intrigues me. Assistant with the Kraken.  
Anakim : 5/9/2023 8:51 pm : link
Look at the Kraken lineup. They win on their system. It’s Matty Benjers, Yanni Gourde, Jordan Eberle and a bunch of castaways.

Leach really intrigues me.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 12:09 pm : link
'Tougher to play against' is too vague of a phrase. Devils aren't a 'tough' team but they were pretty ferocious on the forecheck.

Rangers need faster forwards who can do the same (this is why they should have went after Max Domi and not Patrick Kane). Rangers have plenty of toughness: Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider are all pretty tough players.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16113582 BrettNYG10 said:
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'Tougher to play against' is too vague of a phrase. Devils aren't a 'tough' team but they were pretty ferocious on the forecheck.

Rangers need faster forwards who can do the same (this is why they should have went after Max Domi and not Patrick Kane). Rangers have plenty of toughness: Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider are all pretty tough players.


to me that's coaching.


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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 12:20 pm : link
Maybe? I'm not sure. Guys like Laf and Chytil should be superior forecheckers than they showed against the Devils, so maybe you're right. The Rangers top six is light on those types outside of Kreider.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16113591 BrettNYG10 said:
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Maybe? I'm not sure. Guys like Laf and Chytil should be superior forecheckers than they showed against the Devils, so maybe you're right. The Rangers top six is light on those types outside of Kreider.


That's probably something that frustrates fans. Last year in my opinion, Kakko, Lafreniere, and Chytil was the best forechecking line the Rangers had and they were great in the playoffs.

Seemed like they'd have shifts where they cycled for 90 seconds and generated some good scoring chances.

Where was that, this year?

I don't think players skill gets worse over a year, but effort/scheme/role can change.

I put that on the coach, maybe I'm shifting blame off players because I don't have a better answer, but do you?

Serious question, I was disappointed (and I'm not even a Rangers fan) and I'm still trying to understand why they were so flat and seemed lethargic after two dominant games vs NJD.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 12:53 pm : link
I don't have a better answer, either. You've played competitively (I haven't) but there are times you just feel overwhelmed against a team you are even with. Usually you need a break or an individual play to break through and regain confidence or something like that. Can coaches help generate that? Yeah, I think so.

I think Kakko actually looked pretty good this post-season, but didn't put up the necessary points (again). Laf was invisible.
pj as a non Ranger fan yet objective...  
Drewcon40 : 5/10/2023 1:06 pm : link
...what do you think of Kakko and Lafrenière in terms of potential now? Can a new coach salvage their pre-draft projections?
RE: pj as a non Ranger fan yet objective...  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16113631 Drewcon40 said:
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...what do you think of Kakko and Lafrenière in terms of potential now? Can a new coach salvage their pre-draft projections?


I think so, but less bullish than I once was. There is always risk with prospects, in hockey especially. It's kind of like baseball since you're drafting 17/18 year old kids.

I don't think either one of them could have been drafted into a worse situation.

it's rare I guess that competitive teams expected to contend get draft picks as high as #1 and #2 overall.

And not making excuses for them, but on a middling or crappy team both Lafreniere and Kakko would have been consistently in the top 6, on PP1 and getting top minutes.

It is a balance where the Rangers were expected to contend but also bring them along and develop them.

of the last 10 #1 overall picks Lafreniere was ranked 7th by the Athletic (ahead of Hischier, Ekblad, and Slafkovsky in order)

I think that's probably right (Owen Power being ahead of him I'm not sure about though), but I hope Slafkovsky makes them eat their words as does Lafreniere.

What could Laf realistically net?  
Anakim : 5/10/2023 2:00 pm : link
Top-10 pick? Top-15? Worse?
RE: What could Laf realistically net?  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 2:04 pm : link
In comment 16113661 Anakim said:
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Top-10 pick? Top-15? Worse?


No idea, but I do hear a lot of podcasts suggesting a trade to MTL. No rumors of one, but saying they could see it happening.

I would give the Panthers pick, maybe throw in a prospect too, but not #5.

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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 2:27 pm : link
I think trading Laf or Kakko would be awful.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16113689 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think trading Laf or Kakko would be awful.


Yeah, no way you get good value back and it's not like they're expensive (relatively speaking)
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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 3:31 pm : link
Right - you get a 40 point two-way winger in Kakko for nothing with upside potential.

I'm not as high on either as I was on draft day, of course - but I'm surprised so many are down on Kakko. I think he's going to be a 70-80 point player. He's getting better and feels on the verge of putting it altogether. He needs more ice time and powerplay time. He also deserves significant PK time too as well.
Plus even if Kakko is only a 40-50 point scorer  
Greg from LI : 5/10/2023 4:03 pm : link
His all-around game is so sound that he provides real value. Maybe not what you hope for from a second overall pick, but a good player.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2023 7:11 pm : link
Here's an interesting article on Lafreniere. Gives a pretty optimistic painting of his third season.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2023 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16113870 BrettNYG10 said:
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Here's an interesting article on Lafreniere. Gives a pretty optimistic painting of his third season. Link - ( New Window )


Sounds like a lot of what I have been saying but very interesting (and way too long, lol)
RE: .....  
bigbluehoya : 5/11/2023 9:46 am : link
In comment 16113870 BrettNYG10 said:
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Here's an interesting article on Lafreniere. Gives a pretty optimistic painting of his third season. Link - ( New Window )


Interesting stuff. Thank you for posting.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2023 10:06 am : link
lol, pj, I don't quite understand the visualization charts. The 5v5 data is what interests me most.

This was buried at the bottom of the piece, but there was a note about Valiquette making a comment about Laf's training. Someone on HF commented he came into camp with 24% body fat, which does not sound right just looking at the guy. But it's concerning Vally felt the need to say that.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2023 10:07 am : link
In comment 16114370 BrettNYG10 said:
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lol, pj, I don't quite understand the visualization charts. The 5v5 data is what interests me most.

This was buried at the bottom of the piece, but there was a note about Valiquette making a comment about Laf's training. Someone on HF commented he came into camp with 24% body fat, which does not sound right just looking at the guy. But it's concerning Vally felt the need to say that.


it was during COVID, so who knows, but that doesn't sound right to me either.
Vince Mercogliano:  
Anakim : 5/12/2023 12:25 pm : link
Mike Sullivan is the #1 choice, but he doesn't think he will shake loose.

Peter Laviolette is considered the safe choice

Kris Knoblauch's hat is in the ring

Rangers doing homework on Mike Babcock
Laviolette? Babcock?  
Greg from LI : 5/12/2023 12:29 pm : link
Dear God, no
How would Sullivan  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2023 12:30 pm : link
shake loose exactly?

get fired?
RE: How would Sullivan  
bigbluehoya : 5/12/2023 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16115347 pjcas18 said:
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shake loose exactly?

get fired?


I believe the hypothetical is that if Toronto cleans house, Dubas is the likely 1A choice for the Pens GM gig, and he could potentially want Keefe as his HC.

A lot of "ifs" involved, and it all comes down to a lot more than an "I want Sullivan" tantrum from Dolan.

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