Random encounter unexpectedly at Starbucks. Spoke to him briefly, told him I was a third generation huge Giants fan and thanked him for his contributions to the Giants. He was appreciative of the kind words and thanked me. Air Gilbride!
Friend of mine played on Gilbride’s first team as a head coach, Southern Connecticut State in 1980. He speaks very highly of him, says his attention to detail was amazing, it was no surprise he and Coughlin worked well together
He got a raw deal in the end and was the first Reese scapegoat. His offense required a solid line so receivers had time to run complicated route trees and get open downfield and Reese and crew couldn’t provide that so they blamed it on Gilbride. Coughlin was the next one to be fired for no reason.
Was the best I've ever seen as a fan. Mainly Eli played out of his mind, but Gilbrides offense was magic on the field when it all clicked.
I kinda feel bad how much fans dogged him with the "Killdrive" rhetoric. He was a damn good coordinator.
To think, with his resume he was initially a QB coach under Hufnagel early in TC's tenure. Kinda makes me wonder where he was mentally at that point in his career. In the end though I think we can all agree, dude holds a special place in NYG history.
He got a raw deal in the end and was the first Reese scapegoat. His offense required a solid line so receivers had time to run complicated route trees and get open downfield and Reese and crew couldn’t provide that so they blamed it on Gilbride. Coughlin was the next one to be fired for no reason.
Well I disagree with the "for no reason" It's easy to say that in hindsight based on the three coaches who followed him but starting around 2013 definitely by 2015 a lot of Giant fans especially here at BBI were questioning if Coughlin had lost his touch and was getting too old for the job. His bizarre uncharacteristic decision to leave Odell in that game where he kept brawling with Josh Norman was sort of the final nail for me because seem like he was just desperately trying to keep his job at that point. 12 years is an eternity to be coach of one team in the NFL
I'm on the Gilbride is a good OC boat- his talent fell apart
The Giants offense was very good. Plus lets not forget the Oiler offense directed, this was one of the most prolific offense of all time. They were unstoppable in the 90's.
has his detractors but I absolutely loved his offense. Sure there were plays he called that had you scratching your head wondering wtf was he thinking but what OC doesn't do that? There was no denying that when we had the horses to make it work not only was his offense fun to watch but damn near unstoppable. Gilbride gets nothing but kudos from me for his time with us
His granddaughter was a cheerleader. I knew is daughter taught in one of the school systems I worked in so I was able to strike up a non football conversation. Sometimes guys like him don't want to talk about work when they are off the clock. We ended up chatting for at least 10 minutes. At the time he lived in RI, he might still but he was awesome. Funny, friendly ended up telling me some great stories.
His granddaughter was a cheerleader. I knew is daughter taught in one of the school systems I worked in so I was able to strike up a non football conversation. Sometimes guys like him don't want to talk about work when they are off the clock. We ended up chatting for at least 10 minutes. At the time he lived in RI, he might still but he was awesome. Funny, friendly ended up telling me some great stories.
I find very few people who are famous for doing something like talking about what made them famous. I keep this in mind when the rare encounter occurs.
I think it was the other way around. I think Eli was great for him. I think there are very few of Eli's peers that would have thrived in that offense. Just my opinion.
His granddaughter was a cheerleader. I knew is daughter taught in one of the school systems I worked in so I was able to strike up a non football conversation. Sometimes guys like him don't want to talk about work when they are off the clock. We ended up chatting for at least 10 minutes. At the time he lived in RI, he might still but he was awesome. Funny, friendly ended up telling me some great stories.
but when it clicked it was very special. Huge responsibility on the QB lots of audibleing to the perfect play, a lot of mis communications, a lot of delay of games, but in the 2 playoff runs they clicked and when it did it was hard to defend. Lots of respect for his football IQ the asshole Buddy Ryan really was spared a terrible beating because he is a good man that held back.
A close college friend of mine is related to his wife
So I’ve met him a few times, even stopping at his house to pick up tickets when he was the OC. He’s all class and always willing to talk ball.
A year prior to his retirement I had heard he only had one year left and was hanging on to spend time with his son. Knowing this then hearing the forced retirement theory always chapped me.
The peak of the Giants offense in my lifetime was the Bucs-Giants game in 2012 week 2 after winning super bowl. Sadly the peak was also the beginning of a quick downfall when Nicks got hurt in that game. I've been to a ton of Giants regular season games and just pure entertainment wise that game may have been the most entertaining. Eli throwing for what, 500 yards? Wildly fun.
I think it was the other way around. I think Eli was great for him. I think there are very few of Eli's peers that would have thrived in that offense. Just my opinion.
Ok, how about this? They were great for each other? 😎
He got a raw deal in the end and was the first Reese scapegoat. His offense required a solid line so receivers had time to run complicated route trees and get open downfield and Reese and crew couldn’t provide that so they blamed it on Gilbride. Coughlin was the next one to be fired for no reason.
Well I disagree with the "for no reason" It's easy to say that in hindsight based on the three coaches who followed him but starting around 2013 definitely by 2015 a lot of Giant fans especially here at BBI were questioning if Coughlin had lost his touch and was getting too old for the job. His bizarre uncharacteristic decision to leave Odell in that game where he kept brawling with Josh Norman was sort of the final nail for me because seem like he was just desperately trying to keep his job at that point. 12 years is an eternity to be coach of one team in the NFL
I hit the same point on Coughlin that game. You can't preach discipline while you let a player with none of it keep hurting the team with selfish acts over and over again.
Coughlin was a great coach, but sometimes it is just time to step away. That was true of Coughlin and Gilbride. Both did great things with the Giants and deserve a ton of respect for that. However, that doesn't mean that they didn't both reach the time when they needed to go.
and fully aligned with Eli after many years together. Won a lot of games different ways. Heavy run early and especially in '08 but still had big play chunk plays via the pass. '11 they aired it out more utilizing a strength of the team.
Nicks injury hurt big time. Barden, Randle and Jernigan were pretty much UDFA's. They didn't have the OL and running game to overcome that injury.
Someone had to take the fall for the old guard aging out and the poor drafts that were getting worse. First on the target list from Reese and the FO.
TC made some mistakes and it does not excuse him but I think part of his decision making was he knew the team did not have many playmakers (OBJ). TC was the one getting one year extensions and he certainly wasn't the one putting a SB clock in the locker room which tells me who was running things.
and fully aligned with Eli after many years together. Won a lot of games different ways. Heavy run early and especially in '08 but still had big play chunk plays via the pass. '11 they aired it out more utilizing a strength of the team.
Nicks injury hurt big time. Barden, Randle and Jernigan were pretty much UDFA's. They didn't have the OL and running game to overcome that injury.
Someone had to take the fall for the old guard aging out and the poor drafts that were getting worse. First on the target list from Reese and the FO.
TC made some mistakes and it does not excuse him but I think part of his decision making was he knew the team did not have many playmakers (OBJ). TC was the one getting one year extensions and he certainly wasn't the one putting a SB clock in the locker room which tells me who was running things.
if KG was retained. Some speculated he would make a stand and then KG retired and his son stayed on staff.
Mara got fooled by Reese and the front office.
Remember this beauty from Mara after 2013:
“I’m not sure why it took us three years to find out Jerrel Jernigan could play,” Mara said Monday, according to Paul Schwartz of the New York Post. “Sometimes you have to put younger players in the game and give them a chance. It would have been nice for him to get in a little bit earlier. That’s not my decision.”
Jernigan was out of the NFL after his contract. Barden and Randle joined him.
The OL bottomed out in 2013 and the DL joined in 2014.
The SB clock and 2012 draft was the front office in full charge though I suspect it had been brewing for a couple years already.
I loved Gilbride. Not sure how his offense would have changed as offensive lines (league-wide) deteriorated over the past decade.
That 2013 line was so dreadful. 2011 was worse than I think people remember - at least in the regular season. Huge credit to Eli and the receivers that season.
I felt bad Gilbride got scapegoated for that year but that's the business he's in.
I loved Gilbride. Not sure how his offense would have changed as offensive lines (league-wide) deteriorated over the past decade.
That 2013 line was so dreadful. 2011 was worse than I think people remember - at least in the regular season. Huge credit to Eli and the receivers that season.
I felt bad Gilbride got scapegoated for that year but that's the business he's in.
Coughlin definitely went to the Cris Carter school of fall guys.
I love Old Frozen Face as much as anyone, but his management philosophy was always "Shit's getting tough? Fire a coordinator."
his wife before the 2013 season that he would retire after the season if he was not offered a HC position. Not sure what evidence there is that Coughlin 'scapegoated' Gilbride.
There are high-ranking officials in the Giants organization that believe Gilbride will be fired, according to a source with knowledge of the organization's thinking. And the belief is that unless something surprising occurs in organizational meetings over the next week, the Giants will have a new offensive coordinator next season.
Among the chief reasons for the change: the regression of quarterback Eli Manning, who threw a franchise record 27 interceptions this season.
It may take some time before the move is made official. The Giants are in the process of an organization evaluation that head coach Tom Coughlin said could stretch into next week.
The source said it's unlikely Coughlin will put his job on the line for Gilbride.
I definitely believe the guy who lost his job was leaving anyway, and that it was everyone else's fault all along.
Who can argue with this:
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No one had figured that offense out for 24 years. To think that they figured it out this year would be pretty ludicrous.
A beacon of self awareness and accountability. I'm shocked no one came calling with that head coaching gig. We're talking about an offense no one figured out.
I definitely believe the guy who lost his job was leaving anyway, and that it was everyone else's fault all along.
Who can argue with this:
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No one had figured that offense out for 24 years. To think that they figured it out this year would be pretty ludicrous.
A beacon of self awareness and accountability. I'm shocked no one came calling with that head coaching gig. We're talking about an offense no one figured out.
Regardless, the link you posted provides zero evidence that Gilbride was made the scapegoat by Coughlin.
So you mean to say the issue was the talent, the owner had it all wrong, and instead of going to bat for Gilbride, Coughlin let the owner push out someone on his staff?
I kinda feel bad how much fans dogged him with the "Killdrive" rhetoric. He was a damn good coordinator.
To think, with his resume he was initially a QB coach under Hufnagel early in TC's tenure. Kinda makes me wonder where he was mentally at that point in his career. In the end though I think we can all agree, dude holds a special place in NYG history.
Well I disagree with the "for no reason" It's easy to say that in hindsight based on the three coaches who followed him but starting around 2013 definitely by 2015 a lot of Giant fans especially here at BBI were questioning if Coughlin had lost his touch and was getting too old for the job. His bizarre uncharacteristic decision to leave Odell in that game where he kept brawling with Josh Norman was sort of the final nail for me because seem like he was just desperately trying to keep his job at that point. 12 years is an eternity to be coach of one team in the NFL
Yes he’s in RI still
A year prior to his retirement I had heard he only had one year left and was hanging on to spend time with his son. Knowing this then hearing the forced retirement theory always chapped me.
Ok, how about this? They were great for each other? 😎
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He got a raw deal in the end and was the first Reese scapegoat. His offense required a solid line so receivers had time to run complicated route trees and get open downfield and Reese and crew couldn’t provide that so they blamed it on Gilbride. Coughlin was the next one to be fired for no reason.
Well I disagree with the "for no reason" It's easy to say that in hindsight based on the three coaches who followed him but starting around 2013 definitely by 2015 a lot of Giant fans especially here at BBI were questioning if Coughlin had lost his touch and was getting too old for the job. His bizarre uncharacteristic decision to leave Odell in that game where he kept brawling with Josh Norman was sort of the final nail for me because seem like he was just desperately trying to keep his job at that point. 12 years is an eternity to be coach of one team in the NFL
I hit the same point on Coughlin that game. You can't preach discipline while you let a player with none of it keep hurting the team with selfish acts over and over again.
Coughlin was a great coach, but sometimes it is just time to step away. That was true of Coughlin and Gilbride. Both did great things with the Giants and deserve a ton of respect for that. However, that doesn't mean that they didn't both reach the time when they needed to go.
That Washington game with 55 pass attempts into storm-level winds will live in infamy
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called him Kevin Killdrive for most of his duration here.
That Washington game with 55 pass attempts into storm-level winds will live in infamy
I haven’t thought about that in years.
Nicks injury hurt big time. Barden, Randle and Jernigan were pretty much UDFA's. They didn't have the OL and running game to overcome that injury.
Someone had to take the fall for the old guard aging out and the poor drafts that were getting worse. First on the target list from Reese and the FO.
TC made some mistakes and it does not excuse him but I think part of his decision making was he knew the team did not have many playmakers (OBJ). TC was the one getting one year extensions and he certainly wasn't the one putting a SB clock in the locker room which tells me who was running things.
Nicks injury hurt big time. Barden, Randle and Jernigan were pretty much UDFA's. They didn't have the OL and running game to overcome that injury.
Someone had to take the fall for the old guard aging out and the poor drafts that were getting worse. First on the target list from Reese and the FO.
TC made some mistakes and it does not excuse him but I think part of his decision making was he knew the team did not have many playmakers (OBJ). TC was the one getting one year extensions and he certainly wasn't the one putting a SB clock in the locker room which tells me who was running things.
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Dumber makes his way to another thread. Best to spend more time hitting the books to up the intellect instead of following me and others around.
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Yes I agree with some aspects of this for you and highlighted your lower intelligence already and projecting onto others as a defense mechanism.
That showed me Coughlin really believed in him and knew the issue was talent not coaching.
Without that the Giants probably end up with a goofball like Ben McAdoo at offensive coordinator or even more frightening head coach.
Mara got fooled by Reese and the front office.
Remember this beauty from Mara after 2013:
“I’m not sure why it took us three years to find out Jerrel Jernigan could play,” Mara said Monday, according to Paul Schwartz of the New York Post. “Sometimes you have to put younger players in the game and give them a chance. It would have been nice for him to get in a little bit earlier. That’s not my decision.”
Jernigan was out of the NFL after his contract. Barden and Randle joined him.
The OL bottomed out in 2013 and the DL joined in 2014.
The SB clock and 2012 draft was the front office in full charge though I suspect it had been brewing for a couple years already.
And he brought us Warren Moon. Why did the Giants scapegoat his ass?
Makes a great stocking stuffer, anniversary keepsake, and perfect for Dads and Grads. You name the occasion and it's there.
That 2013 line was so dreadful. 2011 was worse than I think people remember - at least in the regular season. Huge credit to Eli and the receivers that season.
I felt bad Gilbride got scapegoated for that year but that's the business he's in.
That 2013 line was so dreadful. 2011 was worse than I think people remember - at least in the regular season. Huge credit to Eli and the receivers that season.
I felt bad Gilbride got scapegoated for that year but that's the business he's in.
Coughlin definitely went to the Cris Carter school of fall guys.
I love Old Frozen Face as much as anyone, but his management philosophy was always "Shit's getting tough? Fire a coordinator."
I could be totally wrong, of course.
Among the chief reasons for the change: the regression of quarterback Eli Manning, who threw a franchise record 27 interceptions this season.
It may take some time before the move is made official. The Giants are in the process of an organization evaluation that head coach Tom Coughlin said could stretch into next week.
The source said it's unlikely Coughlin will put his job on the line for Gilbride.
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Who can argue with this:
A beacon of self awareness and accountability. I'm shocked no one came calling with that head coaching gig. We're talking about an offense no one figured out.
Who can argue with this:
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No one had figured that offense out for 24 years. To think that they figured it out this year would be pretty ludicrous.
A beacon of self awareness and accountability. I'm shocked no one came calling with that head coaching gig. We're talking about an offense no one figured out.
Regardless, the link you posted provides zero evidence that Gilbride was made the scapegoat by Coughlin.
My view is simple: Coughlin didn't go to bat for Gilbride, and Gilbride walked away instead of being fired.
The evidence?
There are morons who think all sorts of things.
Some of them repeat the same word salad about a Super Bowl clock so often that you'd think they have no other words in their vocabulary
My view is simple: Coughlin didn't go to bat for Gilbride, and Gilbride walked away instead of being fired.
The evidence?
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The source said it's unlikely Coughlin will put his job on the line for Gilbride.
That is not evidence.
So you mean to say the issue was the talent, the owner had it all wrong, and instead of going to bat for Gilbride, Coughlin let the owner push out someone on his staff?
Seems like a very special episode of:
You don't know what Coughlin had to say about Gilbride behind the scenes good or bad. Or in other words, you are lacking any real evidence.
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thinks TC scapegoated Gilbride. Just look at Mara's quote regarding Jernigan who ended up in the CFL for one year after his contract expired.
There are morons who think all sorts of things.
Some of them repeat the same word salad about a Super Bowl clock so often that you'd think they have no other words in their vocabulary
I may have sold you short with Dumber and Dumbest is better suited in your case. Apologies.