There was smoke the Giants were interested in Hopkins but wanted to see how the draft played out. Heading into OTA's this is my best guess as to how the WR's sit:
1. Slayton
2. Hodgins
3. Campbell
4. Hyatt
5. Crowder
6. Smith
PS - Ford-Wheaton
PUP - Robinson
PUP - Shepard
I see a bunch of role players who can be solid if they're not all punching above their weight class. But lots of Robins, no Batman.
Hodgins is a nice safety valve on the backside of a #1. You do not want him as your #1.
Slayton is a nice arrow to have, but shouldn't be relied upon as a full-time starter.
Campbell has shown to be more of a role player than a go-to guy.
Hyatt's a rookie.
When Shep/Robinson come back, they still aren't #1's either.
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Isn't there still plenty of room for Hopkins? Does it make sense to bring him in?
My opinion is that if there was real smoke, it has wafted away
I believe it's definitely bottom half, maybe bottom third.
And we are still in the bottom third in terms of our WR room but we just don’t have the money. This was never a 1-2 year rebuild. We will continue retooling and rebuilding. Hopefully next year we get a true #1 WR or maybe someone steps up.
He can still play. Just his number is too high.
i think arizona would be thrilled to swap hopkins for barkley and that's one way to open up a salary slot but i dont think id want to trade a 26 year old captain for another 30+ skill player who if kept would likely cost a chunk more than barkley.
My opinion is that if there was real smoke, it has wafted away
Yup. Waller is the #1. If he stays healthy, he's going to be very productive in the offense with Kafka.
Wan'Dale also is very shifty and was coming on strong prior to getting hurt.
I’d be fine with Hopkins but don’t want to give up too much for l him. I’d gladly pay him for 2 years or so, but I’m not giving up much, if anything.
I agree with you, he’s not that close to over the hill.
Fitzgerald, Bolden, Smith Sr, A. Johnson, Wayne…etc. the all time greats have found the sauce to be legitimate number 1s beyond 30. He’s an all time great as well. If NYG trade for him, and the interest is pretty evident, giants brass believe he’s got multiple seasons left.
As a side note, I hope Barkley proves the league wrong as well, for whomever he ultimately finishes his career with. Notwithstanding the shit birds.
He gets separation by his ability to trick those CBs defending him. He's a good route runner with great hands. As his speed slows up, he might not be as good at getting separation. Right now, he's fine. Down the road, maybe not so much.
As we all know by now, Schoen is always looking, but I don't think he'd be considering Hopkins as a player helping out down the road. If the price was right though, it could make sense. The trade off would be what draft picks would be losing and how big is the cap cost and for how many years.
Barkley is top level RB
WR - outside of Atlanta in the NFC who are the Giants better than at WR
Waller can certainly elevate the WR group for what he can do. He should also help Barkley in the pass game
2 out of 3 isn’t bad
You don't know the actual assets and IMO the bigger issue is what he does to the cap. You want Hopkins of to re-sign Andrew Thomas and McKinney? WRs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. You need a team built well. This team isn't a Hopkins away from the Super Bowl. But it's easy to say you want player X and ignore f what it wail cost and what the cap effects will be.
Talk like this got us Golloday.
EXACTLY!
What else do you want to talk about? My favorite color?
How? He only played 9 games last season, and only 4 of them with Murray. In those for games - 36/385/3. Over a full season minus 1 game for injury that’s basically right what he’s been doing for years - 144/1540/12.
I realize it won’t go as smoothly as the above but his ability is still very much there. How long it lasts is a fair question but he’s definitely not done.
I view Slayton as more of a #3, possibly #4 when Robinson is back. Hyatt, Robinson, and Hodgins are above him in my opinion. They’ll bring Hyatt along slowly, but it won’t be long before he surpasses Slayton on the depth chart.
They signed Campbell as well who has plenty of potential, but has the injury history.
In terms of #1, 2, 3, 4, etc. with this offense though I’m not sure how much it matters. They rotate players all over the place and the game still revolves around Jones’ rushing ability. It’s not what I would consider to be a traditional offense with a clear cut WR depth chart.
To get the best receivers on the field, are we going to see Waller and one of the WRs in the double slot? Waller could play outside but that eliminates much of his mismatch advantage.
Except for Slayton and Hodgins, slot may be the best position for the other Giants WRs, including Hyatt (and Robinson and Shepard when active).
you have a QB who can move and a TE who is hard to handle on the move. Thankfully, this coaching staff knows how to use that and not have the TE do curl routes
Bellinger, Cager, Hudson, Vannett, Myarick had 64 catches
The question is they had 346 completions last year
TE - 64
RB - 82
WR - 200
What is the number this year and where is the production breakdown
For those saying Waller is the #1, I'd challenge that. He can be the #1 option, but I'm talking about a #1 WR.
Having Waller's great, but what you really want is a #1 WR paired with the great TE. That's what they were at least interested in doing in the draft. There's a reason a #1 WR is high on the wish list.
If the Giants had a dominant WR (deep), Waller (intermediate) and Barkley (short), they'd have a complete offense that can move the ball on anyone. Right now, if you're being objective, they are still missing that commanding presence at WR. Teams can double Waller and key Barkley and still not really worry about that 3rd element.
Maybe - maybe - Hyatt can be that guy. I really like him.