The kids just can’t get out of their way and continue to make bad decisions. Will ATN calling the election for Mecken come back to haunt them in a big way. Sure seems that way.
And I can't help but think Logan would have done what Roman would have done - keep the power player in their pocket. Then again he has told important people to fuck off. I guess the question is "would he have called Wisconsin?"
Same here. It was so fun to watch Shiv just get outplayed at every turn. Now, I doubt this is going to work out well for Roman in the end, but it was pretty fun to watch it go down. I also thought that Rogan definitely showed some Logan in him as Logan would not have waited a second before calling it for Mencken if the thought it would help him in the end.
All-around fun episode and the election really just snuck up on us
But I didn't understand how Jiminez or Mencken would affect the Madsson deal. Because there would be more transparency if Mencken was elected? There'd be more of a channel to the White House?
if before, maybe it was always this way, but Shiv's speech pattern of saying "yeah" after every sentence is massively annoying. She sounds almost like a Canadian hockey player.
But I didn't understand how Jiminez or Mencken would affect the Madsson deal. Because there would be more transparency if Mencken was elected? There'd be more of a channel to the White House?
I thought they said that Mencken assured them they would block the GOJO deal.
Obviously, Jiminez is going to win the election and this is going to backfire enormously, but just seeing Shiv and Nate (the one she cheated on him with) get outplayed was just glorious.
I can see scenarios where Jimenez actually wins or one where Mencken actually does but Mattson already got to him.
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I think it could be either, but I think Roman is going to kill the brand and that would be a lot worse for the siblings than getting a shit ton of money. But, yeah, a Mattson/Mencken deal would work pretty well in screwing Kendall and Roman as well. This is definitely a pyrrhic victory of some sort, but as I said it was definitely fun to watch.
That calling the election for Menken when all the numbers in Wisconsin haven’t been counted is going to be a huge mistake for ATN and the kids as a whole. The votes will be recounted and Jimenez will win the state and the election. This will be a PR nightmare for ATN and the Waystar Royco stock will plummet. Mattson will back out of the deal, and the kids will be left feuding for whatever is left of Royco.
The kids just aren’t capable of running this big of a company and Logan knew it.
The FTC/FCC/DOJ can challenge a deal. The Treasury also has some power - I don't know the particular lines of authority on this, some of it depends on the industry. The President can appoint people (or direct them) to challenge the deal under a whole host of grounds - it sounds like there was a foreign ownership angle here, something that has been used before (see the link).
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal. The Hill - ( New Window )
if before, maybe it was always this way, but Shiv's speech pattern of saying "yeah" after every sentence is massively annoying. She sounds almost like a Canadian hockey player.
I thought it was a meh episode.
i think the speech pattern thing is something logan used to do. all the kids seem to be mirroring some of his old mannerisms more or maybe it's just more noticeable now with his presence gone.
The FTC/FCC/DOJ can challenge a deal. The Treasury also has some power - I don't know the particular lines of authority on this, some of it depends on the industry. The President can appoint people (or direct them) to challenge the deal under a whole host of grounds - it sounds like there was a foreign ownership angle here, something that has been used before (see the link).
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal. The Hill - ( New Window )
it will be hung up for years in litigation even if they're not successful, like you said who cares the parties can give up rather than fight because it will cost millions just to fight it and as mentioned can take years if it's challenged.
RE: RE: Wait, how could Mencken kill the deal as POTUS?
The FTC/FCC/DOJ can challenge a deal. The Treasury also has some power - I don't know the particular lines of authority on this, some of it depends on the industry. The President can appoint people (or direct them) to challenge the deal under a whole host of grounds - it sounds like there was a foreign ownership angle here, something that has been used before (see the link).
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal. The Hill - ( New Window )
That calling the election for Menken when all the numbers in Wisconsin haven’t been counted is going to be a huge mistake for ATN and the kids as a whole. The votes will be recounted and Jimenez will win the state and the election. This will be a PR nightmare for ATN and the Waystar Royco stock will plummet. Mattson will back out of the deal, and the kids will be left feuding for whatever is left of Royco.
The kids just aren’t capable of running this big of a company and Logan knew it.
And Logan proves that he was right...again, only from the grave this time. Disappointing, but makes sense to me.
Because ATN called Mencken the winner, that doesn’t officially mean he won. There are other networks that obviously didn’t declare Mencken the winner. Yet, there we see Menken giving his acceptance speech.
Because ATN called Mencken the winner, that doesn’t officially mean he won. There are other networks that obviously didn’t declare Mencken the winner. Yet, there we see Menken giving his acceptance speech.
Obviously it isn’t official, but having a major news outlet declare you the winner is HUGE. This is what makes this show so good, how the writers tie in real life storylines to plot of the show. (Election night 2020)
was a bit dumb. Why couldn't they qualify it with "assuming the destroyed ballots aren't able to mathematically tip the scale, pending adjudication" or whatever.
I know it was done for dramatic purposes, etc., but there seemed to be a lack of ability to find any nuance in the tension of their challenge. News changes so quickly in the world, this would not seem to be a situation that would make or break their news organization. It all seemed very overblown, which wasn't necessary considering their different strategies with trying to balance the reporting of the election vs. the deal they are trying to make with Mencken, and the deal with GOJO, in general.
But Tom and Greg in that episode were really awesome.
was a bit dumb. Why couldn't they qualify it with "assuming the destroyed ballots aren't able to mathematically tip the scale, pending adjudication" or whatever.
I know it was done for dramatic purposes, etc., but there seemed to be a lack of ability to find any nuance in the tension of their challenge. News changes so quickly in the world, this would not seem to be a situation that would make or break their news organization. It all seemed very overblown, which wasn't necessary considering their different strategies with trying to balance the reporting of the election vs. the deal they are trying to make with Mencken, and the deal with GOJO, in general.
But Tom and Greg in that episode were really awesome.
You brought me bodega sushi Greg!
RE: RE: Wait, how could Mencken kill the deal as POTUS?
if before, maybe it was always this way, but Shiv's speech pattern of saying "yeah" after every sentence is massively annoying. She sounds almost like a Canadian hockey player.
I thought it was a meh episode.
My wife and I have been talking about this for weeks. It’s not just Shiv, Tom and Ken do it too.
if before, maybe it was always this way, but Shiv's speech pattern of saying "yeah" after every sentence is massively annoying. She sounds almost like a Canadian hockey player.
I thought it was a meh episode.
My wife and I have been talking about this for weeks. It’s not just Shiv, Tom and Ken do it too.
FWIW, it's definitely on purpose. Plenty of people have verbal ticks.
not because they have impediments. Just watch the other stuff they are in.
As for the episode, meh. Definitely not the best of the season because I didn’t buy the argument about declaring Wisconsin. Felt like something with a very simple solution that they purposely made into a pissing match to increase the drama. I did like the scene with Ken calling Nate right after being told he’s an ok father, lol.
Not trying to get political here, but the practice of….
“calling a state” by networks should discontinued. Networks scramble to make the call, but they can be, and have been, wrong in the past. And that suppresses votes in those and other states. Late voters won’t bother because of the perception that the result is already a fait accompli.
The top characters are full of unprofessional, unrealistic, language.
The constant use of Dude. Barroom language/imagery in professional settings.
Last night there was the phone call (Ken and Jiminez, I think) where, man, they must of called each other man, like a dozen times, man.
Shiv picked a hell of a time to derail Tom. Could be a good intentional ploy, but more likely, just another clueless, incompetent offspring moment.
This is the final season, and only 2 episodes left, so things are going to come crashing down pretty fast. I still predict it'll all end like Connor's concession speech, with each of them saying, "yeah, I lost, but I'm still a billionaire, so fuck you, peasant"
Is lost after two generations and this show illustrates why. Although nowadays that wealth is many many times larger than in the past so these lunkheads and their children will survive just fine.
It was great watching Connor think he had a chance.
Logan wouldn't have been in the position to need to call a state - I think Mattson only put ATN in the deal because Logan was gone.
Calling a state that early seems like bad television, wouldn't you want the drama to play out over multiple days? They were forced into a bad strategic decision. Thinking of the last election, I watched coverage for a few days as it played out.
Shiv sucks, no idea why she didn't at least call Nate? She is an idiot.
I thought Roman emerged as a potential force - he was decisive, although incredibly unethical.
The top characters are full of unprofessional, unrealistic, language.
The constant use of Dude. Barroom language/imagery in professional settings.
Last night there was the phone call (Ken and Jiminez, I think) where, man, they must of called each other man, like a dozen times, man.
Shiv picked a hell of a time to derail Tom. Could be a good intentional ploy, but more likely, just another clueless, incompetent offspring moment.
This is the final season, and only 2 episodes left, so things are going to come crashing down pretty fast. I still predict it'll all end like Connor's concession speech, with each of them saying, "yeah, I lost, but I'm still a billionaire, so fuck you, peasant"
I'm not sure where you work. But in plenty of high-end places nowadays people use more informal language. Some still don't, but many do. It really depends on the culture of the particular organization.
Logan wouldn't have been in the position to need to call a state - I think Mattson only put ATN in the deal because Logan was gone.
Calling a state that early seems like bad television, wouldn't you want the drama to play out over multiple days? They were forced into a bad strategic decision. Thinking of the last election, I watched coverage for a few days as it played out.
Shiv sucks, no idea why she didn't at least call Nate? She is an idiot.
I thought Roman emerged as a potential force - he was decisive, although incredibly unethical.
I ultimately think it will backfire on Roman because it is TV, but I do agree that Roman was the first kid to emulate his father--he knew where he wanted it to end up, he shaped events to get his desired result, and he seized the opportunity when he needed to in terms of getting Kendall. And, yes it was unethical and immoral, but Logan was neither ethical nor moral. It was the first kid to step to the plate--the question though in the end will be the judgment of Roman in making those decision and that is where I think the showrunners are going to come down hard on him. In other words, he was as strong as Logan, as decisive as him, as manipulative as Logan, but did he have Logan's judgment. That is where I think Roman will get his comeuppings.
Essex, we see eye-to-eye on this. Roman made the play to get what he wanted, but did so from what seems to be a desperate position. Logan knew how to avoid being desperate. The gambit will probably blow up in his face. But maybe they just blame Tom and get away with it.
The kids are terrible strategic thinkers. They repeatedly underestimate everyone else at the table.
is a Scottish immigrant. Close enough to Irish (ducks for cover)!
The rest are playing USAmericans.
With the overall language of the show, I'm guessing the idiosyncrasies are from the writers, thus intentional, not actors ad libbing. Either that or the director(s) really lost control of the set.
Same here. It was so fun to watch Shiv just get outplayed at every turn. Now, I doubt this is going to work out well for Roman in the end, but it was pretty fun to watch it go down. I also thought that Rogan definitely showed some Logan in him as Logan would not have waited a second before calling it for Mencken if the thought it would help him in the end.
I thought it was a meh episode.
I thought they said that Mencken assured them they would block the GOJO deal.
Obviously, Jiminez is going to win the election and this is going to backfire enormously, but just seeing Shiv and Nate (the one she cheated on him with) get outplayed was just glorious.
I can see scenarios where Jimenez actually wins or one where Mencken actually does but Mattson already got to him.
Mattson/Mencken seem like they could be allies to me and Roman getting played seems like a realistic plot.
I can see scenarios where Jimenez actually wins or one where Mencken actually does but Mattson already got to him.
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I think it could be either, but I think Roman is going to kill the brand and that would be a lot worse for the siblings than getting a shit ton of money. But, yeah, a Mattson/Mencken deal would work pretty well in screwing Kendall and Roman as well. This is definitely a pyrrhic victory of some sort, but as I said it was definitely fun to watch.
agreed!
The kids just aren’t capable of running this big of a company and Logan knew it.
seriously? lol, how naive are you?
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal.
The Hill - ( New Window )
I thought it was a meh episode.
i think the speech pattern thing is something logan used to do. all the kids seem to be mirroring some of his old mannerisms more or maybe it's just more noticeable now with his presence gone.
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal. The Hill - ( New Window )
it will be hung up for years in litigation even if they're not successful, like you said who cares the parties can give up rather than fight because it will cost millions just to fight it and as mentioned can take years if it's challenged.
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Under what power?
seriously? lol, how naive are you?
As President? For a private transactional deal? Under what grounds? And where's the precedent?
Elections are huge for the M&A environment. The DOJ sues to block deals and the case gets litigated. So it's not a sure thing the government wins, but sometimes the acquirer will just give up on the deal. The Hill - ( New Window )
Thanks, Brettski!
The kids just aren’t capable of running this big of a company and Logan knew it.
And Logan proves that he was right...again, only from the grave this time. Disappointing, but makes sense to me.
Obviously it isn’t official, but having a major news outlet declare you the winner is HUGE. This is what makes this show so good, how the writers tie in real life storylines to plot of the show. (Election night 2020)
But, I bet the writers would just have the Roys dealing with younger chiefs of staff or something.
I know it was done for dramatic purposes, etc., but there seemed to be a lack of ability to find any nuance in the tension of their challenge. News changes so quickly in the world, this would not seem to be a situation that would make or break their news organization. It all seemed very overblown, which wasn't necessary considering their different strategies with trying to balance the reporting of the election vs. the deal they are trying to make with Mencken, and the deal with GOJO, in general.
But Tom and Greg in that episode were really awesome.
I know it was done for dramatic purposes, etc., but there seemed to be a lack of ability to find any nuance in the tension of their challenge. News changes so quickly in the world, this would not seem to be a situation that would make or break their news organization. It all seemed very overblown, which wasn't necessary considering their different strategies with trying to balance the reporting of the election vs. the deal they are trying to make with Mencken, and the deal with GOJO, in general.
But Tom and Greg in that episode were really awesome.
You brought me bodega sushi Greg!
Under what power?
seriously? lol, how naive are you?
I thought it was a meh episode.
My wife and I have been talking about this for weeks. It’s not just Shiv, Tom and Ken do it too.
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if before, maybe it was always this way, but Shiv's speech pattern of saying "yeah" after every sentence is massively annoying. She sounds almost like a Canadian hockey player.
I thought it was a meh episode.
My wife and I have been talking about this for weeks. It’s not just Shiv, Tom and Ken do it too.
FWIW, it's definitely on purpose. Plenty of people have verbal ticks.
Jeremy Strong, the actor who plays Kendall isn't or Kieren Calkin. The ones who are, are Shiv, Tom and Logan.
As for the episode, meh. Definitely not the best of the season because I didn’t buy the argument about declaring Wisconsin. Felt like something with a very simple solution that they purposely made into a pissing match to increase the drama. I did like the scene with Ken calling Nate right after being told he’s an ok father, lol.
The constant use of Dude. Barroom language/imagery in professional settings.
Last night there was the phone call (Ken and Jiminez, I think) where, man, they must of called each other man, like a dozen times, man.
Shiv picked a hell of a time to derail Tom. Could be a good intentional ploy, but more likely, just another clueless, incompetent offspring moment.
This is the final season, and only 2 episodes left, so things are going to come crashing down pretty fast. I still predict it'll all end like Connor's concession speech, with each of them saying, "yeah, I lost, but I'm still a billionaire, so fuck you, peasant"
It was great watching Connor think he had a chance.
Calling a state that early seems like bad television, wouldn't you want the drama to play out over multiple days? They were forced into a bad strategic decision. Thinking of the last election, I watched coverage for a few days as it played out.
Shiv sucks, no idea why she didn't at least call Nate? She is an idiot.
I thought Roman emerged as a potential force - he was decisive, although incredibly unethical.
The constant use of Dude. Barroom language/imagery in professional settings.
Last night there was the phone call (Ken and Jiminez, I think) where, man, they must of called each other man, like a dozen times, man.
Shiv picked a hell of a time to derail Tom. Could be a good intentional ploy, but more likely, just another clueless, incompetent offspring moment.
This is the final season, and only 2 episodes left, so things are going to come crashing down pretty fast. I still predict it'll all end like Connor's concession speech, with each of them saying, "yeah, I lost, but I'm still a billionaire, so fuck you, peasant"
I'm not sure where you work. But in plenty of high-end places nowadays people use more informal language. Some still don't, but many do. It really depends on the culture of the particular organization.
Calling a state that early seems like bad television, wouldn't you want the drama to play out over multiple days? They were forced into a bad strategic decision. Thinking of the last election, I watched coverage for a few days as it played out.
Shiv sucks, no idea why she didn't at least call Nate? She is an idiot.
I thought Roman emerged as a potential force - he was decisive, although incredibly unethical.
I ultimately think it will backfire on Roman because it is TV, but I do agree that Roman was the first kid to emulate his father--he knew where he wanted it to end up, he shaped events to get his desired result, and he seized the opportunity when he needed to in terms of getting Kendall. And, yes it was unethical and immoral, but Logan was neither ethical nor moral. It was the first kid to step to the plate--the question though in the end will be the judgment of Roman in making those decision and that is where I think the showrunners are going to come down hard on him. In other words, he was as strong as Logan, as decisive as him, as manipulative as Logan, but did he have Logan's judgment. That is where I think Roman will get his comeuppings.
The kids are terrible strategic thinkers. They repeatedly underestimate everyone else at the table.
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Three actors are from Britain. Maybe trying to speak in character they do it?
Jeremy Strong, the actor who plays Kendall isn't or Kieren Calkin. The ones who are, are Shiv, Tom and Logan.
My bad. Kendall, Tom and Shiv.
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Three actors are from Britain. Maybe trying to speak in character they do it?
Jeremy Strong, the actor who plays Kendall isn't or Kieren Calkin. The ones who are, are Shiv, Tom and Logan.
My bad. Kendall, Tom and Shiv.
Just Tom and Shiv
True, I was just saying they aren't American.
The rest are playing USAmericans.
With the overall language of the show, I'm guessing the idiosyncrasies are from the writers, thus intentional, not actors ad libbing. Either that or the director(s) really lost control of the set.