2016 11-5 McAdoo - lots of optimism around the season
2017 3-13 McAdoo - fired
2018 5-11 Shurmur - not a lot of optimism
2019 4-12 Shurmur - fired
2020 6-10 Judge - lot of optimism around this season
2021 4-13 Judge - fired
2022 9-7 Daboll - one playoff win - Daboll coach of the year
Our previous 3 coaches have been fired after or during the second season.
Daboll has had the best first season of any of these coaches any chance he collapses in the second season?
You guys feel we are in a much better place now because Schoen?
John Mara's quote about going from Bono to Bozo is probably one of the best sports quotes of all time--because it is so true.
For the record, McAdoo had a better first season record than Daboll, but McAdoo lost the team in his second year. That won’t happen to Daboll.
Judge portrayed one big unified family which wasn't true. The video of everyone having fun in the mud, gave everyone the wrong impression.
Daboll approach seems balance....both sides of the ball are improving. The staff and personnel depth are in lock step....not just for the cameras.
Now, even if that is all true...
Last year's success weiged heavily on a very easy schedule.....which is not the case this year....so even if everything is improving.....it might not show in record....
How they handle adversity will determine their fate....
Let’s start looking forward and leave the past where it belongs.
Phily x 2
Boys x 2
SF
Seahawks
Miami
Bills
Jets
Record may be worse than last year
but JS and Daboll are in this together
They will prepare for24 together
I see what you did there
Optimism for Judge shows you just how bad it's been. That was not a good season, but we were all excited none the less :)
Optimism for Judge shows you just how bad it's been. That was not a good season, but we were all excited none the less :)
If you came on this site between Year 1 and 2 of Joe Judge and said a bad word about him you would be destroyed. The funny thing about Judge was that yeah he had a bad roster, but his whole claim to fame was playing a bit more competitive games during the season and even that kind of went away toward the end of year one as we got blown out by Arizona and Baltimore and barely beat a historically bad Cincy team down the stretch. Joe Judge stunk in both years to be frank. 6-10 and played some close games before he didn't in the worst division in football history was a bad season.
I keep going back to how we steal yards and make it look relatively easy. That's what gives me hope for 23 and beyond.
Last years team was DECIMATED with injuries. If they can get just a little lucky on that front........
Because he was hired so late, Shurmur got stuck with a bad coaching staff, but the team was also decimated by too many bad free agency and salary cap-driven moves by DG, who also was a problem for a new coach. With a new offense, new defense, and some good draft picks, the first season was okay but Shurmur’s lack of leadership and no help coming from DG, the second season was not good.
Judge’s failure was completely different. He was a con man. He tried to hire teachers as coaches but many came from his college connections and weren’t qualified to coach professionals. He was still stuck with DG but he managed to bluff his way through the first season. The con was exposed in the second season and Judge didn’t lose the team. He just lost his mind.
Daboll is different. He loves football and the challenges of coaching. He loves his players and can lead them as it becomes his team. He also has Schoen who wants to build a consistent winner through the draft and strategic moves in free agency. Neither has an ego or legacy they need to protect yet.
Been a fan long enough that getting to the playoffs and not advancing enough can turn things negatively relatively quickly.
If Daboll goes the way of McAdoo or Judge, we probably won't hear about problems that are here now until well after the fact. But he does currently seem to have installed a good culture.
The 2022 Giants did go through a number of good situations to help build a culture: early success to get players on board with Daboll, some mid-season adversity, a strong push for the playoffs, and then a postseason win. McAdoo's first year never really saw much in the way of adversity, and Judge went something like 1-7 to start with, so he never proved to players that his demanding system could produce wins.
When the beard got clipped down to a goatee last year, it seemed like it might happen.
If the offense line looks better, especially Neal, then consider the 2ns season curse broken.
I think it's possible, but unless major players like Jones, Lawrence, Jackson, etc. get injured I think they can exceed last year's win total which, two years ago, would have been laughable.
My personal belief is that this team will go as far as the OL will take us this year. If we have a similar performance on the OL this year as we did last year we wont make the playoffs. I think teams will be attacking Neal early and often and if he struggles that will be hard to overcome. On paper this is a much better team with very few players lost and better quality brought in. The OL is where this team will define its fate imo.
After McAdoo, Shurmur, & Judge...I sense Dabs will get a long leash. And why shouldn't he? He's proven to be a damn good coach.
After McAdoo, Shurmur, & Judge...I sense Dabs will get a long leash. And why shouldn't he? He's proven to be a damn good coach.
I believed Mara when he said he hates all the changes he has had to make. He has talked about patience before though.
Giants get off to a really poor start you will see some pointing fingers at him on BBI. It's just how it is with this franchise.
Look @ Beane-McDermott in Buffalo. The Bills stunned the NFL world making the postseason their first season there. 2nd season? A step back & missed the postseason. But since then, Buffalo has won 10 plus games for 4 straight seasons. If given that option with Joe & Dabs, sign me up right now. Just throw in a Lombardi too, something Buffalo hasn't yet won with the Beane-McDermott tandem.
My expectation is the same as it was last year: be competitive in most games so they are enjoyable to watch. Of course they exceeded expectations in 2022.
I'd really like to see them improve their division record.
He still had some fans whom wanted to say he was awesome. Really helpe Carolina. Talk about the Mara's fucking meddling. They forced him into the OC spot then over promoted him. Oh if they had let him go to Philly we wouldn't get the daily Howie Roseman is the best GM ever daily posts. That season was one of the biggest mirages in history.
I think they'll be a better team this year with a stronger roster, but that they won't win as many games in 2023 as they did in 2022.
The strength of the schedule looks tough, but that usually changes after the first few weeks of the season.
Did "Major" Tom start on a high note? No! Some players outright hated him, the rest merely mistrusted him. People forget about this because Coughlin was around for so long.
Coughlin was a man of character, not a phoney. He made it plain to the players what he wanted them to do and what he expected from them. He was strict: fining players who showed up less than five minutes EARLY for meetings, etc. And he did things his way, "green zone" instead of "red zone" and "Will" LBs became "Sam" LBs.
But, hidden beneath this seeming tyrant, was a man who cared about the players and treated them like real people. Perhaps most importantly he adapted to their needs. He set up committees so the players could more easily voice their complaints and suggestions to him. Eventually, he gained their trust and then they began to understand why he was so strict.
IMO, if Daboll is to succeed, he needs to be more like Tom Coughlin than the other head coaches were. I think Daboll is making a good start at it.
Now, even if that is all true...
Last year's success weiged heavily on a very easy schedule.....which is not the case this year....so even if everything is improving.....it might not show in record....
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Why do people think we had an easy schedule? It’s not true.
We had three relatively easy games. But we had five against teams with 12 or more wins. The remainder were teams that ended up between 7-10 and 10-7.
Nine games against winning teams, six against losing teams, two vs .500 Washington.
Opponents SOS .526.
I do think the schedule will be tougher, but can we please get past the myth that last season was easy?
Giants were a little lucky in regular season. They never really dominated in regular season against any opponent. That usually suggests a fall back to reality.
But the playoff victory was significant.