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Big Blue ranked No. 1 interior D-Line unit

ZogZerg : 5/16/2023 7:13 am
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ESPN's Mike Clay recently ranked all 32 teams' interior defensive linemen, and coming in at the very top of the list was the New York Giants, led by Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams.
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The group of Lawrence, Williams, Robinson, Nunez-Roches and Ryder Anderson ranked No. 1 on Clay's list.


Surprisingly, he has Philly ranked at #18.


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Philly 18?  
Reale01 : 5/16/2023 7:19 am : link
Makes me discount the value of the evaluation.
Rookies on the OL and DL usually do not make a hugh impact  
George from PA : 5/16/2023 7:27 am : link
These positions are manned by men....not boys. Why I like the center being 24 years old.

Fletcher Cox is the only one that concerns me on the Eagles until proven otherwise.

The potential of Jordon Davis and Jalen Carter is concerning....but they must make the same jump....that A.Thomas, D.Lawrence did and hopefully E.Neal will...

This jump is not easy. College studs means little in the pros. The Eagles have been hoping to replace Cox for years....

Interesting  
David B. : 5/16/2023 7:44 am : link
for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.
RE: Interesting  
Wildcardgiants : 5/16/2023 8:10 am : link
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.


There was no interior depth last year. That's been fixed... no?
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Mattman : 5/16/2023 8:12 am : link
In comment 16117491 Wildcardgiants said:
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In comment 16117482 David B. said:


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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.



There was no interior depth last year. That's been fixed... no?


And MLB being weak. Dex was being doubled and the RB was beating the LB 1 on 1 again and again. When Dex was out his backups were put on roller skates. There was a reason that MLB was the big target in FA and they added the depth they did on the DL.
1st ranking are ridiculous.....  
George from PA : 5/16/2023 8:15 am : link
The Giants had 2 DLmen they could trust last year. Those 2 are elite DTs when healthy....

They are getting back some injured players and brought in re-enforcements.

Top 10, top 5 is doable.
RE: Interesting  
GeofromNJ : 5/16/2023 8:45 am : link
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.

My reaction as well.
They did have some depth,  
RollBlue : 5/16/2023 9:33 am : link
they both torn their ACLs early in the season. Most teams loosing 2 DL by week 5 are going to have depth issues.
RE: Interesting  
PatersonPlank : 5/16/2023 9:45 am : link
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.


Can't stop the run if you don't have Linebackers. Double Williams and Dex, squeeze through the hole, and no one is there because the RB blocked our crappy ILB
Don't forget Williams playing with a neck injury a good portion of the  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2023 9:46 am : link
year. Dex was our guy at DT last year.
this is why Wink dropped Collins into the box  
PatersonPlank : 5/16/2023 9:46 am : link
and also why he signed some big thumpers who were over the hill towards the end of the season. He was trying a lot of things
Should be  
HomerJones45 : 5/16/2023 9:50 am : link
we have enough money tied up there in two former #1 draft picks.
They have just 2 of them.... no depth or quality  
Rafflee : 5/16/2023 10:06 am : link
They have a Talented 2 man team...they need 2 or 3 more who can actually play. Too many snaps for the top two....the non Dex/Leo snaps were abysmal... Sub-JV!
RE: Interesting  
KDavies : 5/16/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.


They added Nunez-Roches and Robinson, two players who excel in that role and can spell the starting DTs. The ability to stop the run was also largely on the weak middle LB unit last year as well. Okereke will be huge in that department
Dex is obviously becoming one of the NFL elite.  
ThomasG : 5/16/2023 10:21 am : link
Williams needs to be on watch this year as his play fell off a good bit and need to see if it was mostly the injuries. The depth and rotation should be better.

The linebacking play and edge setters were not good in run support, but ranking this interior DL overall #1 is lofty. Epecially seeing them get their butts pushed around in that Philly playoff game.
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David B. : 5/16/2023 10:42 am : link
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RE: Interesting
Wildcardgiants : 8:10 am : link : reply
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.

There was no interior depth last year. That's been fixed... no?


Has it? On paper, it should be better. Kenny Golladay was supposed to fix the WR problem. I don't believe anything is better until I see it being better.


RE: RE: RE: Interesting  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/16/2023 10:47 am : link
In comment 16117493 Mattman said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.



There was no interior depth last year. That's been fixed... no?



And MLB being weak. Dex was being doubled and the RB was beating the LB 1 on 1 again and again. When Dex was out his backups were put on roller skates. There was a reason that MLB was the big target in FA and they added the depth they did on the DL.


Our backups on rollerskates would have been an improvement on our backups being one armed pancake blocked by Kelce.
Seems a bit optimistic  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/16/2023 10:49 am : link
but I feel the D overall can be outstanding this year with good health.

Eagles are probably better than 18th but they did get run over the second half of the SB and they were not a upper tier unit last season. I think getting out to big leads earlier in games did mask some of the issues.

Williams playing with the neck issue had to be very problematic. Imagine playing that position with that issue.
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Toth029 : 5/16/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 16117572 David B. said:
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RE: Interesting
Wildcardgiants : 8:10 am : link : reply
In comment 16117482 David B. said:
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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.

There was no interior depth last year. That's been fixed... no?



Has it? On paper, it should be better. Kenny Golladay was supposed to fix the WR problem. I don't believe anything is better until I see it being better.



It's projections. Should the Eagles be top with just Fletcher Cox and Milton Williams? Because neither Davis or Carter have proven anything.
RE: RE: Interesting  
RCPhoenix : 5/16/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16117548 KDavies said:
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In comment 16117482 David B. said:


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for a team that couldn't stop the run last year.



They added Nunez-Roches and Robinson, two players who excel in that role and can spell the starting DTs. The ability to stop the run was also largely on the weak middle LB unit last year as well. Okereke will be huge in that department



100%. It's hard to overstate how poor the ILBs were last year. With any luck Beavers pans out too.
They can generate interior pressure on the passer  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2023 6:02 pm : link
That's why they are number one

Interior pressure is the most effective defensive weapon and the most difficult to do consistently.

Stopping the run is of course important but it is secondary these days because nobody wins just by running the football. Plus if you blitz a lot you are going to get some big runs against you.

RE: They can generate interior pressure on the passer  
RCPhoenix : 5/16/2023 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16117893 Vanzetti said:
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That's why they are number one

Interior pressure is the most effective defensive weapon and the most difficult to do consistently.

Stopping the run is of course important but it is secondary these days because nobody wins just by running the football. Plus if you blitz a lot you are going to get some big runs against you.


This is not true. Did you not watch the Eagles run all over the Giants in the playoffs? If the offense gets 5+ yards running on first down it makes a huge difference in terms of how effective they are.
Put another way  
RCPhoenix : 5/16/2023 6:08 pm : link
A strong running game sets up the passing game for success.
RE: They can generate interior pressure on the passer  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/17/2023 6:47 am : link
In comment 16117893 Vanzetti said:
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That's why they are number one

Interior pressure is the most effective defensive weapon and the most difficult to do consistently.

Stopping the run is of course important but it is secondary these days because nobody wins just by running the football. Plus if you blitz a lot you are going to get some big runs against you.


Yes running alone is not going to chalk up a lot of W's. There was a big uptick in rushing yards last year and also pts. scored dropped a bit. These two things are connected.

Stopping the run gives you more opportunities to get after the passer in bad down/distance which leads to good things.

RE: They can generate interior pressure on the passer  
NINEster : 5/17/2023 1:36 pm : link
In comment 16117893 Vanzetti said:
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That's why they are number one

Interior pressure is the most effective defensive weapon and the most difficult to do consistently.

Stopping the run is of course important but it is secondary these days because nobody wins just by running the football. Plus if you blitz a lot you are going to get some big runs against you.


Stopping the run is always important, it's just that being elite at that without a pass rush won't win you big games. Without a certain level pass rush, you cannot win against good teams in this league.

But say being #1 against the run with a #5 pass rush, likely better than being #1 in pass rush and #15 run defense, even in modern game.
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