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| 00:00 Intro 3:45 Welcome LPG 5:50 Schedule Talk 9:00 Giants Draft Experience 20:50 Breakup w/ Nick Gates 23:25 John Michael Schmitz Dead Snap debate 24:30 Giants relationship with Patriots is strained 26:10 Fan Fest 30:50 Saquon Barkley Contract Status 37:00 Does Saquon Barkley sign an extension? 41:30 Other players extended 44:50 Expectations for 2023 48:30 Cool stuff |
Really does sound like Barkley and advisors effed up.
So off the top of his head he said $26 vs $22...
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when he botched the 2x tag amount.
So off the top of his head he said $26 vs $22...
For a super fan to go on a podcast, I’d expect him to know something that simple. And it’s a big different because I suspect what we offered in guarantees is at or less than 2 tag years.
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In comment 16117497 UConn4523 said:
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when he botched the 2x tag amount.
So off the top of his head he said $26 vs $22...
For a super fan to go on a podcast, I’d expect him to know something that simple. And it’s a big different because I suspect what we offered in guarantees is at or less than 2 tag years.
The difference is a "long term" contract gets you guarantees beyond this year's tag. Sign a tag, get $10.1 mill, then get injured and nada after this year. He is not guaranteed a 2nd tag.
So say $16 mill guaranteed, now, is better than $10.1 mill. The whole a new contract has to be more than the two tags argument doesn't make sense when that 2nd tag is not guaranteed.
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when he botched the 2x tag amount.
So off the top of his head he said $26 vs $22...
I just figured he was including incentives in his total to get to the higher amount. Not sure but I guess he could have just misspoke.
Interesting about Saquon not leaking the guaranteed amount though.
And if Barkley gets injured he doesn’t just get nothing. He’s in the same boat as Jacobs - a huge injury will likely destroy his stock but i minor one won’t, taking the all or nothing approach isn’t being honest.
And if Barkley gets injured he doesn’t just get nothing. He’s in the same boat as Jacobs - a huge injury will likely destroy his stock but i minor one won’t, taking the all or nothing approach isn’t being honest.
We have no ideas what the guarantees were - neither of us - but by the same token you are dismissing that the guarantees were inline with the RB contracts already in existence. The rumor is that Barkley wanted 4 years and the Giants offered 3. I believe that the 3/$37-39 was the offer - LPG said it was actually higher. Standard guarantees are about 60%, which would have been two years of tags.
But my actual point was I was surprised that you dismissed the interview over a minor error. It was a pretty decent interview, and while I heard the "error" too, it certainly didn't deter me from seeing if there were any more tidbits.
But everyone sees things differently.
I’m indifferent, I think his info is interesting if for nothing else, to see the BBI reaction to them. But misquoting the 2x tag amount was strange. That said I did listen to the rest of the Barkley segment and they finished up with exactly what I’ve been saying - we don’t know the guarantees and fans quoting the AAV isn’t wise.
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He does get information and he isn't one to just be spewing out info all the time.
I’m indifferent, I think his info is interesting if for nothing else, to see the BBI reaction to them. But misquoting the 2x tag amount was strange. That said I did listen to the rest of the Barkley segment and they finished up with exactly what I’ve been saying - we don’t know the guarantees and fans quoting the AAV isn’t wise.
All I am saying is that he may not be the most knowledgeable guy on specific subjects but he gets nuggets of information here and there. That is all.
I was certain Lamar Jackson and Baltimore would never get a deal done.....they did.
I am neutral on Saquon,and he will need to eat crow,in order to get said deal done,but I think most of us do not want Schoen to cave here.......
I'm thinking those full stadiums late in the season give the GM and head coach a lot of credibility if they choose to oppose the rescue.
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Scoring the deal he's looking for will require NYG to make an emotional decision in his favor, especially with the tag at $10M and the actual even lower. His camp is betting on a Mara/Tisch rescue.
I'm thinking those full stadiums late in the season give the GM and head coach a lot of credibility if they choose to oppose the rescue.
Sure, but I think the player ask will still have to come down significantly. $13 AAV splits the difference, let's see if talks restart and get there.
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In comment 16117497 UConn4523 said:
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when he botched the 2x tag amount.
So off the top of his head he said $26 vs $22...
I just figured he was including incentives in his total to get to the higher amount. Not sure but I guess he could have just misspoke.
Interesting about Saquon not leaking the guaranteed amount though.
That bit about Saquon's side not leaking the guaranteed amount was interesting indeed.
+1
His side did do the NYG a favor by turning down the deal at that time.
Long term deals are a kiss of death for 26 yr old RBs with multiple lower body injuries.
I agree. But the caveats are that he turned down that deal hoping and potentially expecting not to get tagged (used instead for Jones). If true it’s a gamble he took knowing he’d then get tagged and can either sign that and workout the same or a bit less of the deal with NYG, or try again for a UFA deal in 2024.
I don’t think this is on the agent. Barkley is a big boy who can read contract historicals just like we can and he knew he’d get a better offer in free agency if he made it there. He didn’t and here we are. It’s now about how much risk Barkley wants to take on and I don’t expect anything to change until July.
100%. Why he hasn't fired his agent yet is beyond me. Being loyal to someone who so badly misjudged the market doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.
The players know it is a business, but player blow back on losing Barkley should not be underestimated more than fan blow back...After Jones, Barkley is the most important captain just ahead of Dex(IMV).
I dont hate the guy but I also dont think he is worth nearly what McCaffrey got. 1 great season (Rookie), 1 very good season(last season) and 1 good season in 5 years. Yes the injuries hurt him but I dont think he'll ever be the player he was as a rookie. A long term deal is a bad bet imo. I think we play out the season, see what we have in the rookie and move on from Barkley next season for cheaper options unless he has a monster season.
But hiring a new agent is not going to get him a better deal. Schoen doesn't need to re-negotiate from the FT. Getting a team-friendlier contract with Saquon is a luxury, not a necessity. He seemed perfectly willing to let Barkley play out the year on the FT, and make other more priority moves to free up cap space.
How do you know that Gray and/or draft pick won't get injured?
same here
again, same here. Every time I friend texts me this nonsense about what BArkley turned down I keep saying save me the BS, this is all noise.
"BUT HE TURNED DOWN 14 per!!!"
It's all about the guaranteed money and more often than not NO ONE, NOT Joe Blow, not LPG, not you, not me, NO ONE knows WTF the Giants or anyone offers a FA as far as guaranteed money!!!
So many do not learn anything from any of these negotiations. You'd think the Jones thing would help people.
Joe makes a fair offer, but is not going to allow you to shop that offer. If you choose to try to shop it he is going to move on, at which time he isn’t interested anymore or the offer will be reduced. Also, with Slayton he is making a statement that if you do things the right way, don’t complain about it and go out and prove it on the field he will reward you. Don’t forget Slayton took a pay cut at the start of the season and then they signed him to a big contract.
I do believe they can come to agreement with Barkley but it will be on Joe terms and the previous offer is gone. I do believe he will be fair, but the RB market changed even more this offseason, not in Barkleys favor.
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go look at every Barkley thread, I explicitly say we don’t know the guarantees and that it’s the single most important factor, yet everyone just quotes the AAV like it matters.
again, same here. Every time I friend texts me this nonsense about what BArkley turned down I keep saying save me the BS, this is all noise.
"BUT HE TURNED DOWN 14 per!!!"
It's all about the guaranteed money and more often than not NO ONE, NOT Joe Blow, not LPG, not you, not me, NO ONE knows WTF the Giants or anyone offers a FA as far as guaranteed money!!!
So many do not learn anything from any of these negotiations. You'd think the Jones thing would help people.
That's interesting. Is it even possible to see the terms of the contract somewhere? Or is this insider information and not intended for the general public?
But that's probably not very valuable to Schoen. He knows the data doesn't support the odds of Barkley being valuable in 3, 4, 5 years from now.
When Schoen says to Team Barkley I'm comfortable paying 10M this year and seeing how that goes, what's the compelling counter?
But that's probably not very valuable to Schoen. He knows the data doesn't support the odds of Barkley being valuable in 3, 4, 5 years from now.
When Schoen says to Team Barkley I'm comfortable paying 10M this year and seeing how that goes, what's the compelling counter?
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Barkley is in a tough spot. In a normal big time deal, the currency a player can trade for premium guarantees is more years (and all the benefits to the team: control, cap inflation, runway).
But that's probably not very valuable to Schoen. He knows the data doesn't support the odds of Barkley being valuable in 3, 4, 5 years from now.
When Schoen says to Team Barkley I'm comfortable paying 10M this year and seeing how that goes, what's the compelling counter?
He could hold out and watch a rookie do well in his spot.
That only strengthen's Schoen's position even further. I think Christian is asking what Barkley can do to entice the Giants to put a multiyear offer back on the table.
I think SB was really counting on DJ getting tagged - that would at least have forced a negotiation of some sort to remain ongoing. Once DJ signed, I don't think SB had any move left to make here besides hope. And hope is not a viable strategy.
You think his strategy was get tagged, and risk playing with no future guaranteed money?
My point above was there’s nothing more that can be done to change anything. The chips have already fallen and he’s got some time to think about how he wants to move forward. It’s pretty straight forward right now.
I'm not sure his strategy was UFA. I bet it was hope things fall apart with Jones, and corner the Giants into a favorable deal, because they needed the tag for Jones.