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ESPN suggests Giants sign Guard Dalton Risner

Lowell : 5/16/2023 11:46 am
Although the New York Giants don't have a ton of cap space after re-signing Daniel Jones, extending Dexter Lawrence and franchising Saquon Barkley, they should have enough room to get creative with voidable years if they want to sign a player to a one-year deal. And Risner should be that player. The Giants rotated Nick Gates and Ben Bredeson at left guard last year, but Gates left for the Commanders in free agency. Joshua Ezeudu -- a 2022 third-rounder -- suffered a neck injury last November, leaving the Giants in a vulnerable position at left guard in 2023.

Risner started 62 games over four seasons with the Broncos, and although the 2019 second-round pick wasn't a superstar, he was expected to land a multiyear deal for starter money somewhere in free agency. Instead, the Broncos signed Ben Powers to replace Risner, who hasn't found a market. Risner missed the season finale against the Chiefs with a strained UCL in his elbow, but that injury wouldn't have prevented the 27-year-old from finding a new team.

Instead, he appears to be looking at a limited market of teams who need meaningful help at guard. A one-year deal with the Giants in the $5 million range would make sense for both parties; Brian Daboll's team would get a veteran protecting Jones and security if Ezeudu struggles to return, while Risner would play in a well-regarded offense and earn a shot at a long-term deal after 2023, either with the Giants or elsewhere.
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Interesting…  
Finch : 5/16/2023 11:52 am : link
I was listening to the LPG interview with Talkin’ Giants and he said he feels (just a hunch) the Giants starting guard is not on the roster. Risner for a year would be a nice stopgap
Joe Schoen doesn't need  
WillieYoung : 5/16/2023 11:54 am : link
ESPN's help fashioning his roster
RE: Interesting…  
Optimus-NY : 5/16/2023 11:55 am : link
In comment 16117633 Finch said:
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I was listening to the LPG interview with Talkin’ Giants and he said he feels (just a hunch) the Giants starting guard is not on the roster. Risner for a year would be a nice stopgap


Yup. I do recall that as well. This would make sense.
Nice find Lowell  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/16/2023 11:55 am : link
I don't know this player but it makes sense to have a quality starter to add to the competition and have as a fall back if necessary.

Schoen and Daboll's philosophy  
Dave on the UWS : 5/16/2023 11:58 am : link
(which they've said many times), is you invest via the draft at positions, especially the OL, and at some point they have to play and develop.
If you keep going for the quick fix of mediocrity, then all you'll ever have is a barely functioning line. They are aiming higher than that.
He was a high second round draft choice  
Lowell : 5/16/2023 12:00 pm : link
high character guy... was nominated for Walter Payton man of the-year.
RE: Schoen and Daboll's philosophy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/16/2023 12:01 pm : link
In comment 16117639 Dave on the UWS said:
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(which they've said many times), is you invest via the draft at positions, especially the OL, and at some point they have to play and develop.
If you keep going for the quick fix of mediocrity, then all you'll ever have is a barely functioning line. They are aiming higher than that.


In theory I agree. If you are not getting the results it leads to a potential disaster. I agree with most of your thoughts but this OL has been a issue for so long.....
Grass is greener? Why did Denver go in another direction?  
MOOPS : 5/16/2023 12:03 pm : link
Sounds like Will Hernandez.

"He constantly got beat in pass protection and never seemed to be able to pick up a defensive stunt."
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RE: Grass is greener? Why did Denver go in another direction?  
Blueworm : 5/16/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16117648 MOOPS said:
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Sounds like Will Hernandez.

"He constantly got beat in pass protection and never seemed to be able to pick up a defensive stunt." Link - ( New Window )


Two or three clean Twists a game can be disastrous.
In a league that’s relatively weak from an offensive  
eric2425ny : 5/16/2023 12:22 pm : link
line standpoint it’s telling that Risner remains unsigned. Not saying he can’t make an impact somewhere, but if he was viewed highly he’d be on a roster by now.
He’ll be 28  
Joe Beckwith : 5/16/2023 12:23 pm : link
at the start of camp, and has to realize about the knock on his passpro.
But if he can also play RT he’d might be worth a contract as I’m unsure about Glowinski and McKethan is an unknown.
As was mentioned he is a high character guy so that is a nice plus.
Josh Ezeudu was the 67th pick  
AcesUp : 5/16/2023 12:30 pm : link
That's a premium pick. JMS who we are penciling in to start as a rookie was the 59th pick. We also have Ben Bredeson, a guy that you probably don't want starting without competition but one that sets a reasonable floor, potentially as high as what Risner gives you. He's solid competition and a strong first IOL reserve. Don't think the Giants need to be handing out 1yr 5m at this point. Maybe if they whiffed on interior line help in the draft and maybe down the road if there's an injury.
Voidable years is not getting creative.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2023 12:38 pm : link
It hurts your future.
Nothing against Risner but the Giants do not need another  
nygiantfan : 5/16/2023 12:39 pm : link
mediocre (at best) veteran Interior Lineman on the roster. We already have several plus a few young guys that need to get their chance in the sun as well.

RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16117676 robbieballs2003 said:
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It hurts your future.


Just so people understand ...

Right now we have voidable years on:
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
Graham Gano
Ashawn Robinson

That total comes out to $11,925,002.

Think about this ... we are using almost $12 mil of next year's cap for players that will not be on the team. On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula. This is not what you want to be doing. If you are the Eagles, fine. Increase your odds of getting a Super Bowl. It is understandable. This should not be our practice moving forward. The bulk of this is not under Schoen's watch. He made a comment last year, I believe, about not wanting to operate like this.
We have guys for that spot  
BillT : 5/16/2023 12:53 pm : link
A few of them actually. Want to see Ezudu. He has upside we have to trust they can develop. Churning stopgaps isn’t how you get ahead.
Ben Bredeson, Shane Lemiuex and Joshua Ezeudu at LG is not  
Four Aces : 5/16/2023 12:55 pm : link
enough competition and depth?
RE: Josh Ezeudu was the 67th pick  
Optimus-NY : 5/16/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16117672 AcesUp said:
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That's a premium pick. JMS who we are penciling in to start as a rookie was the 59th pick. We also have Ben Bredeson, a guy that you probably don't want starting without competition but one that sets a reasonable floor, potentially as high as what Risner gives you. He's solid competition and a strong first IOL reserve. Don't think the Giants need to be handing out 1yr 5m at this point. Maybe if they whiffed on interior line help in the draft and maybe down the road if there's an injury.


JMS was the 57th overall pick, not the 59th.
Didn't the Giants just have a mediocre interior lineman in Feliciano?  
RCPhoenix : 5/16/2023 1:08 pm : link
Why sign another one?

Listening to B.Johnson.  
George from PA : 5/16/2023 1:10 pm : link
He seems to want to establish consistency...not one year stop gap for OL
rather spend 5 mil  
Dankbeerman : 5/16/2023 1:32 pm : link
on a Pass Rusher.
If they sign another FA  
mavric : 5/16/2023 1:32 pm : link
I'd prefer they make a play for Leonard Floyd and put the final touch on the edge rushing group
Yeah, Ravens could have used a guard to replace the one they lost  
ZogZerg : 5/16/2023 1:32 pm : link
The NFL is starving for OL.
There is a reason he is unsigned.

Lets develop the guys we drafted.
RE: RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
Bruner4329 : 5/16/2023 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16117683 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16117676 robbieballs2003 said:


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It hurts your future.



Just so people understand ...

Right now we have voidable years on:
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
Graham Gano
Ashawn Robinson

That total comes out to $11,925,002.

Think about this ... we are using almost $12 mil of next year's cap for players that will not be on the team. On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula. This is not what you want to be doing. If you are the Eagles, fine. Increase your odds of getting a Super Bowl. It is understandable. This should not be our practice moving forward. The bulk of this is not under Schoen's watch. He made a comment last year, I believe, about not wanting to operate like this.


And you know this for a fact? I would bet today that Gano and at least one of Williams or Jackson are on the team next year. Do you really think they will let Gano walk? The guy is almost perfect and so reliable. Finding and having a reliable PK is so crucial in this game.
There was someone asking me  
allstarjim : 5/16/2023 2:31 pm : link
about what starting quality OL would still be available for relative inexpensive amounts (in response to my reticence with regard to NYG using premium picks on interior OL). Risner qualifies.
If you look at the Giants Top 30 Visits from the draft  
Rudy5757 : 5/16/2023 2:48 pm : link
the only OL position they were concerned with on the OL was C. We barely even touched the OL in UDFA either. Id say that the based on all the info we know the Giants are happy with what they have at G and T and just wanted to shore up the C position. We used a premium pick last year on a G and signed Glow. We have multiple players competing at the G spotin Ezeudo, Lemieux, Bredeson, McCethan & Glowinski.

I personally doubt we are interested in a FA G unless its at the Vet minimum.
This thread lacks….  
5BowlsSoon : 5/16/2023 3:49 pm : link
The info I need to make a smart decision on whether to try to sign him.

What is lacking?

There is nothing really said about his performance, his results, his grades….nothing.

Just because he started 4 years with Denver and was a 2nd round pick doesn’t tell me how well he has done in his 4-5 years in the NFL. Until I get that, I’m not interested.
RE: RE: RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2023 4:07 pm : link
In comment 16117736 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 16117683 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 16117676 robbieballs2003 said:


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It hurts your future.



Just so people understand ...

Right now we have voidable years on:
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
Graham Gano
Ashawn Robinson

That total comes out to $11,925,002.

Think about this ... we are using almost $12 mil of next year's cap for players that will not be on the team. On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula. This is not what you want to be doing. If you are the Eagles, fine. Increase your odds of getting a Super Bowl. It is understandable. This should not be our practice moving forward. The bulk of this is not under Schoen's watch. He made a comment last year, I believe, about not wanting to operate like this.



And you know this for a fact? I would bet today that Gano and at least one of Williams or Jackson are on the team next year. Do you really think they will let Gano walk? The guy is almost perfect and so reliable. Finding and having a reliable PK is so crucial in this game.


Haha. What are you talking about? Whether they are on the team or not we still have to pay for previous years. Lmfao. Why are you so mad? I'm pointing out facts based on voidable years.
They have to do it now  
Gman11 : 5/16/2023 4:52 pm : link
because ESPN said so!
RE: RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2023 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16117683 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16117676 robbieballs2003 said:


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It hurts your future.



Just so people understand ...

Right now we have voidable years on:
Leonard Williams
Adoree Jackson
Tyrod Taylor
Graham Gano
Ashawn Robinson

That total comes out to $11,925,002.

Think about this ... we are using almost $12 mil of next year's cap for players that will not be on the team. On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula. This is not what you want to be doing. If you are the Eagles, fine. Increase your odds of getting a Super Bowl. It is understandable. This should not be our practice moving forward. The bulk of this is not under Schoen's watch. He made a comment last year, I believe, about not wanting to operate like this.


Voidable years don't affect a player's comp status. In other words, if a player's contract is up except for the voidable years, he is considered a free agent not someone who was cut.

But your point still stands. Schoen is borrowing from future years' caps to sign guys this year.
RE: RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
Milton : 5/16/2023 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16117683 robbieballs2003 said:
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On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula.
I don't think that's true. I'm not 100% certain, but a contract being voided automatically is different from the player being released from an existing contract. The team has no control over the voiding of the contract. I think it still qualifies for the compensation formula.
If the Giants add  
ElitoCanton : 5/16/2023 8:58 pm : link
I'd bet it would be either at ILB or OLB/Edge. I think they are happy with what they have at this point on offense.
RE: RE: RE: Voidable years is not getting creative.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/16/2023 10:23 pm : link
In comment 16117970 Milton said:
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In comment 16117683 robbieballs2003 said:


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On top of that, and nobody ever talks about this, none of these players will count towards the comp pick formula.

I don't think that's true. I'm not 100% certain, but a contract being voided automatically is different from the player being released from an existing contract. The team has no control over the voiding of the contract. I think it still qualifies for the compensation formula.


I just looked it up. In 2020, they redid what qualifies and what doesn't. This is what I found ...

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No [Unrestricted Free Agent] shall qualify as a [Compensatory Free Agent] unless and until the maximum possible term of the player’s contract has expired, and all other requirements have been satisfied. The Maximum Possible Term of any Player Contract shall be determined as of the date of such contract’s execution and shall include all years of the contract (including, without limitation, option years and voidable years).


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a UFA shall qualify as a CFA if the Maximum Possible Term of the player’s contract failed to expire solely as the result of a provision stating that a specified contract year or years shall void automatically upon a specified day or date or upon the achievement of a roster condition with no additional contingencies (“Automatic Voidable Year”)


Now, the new wording was added in 2020. When were the contracts done for Williams and Jackson? Maybe to do count for the comp formula. I am curious about this now to see how their contracts were worded.
Robbie  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2023 11:09 pm : link
Interesting that they redid it. I did not know that. But it explains why voidable years are suddenly all the rage.
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