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NFT: Why Does the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame HATE Actual Rock?

Klaatu : 5/17/2023 11:36 am
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Okay, so this one’s an episode I’ve been needing to do for a long time. And I’ll be upfront with you. It’s a topic that really gets under my skin, so I’ll try to be positive. Today we’re counting down my all-time, Top 5 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame snubs… bands and artists who are well overdue for the so-called honor, but routinely get passed over year after year. There is a long list of rock hall snubs…From Iron Maiden to The Guess Who from Pixies to Motorhead from New York Dolls to the Smiths from Joy Division/New Order to Slayer from Styx to Foreigner to Jethro Tull and Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue, Toto the list goes on and on. We’re also going to try to figure out why the Rock Hall routinely refuses to induct actual rock artists into their ranks. They’re called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame but they seem to have a bias against rock and Roll? I’m not going to be pulling any punches here. I just want to give some love to some classic rock icons that I think we all admire and I want to hear yours too...


I wish McKee was still here so he could chime in on this.

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Because its a business  
give66 : 5/17/2023 11:48 am : link
and they want to diversify their customer base. Not so hard to understand.
And besides  
Semipro Lineman : 5/17/2023 11:51 am : link
all of those bands besides the New York Dolls weren't very good or important
Foreigner sucks...  
Chris in Philly : 5/17/2023 11:52 am : link
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I heard Sinatra isn't in it.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2023 11:56 am : link
With everyone from all genres being in it, I found that odd.
It seems the author doesn’t understand  
Mike from Ohio : 5/17/2023 11:59 am : link
The difference between important bands in the history of rock and roll, and bands he happens to like. Maybe someone helping him with that distinction would be helpful?
RE: And besides  
rnargi : 5/17/2023 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16118366 Semipro Lineman said:
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all of those bands besides the New York Dolls weren't very good or important


You're kidding, right? You need to read a little bit about The Replacements.
I have said for years  
redwhiteandbigblue : 5/17/2023 12:06 pm : link
that the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is a joke. If it is truly the R &R HOF, other genres should not get in, i.e. hip hop, soul, rap, etc.

It should either be renamed the Music Hall of Fame or there should be separate HOF's for other genres of music.

Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer. I like them all but they are not rock and roll. When is Beethoven getting in?
It's like every other Hall of Fame  
Maggot Brain : 5/17/2023 12:08 pm : link
Starts with the best of intentions, cream of the crop, and then the line starts to blur between a true Hall of Famer and the very good or very popular. Bill Mazeroski isn't Hank Aaron and Boston is not Led Zeppelin. As far as actual rock in the Hall, I agree to a certain extent. If a band has not influenced nor been influenced by rock in some way, they should not be considered. For example, Run-DMC collaborated with Aerosmith. Public Enemy, the Beastie Boys rocked. Most rap bands sample rock and roll. All relevant. Donna Summer in the Hall...don't think so.
It should be renamed  
Greg from LI : 5/17/2023 12:10 pm : link
The Popular Music Hall of Fame. Calling it “Rock and Roll” with, say Missy fucking Elliott in over Iron Maiden is ridiculous.
It's a joke  
JonC : 5/17/2023 12:12 pm : link
and also appears they're following pop culture and society's move away from classic rock and over to more modern preferences, eg hip-hop, in order to try and stay relevant.
RE: RE: And besides  
Semipro Lineman : 5/17/2023 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16118381 rnargi said:
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You're kidding, right? You need to read a little bit about The Replacements.





That was Keanu Reeves' best movie role
*nods head*
RE: I have said for years  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/17/2023 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16118385 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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that the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is a joke. If it is truly the R &R HOF, other genres should not get in, i.e. hip hop, soul, rap, etc.

It should either be renamed the Music Hall of Fame or there should be separate HOF's for other genres of music.

Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Donna Summer. I like them all but they are not rock and roll. When is Beethoven getting in?

It's a fair point, but the Beasties were absolutely a rock group, they just happened to use hip hop lyrics on top of punk/hardcore/rock music for much of their catalog.
Lol  
RicFlair : 5/17/2023 12:16 pm : link
I love when these threads get made.
how the hell is Thorogood not in?  
markky : 5/17/2023 12:23 pm : link
- he revived interest in and introduced two new generations to classic American blues artists (Bo Diddley, Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, etc.)

- he developed a very unique guitar style (the finger picking, the sound, etc.)

- he wrote a few hit songs of his own

- he did this during the advent of the music video on MTV

apparently he's having some health issues at the moment. i would love him to get in while he could enjoy it, but i doubt it happens. bastards.
RE: how the hell is Thorogood not in?  
RicFlair : 5/17/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16118408 markky said:
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- he revived interest in and introduced two new generations to classic American blues artists (Bo Diddley, Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, etc.)

- he developed a very unique guitar style (the finger picking, the sound, etc.)

- he wrote a few hit songs of his own

- he did this during the advent of the music video on MTV

apparently he's having some health issues at the moment. i would love him to get in while he could enjoy it, but i doubt it happens. bastards.




Those achievements seem to be usually given to Stevie Ray instead.
No Pixies  
FranknWeezer : 5/17/2023 12:31 pm : link
No peace.
RE: RE: RE: And besides  
rnargi : 5/17/2023 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16118396 Semipro Lineman said:
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In comment 16118381 rnargi said:


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You're kidding, right? You need to read a little bit about The Replacements.






That was Keanu Reeves' best movie role
*nods head*


Well played, Semipro...well played...
Valid point on Beastie Boys  
redwhiteandbigblue : 5/17/2023 12:35 pm : link
But Run DMC collaborated on 1 song with Aerosmith (Walk This Way). That does not make them a rock and roll artist.
It's gradually turned into a "Music" hall of fame  
islander1 : 5/17/2023 12:36 pm : link
it ditched rock and roll a long time ago.
RE: Valid point on Beastie Boys  
RicFlair : 5/17/2023 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16118423 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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But Run DMC collaborated on 1 song with Aerosmith (Walk This Way). That does not make them a rock and roll artist.


Beastie boys have actual rock songs where they play actual instruments.
RE: RE: how the hell is Thorogood not in?  
markky : 5/17/2023 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16118417 RicFlair said:
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In comment 16118408 markky said:


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- he revived interest in and introduced two new generations to classic American blues artists (Bo Diddley, Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, etc.)

- he developed a very unique guitar style (the finger picking, the sound, etc.)

- he wrote a few hit songs of his own

- he did this during the advent of the music video on MTV

apparently he's having some health issues at the moment. i would love him to get in while he could enjoy it, but i doubt it happens. bastards.





Those achievements seem to be usually given to Stevie Ray instead.


Steve Ray Vaughan is an all-time great guitarist. And he led some younger folks to discover Jimi Hendrix (my all time favorite). But Thorogood pre-dates Vaughan. Thorogood already had 5 albums out before Stevie Ray hit the seen. And right from the start Thorogood had an agenda of re-introducing the public to the blues greats.

Plus Thorogood is a much better baseball player. (His band, the Delaware Destroyers, was actually named after a baseball team that he was playing on at the time.)
Snubs  
BlueinRoch : 5/17/2023 12:40 pm : link
Thin Lizzy and Dr. Hook.
So I repeat: bastards!  
markky : 5/17/2023 12:41 pm : link
let George in.
RE: Snubs  
markky : 5/17/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16118433 BlueinRoch said:
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Thin Lizzy and Dr. Hook.


how the hell is Thin Lizzy not in???
RE: Foreigner sucks...  
Dr. D : 5/17/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16118368 Chris in Philly said:
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you beat me to it.

You might appreciate this, Chris: I grew up on a farm a little north of NYC. Besides milk, we sold a lot of hay, sometimes to the rich and famous (hay quality was really important for wealthy horse people and we had a good reputation, so some people came from a distance to buy from us).

One day (ca. 1983) I was helping to load a large truck and the driver told me the hay was for his boss's horses and his boss was the lead singer of Foreigner, Lou Gramm (had to look up to refresh memory).

I was a young guy at the time and had no filter, so without hesitation I said - "Foreigner! I f*cking hate Foreigner!" (that was years before Dude said that about the eagles).

An older me might've kept that info to myself (then again, maybe not. What can I say, I'm an honest guy and I REALLY hate Foreigner!).

Yea totally agree with this guys take on the Rock,  
Simms11 : 5/17/2023 12:43 pm : link
and so called, Roll Hall of Fame. Paul Rodgers, Boston, Jethro Tull! Dolly Parton is in over those bands/artists?! Come on! It should just be called the Music Hall of Fame, as you could say a bunch of artists and bands in there are NOT Rock and Roll.
Have to admit some of those bands listed are debatable  
Dr. D : 5/17/2023 12:49 pm : link
But I don't think Jethro Tull is debatable.
RE: Have to admit some of those bands listed are debatable  
Dr. D : 5/17/2023 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16118446 Dr. D said:
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But I don't think Jethro Tull is debatable.

I mean, Tull clearly belongs
Warren Zevon and Jethro Tull  
DonQuixote : 5/17/2023 12:55 pm : link
If they are not in, the process is BS.
RE: And besides  
speedywheels : 5/17/2023 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16118366 Semipro Lineman said:
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all of those bands besides the New York Dolls weren't very good or important


Iron Maiden isn't very good??

Interesting perspective...
Don't bother  
pjcas18 : 5/17/2023 1:01 pm : link
trying to figure it out.

It will just piss you off.

Once they added Joan Baez, who was basically a folk cover singer/activist they lost any shred of even pretending it's about music.

certainly not rock n roll, but calling it the "rock n roll hall of fame" has been a misnomer for a while, probably since inception.
R&R HOF jumped the shark  
Red Dog : 5/17/2023 1:17 pm : link
the day it opened.

This from a former Top 40 disc jockey and long-time fan of REAL rock and roll.
RE: RE: Foreigner sucks...  
Chris in Philly : 5/17/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16118436 Dr. D said:
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In comment 16118368 Chris in Philly said:


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you beat me to it.

You might appreciate this, Chris: I grew up on a farm a little north of NYC. Besides milk, we sold a lot of hay, sometimes to the rich and famous (hay quality was really important for wealthy horse people and we had a good reputation, so some people came from a distance to buy from us).

One day (ca. 1983) I was helping to load a large truck and the driver told me the hay was for his boss's horses and his boss was the lead singer of Foreigner, Lou Gramm (had to look up to refresh memory).

I was a young guy at the time and had no filter, so without hesitation I said - "Foreigner! I f*cking hate Foreigner!" (that was years before Dude said that about the eagles).

An older me might've kept that info to myself (then again, maybe not. What can I say, I'm an honest guy and I REALLY hate Foreigner!).


I endorse this message...
Dr. D. and CIP - similar story  
David in Belmont : 5/17/2023 1:28 pm : link
I was in Raleigh North Carolina sometime back in 1986 or 87, staying at downtown hotel. I got into the elevator that three what I remember as big guys were already in. After a few seconds, the elevator stopped for about 15-20 minutes between floors. We started talking and they said they were Run-DMC. We talking about NYC because I had grown up close to where they had come from in Queens. Being stuck in an elevator is never fun but talking with them calmed my anxieties.

I'd never been into hip hop music so I didn't know much about the group when I met them.
Toto  
noro9 : 5/17/2023 1:29 pm : link
?
Some of the names...  
Chris in Philly : 5/17/2023 1:33 pm : link
getting mentioned only had a few hit songs. That's not HoF material...
Boston not is is all you need to know  
Chris L. : 5/17/2023 1:39 pm : link
Top 10 in albums sold all time. completely new sound that changed the way records would be made afterwards. Fantastic lead singer with truely great singing chops...but uhhhh yeah no.
RE: Some of the names...  
Semipro Lineman : 5/17/2023 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16118487 Chris in Philly said:
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getting mentioned only had a few hit songs. That's not HoF material...


Bite your tongue. Anyway, the Hall isn't legitimate until the guys who did that song that started like this are in...

On the first part of the journey
I was looking at all the life
There were plants and birds and rocks and things
There was sand and hills and rings

etc.. I think it had a horse in it or something
I went there on Monday.  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/17/2023 1:59 pm : link
I got in for free, I just walked in and no one asked for a ticket or money so I kept walking. It's great if you love the Beatles I guess but overall was pretty underwhelming. The coolest part was the area you could play all these different guitars, drums, etc. That would be special if you were a musician. I think I've seen more cool rock memorabilia at the Hard Rock Cafes and Casinos. Speaking of snubs I saw it took the Beatles and Stones 3 years to get in initially too. They had Emenem music playing, wtf?! Glad it was free, would have been a waste of 35 bucks. The coolest part was the architecture of the building itself.
RE: I went there on Monday.  
Chris in Philly : 5/17/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16118503 BigBlue in Keys said:
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I got in for free, I just walked in and no one asked for a ticket or money so I kept walking. It's great if you love the Beatles I guess but overall was pretty underwhelming. The coolest part was the area you could play all these different guitars, drums, etc. That would be special if you were a musician. I think I've seen more cool rock memorabilia at the Hard Rock Cafes and Casinos. Speaking of snubs I saw it took the Beatles and Stones 3 years to get in initially too. They had Emenem music playing, wtf?! Glad it was free, would have been a waste of 35 bucks. The coolest part was the architecture of the building itself.


Wow, really? We went a year ago and I loved it. Lots of great exhibits, I thought...
Dont pay much attention to Hall of Fame  
ciggy : 5/17/2023 2:38 pm : link
But reading this thread, I am absolutely stunned that Warren Zevon is not in. Is that really true??
Nothing wrong with the R&R HOF.  
Joe Beckwith : 5/17/2023 2:39 pm : link
Ok, so it took 30 years and a #1 song every decade since the 60s, 36 albums and performing nearly every music genre for the group CHICAGO to get in, but still😉….
When are my guys from Squeeze getting in?  
kinard : 5/17/2023 2:42 pm : link
Difford and Tilbrook have been together for almost 50 years (Tempted, Up the Junction, Pulling Muscles from a Shell, Take Me I'm Yours,ect.). Pure rock and roll for all of these years.

Awful snub - It must be a "steroid" thing.


Warren Zevon should be in the HOF  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 5/17/2023 2:44 pm : link
Tremendous artist
They hate nothing as much  
bluefin : 5/17/2023 2:48 pm : link
as they HATE prog, ESPECIALLY keyboards… if Deep Purple didn’t have Jon Lord they’d probably have gotten in decades sooner.

If they were an ACTUAL HOF, ought to have a bias towards actual pioneering artists with roots in the 60s who basically were working from scratch, hence:

Steve Marriott - he was THE MAN…ask Robt. Plant, Paul Rodgers, or any other blues tenor

Ed “Cass” Cassidy, of Spirit , plankboard Cali founding father

Keith Emerson - KMA haters, he invented a genre…he burned a US flag, doesn’t that count for something with the selectors?
RE: Foreigner sucks...  
JohnG in Albany : 5/17/2023 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16118368 Chris in Philly said:
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Yes, they do.
RE: RE: And besides  
give66 : 5/17/2023 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16118457 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16118366 Semipro Lineman said:


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all of those bands besides the New York Dolls weren't very good or important



Iron Maiden isn't very good??

Interesting perspective...


Just saw them at packed UBS Arena after being around over 40 years. Nobody sat the entire show and I was up in the mid sections. Guys still got it.
RE: They hate nothing as much  
give66 : 5/17/2023 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16118531 bluefin said:
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as they HATE prog, ESPECIALLY keyboards… if Deep Purple didn’t have Jon Lord they’d probably have gotten in decades sooner.

If they were an ACTUAL HOF, ought to have a bias towards actual pioneering artists with roots in the 60s who basically were working from scratch, hence:

Steve Marriott - he was THE MAN…ask Robt. Plant, Paul Rodgers, or any other blues tenor

Ed “Cass” Cassidy, of Spirit , plankboard Cali founding father

Keith Emerson - KMA haters, he invented a genre…he burned a US flag, doesn’t that count for something with the selectors?

Steve Marriott I believe is in the Hall with the small faces.
Iron Maiden  
djm : 5/17/2023 3:02 pm : link
is basically the most successful heavy metal band of all time. They have dominated the music scene for over FOUR decades now. They have the old fucks like me following, kind of old fucks following and younger generation following them. They sell out arenas this very moment.

Maiden should have their own wing in the HOF.
RE: RE: They hate nothing as much  
bluefin : 5/17/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16118536 give66 said:
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In comment 16118531 bluefin said:


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as they HATE prog, ESPECIALLY keyboards… if Deep Purple didn’t have Jon Lord they’d probably have gotten in decades sooner.

If they were an ACTUAL HOF, ought to have a bias towards actual pioneering artists with roots in the 60s who basically were working from scratch, hence:

Steve Marriott - he was THE MAN…ask Robt. Plant, Paul Rodgers, or any other blues tenor

Ed “Cass” Cassidy, of Spirit , plankboard Cali founding father

Keith Emerson - KMA haters, he invented a genre…he burned a US flag, doesn’t that count for something with the selectors?


Steve Marriott I believe is in the Hall with the small faces.

glad to hear this, thx
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