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NFT: Rays at Mets Game 2. Senga

ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:35 pm
Mets Lineup

1.). Nimmo CF
2.) Escobar 2B
3.) Lindor SS
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Pham DH
6.) Marte RF
7.) Canha LF
8.) Vientos DH
9.) Alvarez C

Vientos season debut. LG optioned to AAA. LGM!
Vientos is playing  
Earl the goat : 5/17/2023 6:37 pm : link
Third. Not DH
My bad.  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:38 pm : link
Yup
RE: My bad.  
Earl the goat : 5/17/2023 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16118671 ZGiants98 said:
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Yup



Where’s Baty. Day off?
RE: RE: My bad.  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16118673 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 16118671 ZGiants98 said:


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Yup




Where’s Baty. Day off?


exhausted from running the bases on his homer last night.
The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 6:47 pm : link
is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.
Here are the SPs for both clubs today along with the Starting lineups:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 6:48 pm : link


mlb.com - Starting Lineups and Pitchers for TB at NYM on May 17th, 2023

These are the Mets  
Dave on the UWS : 5/17/2023 6:49 pm : link
they thought Buck was a good idea. hmm- maybe not!
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.


Agreed. Why not cross-train Mauricio in the corner OF positions as well as 2B since those are where he'll fit best in the majors?
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.


They tried him ion LF last year and it was a complete disaster. Those that saw him said he took the worst routes to the ball they had ever seen from a player. I think Im good with him at DH, 1B, and maybe once in a blue moon 3B for now.
RE: RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16118682 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:


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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.



Agreed. Why not cross-train Mauricio in the corner OF positions as well as 2B since those are where he'll fit best in the majors?


Mauricio has never played the OF in his entire life. He only just got moved off of SS to 2B ( much easier transition). The Mets (and scouts) still believe there is some rawness in his game both offensively and defensively. I think it's best he continues to mature with the bat and get as comfortable as he can in the field where he's at. We do not need him learning an entirely foreign position in-season IMO. We also dont even need him to play LF. McNeil should move to LF permanently next year IMO.
This is annoying..  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:01 pm : link
Pham in lineup..no Baty..

Just stupid.

I don't care if it's a lefty.

If Buck platoons Baty and Vientos and just keeps playing Pham and Vogelbach then having them up here is just a waste.
I'd prefer that Mauricio stick at Triple A until September honestly.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 7:04 pm : link
His game is indeed raw, as Zgiants pointed out. Let him work on defense. If he stink in the OF, then so be it. Let him play there and improve on occasion. If he continues to stink, then DH/2B it is.
RE: This is annoying..  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16118687 moze1021 said:
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Pham in lineup..no Baty..

Just stupid.

I don't care if it's a lefty.

If Buck platoons Baty and Vientos and just keeps playing Pham and Vogelbach then having them up here is just a waste.


Buck is pissed at this whole thing. This lineup proves it.
Anyone want to guess how many games  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:09 pm : link
Pete started batting 7th, 8th, or 9th in his rookie season?
RE: Anyone want to guess how many games  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:26 pm : link
In comment 16118693 moze1021 said:
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Pete started batting 7th, 8th, or 9th in his rookie season?


0

In his MLB debut he batted 2nd in the order.
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2023 7:47 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF.

You clearly have a memory block on the Todd Hundley outfield adventure.
Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:00 pm : link
It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?
vientos' ground out was 99 mph  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:01 pm : link
petes gidp was 108 with a 440 xba.

marte and canha now both lower ops' than escobar. pham almost 100 points higher than marte and also gaining ground quickly on canha.
RE: Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16118705 Optimus-NY said:
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It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?


we would have seen him only when nido had the eye issue. alvarez is still young so his promotion wasnt a no brainer until injury. once he was up it was a no brainer to play him more than they did at the time though.
RE: RE: Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16118708 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16118705 Optimus-NY said:


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It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?



we would have seen him only when nido had the eye issue. alvarez is still young so his promotion wasnt a no brainer until injury. once he was up it was a no brainer to play him more than they did at the time though.


Thanks E. That makes sense. Does Nidon't have any options remaining?
no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:13 pm : link
pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.
Nice job by Marte going the other way.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:15 pm : link
Canha's got to have a good at bat here.
Senga breaking out tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:21 pm : link
against the best offense in baseball. Let's score some damn runs!
RE: no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16118713 Eric on Li said:
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pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.


Thanks Eric. So what happens to Nido once he's back and Narvaez returns some time in June? They can't possibly send Alvy down now? Nido would have to go.
107.5 on that ground out by vientos  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:25 pm : link
he and alonso have all 4 of the mets hard hit balls. that one had a .380 xba.
RE: RE: no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16118716 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16118713 Eric on Li said:


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pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.



Thanks Eric. So what happens to Nido once he's back and Narvaez returns some time in June? They can't possibly send Alvy down now? Nido would have to go.


that's the question. they said they are going to take it slow with nidos rehab and narvaez is still several weeks away so i think it depends on how alvarez plays. if he hits more he will stay up if he hits less probably goes down. stays the same who knows? seems somewhat telling they hit vientos in front of him day 1.

nido's salary is just high enough he may not get claimed if they try to send him down. especially with the eye issue.

sanchez adds another wrinkle if he comes up for perez and plays well in the few weeks before nido/narvaez get back.
The catching situation is definitely interesting  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:29 pm : link
It would be appalling to send Alvarez back down. Especially, with how well he's handled the pitching staff. Sanchez needs to be activated by Friday. Perez and Nido are almost assuredly gone soon. Perez probably demoted and Nido DFA'd. I guess the best they can hope for is for Sanchez to look decent so they can flip him to another team before Narvaez returns.
the only reason alvarez should go down is if he gets outhit clearly  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:38 pm : link
nido can't do that but narvaez and/or sanchez could.

right now alvarez' defense has been very good but his offense has not been good. his avg exit velocity is 85 mph, his xba is .195, his xslg% is .308. he is k'ing 29% walking 8%.

remember in AAA he only had 16 at bats and 4 hits this year. last year on the season he hit .234 at AAA in 45 games. he's 2 full years younger than baty/vientos.

he should get every chance to prove himself on the strong side for the next few weeks and he should get the strong side until narvaez outplays him. if sanchez comes up and hits or if alvarez slumps worse there may be a viable reason to send him down. i dont think there's a clear answer on what's best for him or the team yet.
Hell yeah Senga  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:39 pm : link
Great outing!!
really quality outing from senga against the hottest offense in mlb  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:40 pm : link
this is something to build on for him. would be something for the team to build on if they could string some hits together.
senga game score of 71 is the 3rd best on the season to  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:43 pm : link
luchessi against sfg (76) and verlander against cincy (74).
mcneil adds the 5th hard hit ball on the game - all 5 are outs so far  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:46 pm : link
that one had a .300 xba so not as big of a robbery as it looked at first glance. but that's 3 hard hit balls with a greater than 30% chance of being hits all converted to outs by tampa.
and we're pinch hitting vogelbach against a lhp w/ tying run on 2nd  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:49 pm : link
at least they are getting diekman's 9 era out of the game.

vogelsnack currently hitting .000 vs lhp on the year (0/7, 3ks).
Horrible move  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:51 pm : link
Should have been Baty there. Yikes.
and vogelbach takes strike 3 down the middle k'd on 3 pitches  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:52 pm : link
but hey that was the best illustration yet of the downside of their over-platoon strategy.

tomorrow's lineup pls and ty:

Nimmo, Lindor, McNeil, Alonso, Baty, Vientos, Marte, Canha, Alvarez
siri show me why you never hit vogelbach vs a lefty  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:55 pm : link
this was really a 4 pitch strike out.

RE: Horrible move  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16118732 ZGiants98 said:
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Should have been Baty there. Yikes.


Don't be ridiculous..

Why would you use the MORE talented player?
in FL, so watching Tampa’s feed  
KDavies : 5/17/2023 8:58 pm : link
the annnouncers pointed out on the Raley K just now what a good job Alvarez did on framing that one. It was a low pitch and he had his glove above it and pulled it up. Got a strike. Interesting to see another team’s announcers perspective on his D
Well cant win if you cant hit  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:59 pm : link
This is absolutely pathetic.
He did it!  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
WOW!
Tie!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
Vientos!!!
Let's gooooo!!!  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
That one's for you Eric!!
Bang!!!  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
.
Buck sure looked thrilled....  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
lol
VIENTOS!!!  
Section331 : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
I guess that guarantees him a spot on the bench tomorrow. 😄
hey good thing they called up mark vientos  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
3 batted balls, all 3 hard hit, 2 over 103 mph.
RE: Buck sure looked thrilled....  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/17/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16118747 Optimus-NY said:
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lol


I saw the same thing
RE: VIENTOS!!!  
speedywheels : 5/17/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16118748 Section331 said:
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I guess that guarantees him a spot on the bench tomorrow. 😄


Sadly, you’re probably right….
turn in tomorrow's lineup card right now  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:11 pm : link
1. nimmo
2. lindor
3. mcneil
4. alonso
5. baty
6. vientos
7. surrendered out
8. surrendered out
9. alvarez
I thought there was a writers strike  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 9:11 pm : link
Vientos story arch has gone perfectly so far
Here's a link to the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:12 pm : link
Sorry for not posting it earlier (Mets feed).


MLB.com Gameday - Rays at Mets - Box Score - May 17, 2023 - 7:10 pm ET start


Rays @ Mets - 7:10 pm ET start on May 17th, 2023 - TV Broadcast feed for Mets: SNY w/Gary and Keith (markkystreams) - ( New Window )
actually 1 revision - canha earned the 8 spot tomorrow leaning into  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:13 pm : link
that ball like a champ. he dorn'd that one.
Here's a link the Rays' feed:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:14 pm : link
Click below for outside some perspective...


Rays @ Mets - 7:10 pm ET start on May 17th, 2023 - TV Broadcast feed for Rays (bestsolaris) - ( New Window )
are we the worst team holding runners on in history?  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:18 pm : link
alvarez has made some great throws but these guys are practically on second when he releases.
RE: turn in tomorrow's lineup card right now  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16118754 Eric on Li said:
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1. nimmo
2. lindor
3. mcneil
4. alonso
5. baty
6. vientos
7. surrendered out
8. surrendered out
9. alvarez


Sad, but true :-(
Ugh  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 9:20 pm : link
.
Well it was fun for a  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 9:21 pm : link
moment.
RE: are we the worst team holding runners on in history?  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16118763 Eric on Li said:
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alvarez has made some great throws but these guys are practically on second when he releases.


The advantage for the runners is too much. They ought to go back to the previous smaller base sizes to help mitigate this.
LOL! Of course.  
speedywheels : 5/17/2023 9:21 pm : link
Sigh…
please  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:22 pm : link
dont
walk
leadoff
batters

what a garbage inning off the team's first big hit of the month.
Ottavino has to get better at holding runners  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 9:25 pm : link
Otherwise, he is going to be out of baseball.

Arozarena abd Raley are not even big base stealers  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 9:28 pm : link
Everybody just runs on Otta because they have no fear of getting caught
i was 100% in on hiring buck  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:29 pm : link
but it's hard to watch this game and not feel disadvantaged. since the end of last year when he started making bizarre comments about players it has felt like he simply lost it a little bit. that's continued with his litany of comments about the young players he's clearly been reluctant to play despite obvious abilities.

tonight the bizarre lineup, the pinch hit decision with vogelbach, and tampa taking them to school on the base paths is just watching this team give away free outs and free bases to a better team.
Setting up nicely  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 9:33 pm : link
For a vientos AB w 2 out and one on in the bottom of the 9th...
We could have Eric Chavez  
spike : 5/17/2023 9:34 pm : link
manage this team next season
RE: i was 100% in on hiring buck  
GF1080 : 5/17/2023 9:34 pm : link
In comment 16118777 Eric on Li said:
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but it's hard to watch this game and not feel disadvantaged. since the end of last year when he started making bizarre comments about players it has felt like he simply lost it a little bit. that's continued with his litany of comments about the young players he's clearly been reluctant to play despite obvious abilities.

tonight the bizarre lineup, the pinch hit decision with vogelbach, and tampa taking them to school on the base paths is just watching this team give away free outs and free bases to a better team.


Carig lit into him a bit on Twitter tonight and he was 100% correct.
Buck has just imploded  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 9:35 pm : link
sad
RE: We could have Eric Chavez  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16118784 spike said:
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manage this team next season


Do we think he's ready though for that job?
RE: RE: We could have Eric Chavez  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16118788 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16118784 spike said:


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manage this team next season



Do we think he's ready though for that job?


doubt it. i dont think you can let a first time manager take the reigns on a ws contender with a 300m+ payroll and huge expectations.

i dont know what happened with buck but last year he was such a confident breathe of fresh air and ever since things went south at the end of the year he seems to have just soured.
do they not have a pitcher who can run for vogelbach?  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:54 pm : link
he did his job and walked. how can you let him run here and leave an easy out on the base paths even if he isn't the tying run you still need to get him across.
2 on none out  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:57 pm : link
baty
vientos
alvarez

coming up as potential tying runs.

the set up of a 'future is now' moment is lined up.
OMG!!  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:01 pm : link
WOW!!
holy shit  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:01 pm : link
i dont think alvarez is getting sent down lol.
Holy Shit!  
Dennis : 5/17/2023 10:01 pm : link
He did it! 5-5!
them kids!  
KDavies : 5/17/2023 10:02 pm : link
Baty’s turn for the walkoff
HR  
GF1080 : 5/17/2023 10:02 pm : link
Alvarez!!!
future is  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:02 pm : link
NOW!
Young guns  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
Here to (hopefully) save the season!
104.6 mph for alvarez hr and even vientos' pop up was another 102.7  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
vientos game 1:

99.6mph ground ball
107.5mph ground ball
103.6mph home run
102.7mph pop up

4 hard hit balls.

play. him. every. day.
EV  
GF1080 : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
104.6 on that boom.
Love these kids!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
So happy for Alvy and Vientos tonight!
Please  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
no more Pham
There's your 9 hitter..lol  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:03 pm : link
.
Alvarez  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:04 pm : link
is a HOF talent

Period
We better win this effing game  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:04 pm : link
!
How could there be a 102.7MPH pop up???  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/17/2023 10:05 pm : link
Makes me doubt any of these exit velocities if so.
Play them all every day eric  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:05 pm : link
Baty was right on that AB...was patient, wasn't overmatched.
Baty in LF  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:05 pm : link
Hmmm.....
whoa brett baty in LF  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:05 pm : link
that's a notable development if the starting corners keep hitting the way they have been.
RE: Play them all every day eric  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16118811 moze1021 said:
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Baty was right on that AB...was patient, wasn't overmatched.


no argument there. he and baty should be locked into 5/6.
RE: How could there be a 102.7MPH pop up???  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16118810 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Makes me doubt any of these exit velocities if so.


Lol what? He hit it high. Same way there can be a 105 mph that is pounded right into the ground. It's the angle that determines the hit probability
RE: whoa brett baty in LF  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16118813 Eric on Li said:
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that's a notable development if the starting corners keep hitting the way they have been.

😍
Obviously they read my post  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:08 pm : link
about how anybody can play LF
RE: How could there be a 102.7MPH pop up???  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:09 pm : link
In comment 16118810 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Makes me doubt any of these exit velocities if so.


take a seat im about to blow your mind, google "rocketship".

i dont think ive ever seen a gm with 7 stolen bases on 7 great throws  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:10 pm : link
either the mets are the worst team in history holding guys on or they over did the rule changes.
Wow how do you hang that pitch  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:13 pm : link
Robertson has been fine, but I think this team has really missed Edwin's juice


Nice seed there by Vientos, didn't know he had that in him.
Our pitching sucks  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:14 pm : link
Missing Edwin dearly every 9th inning
Having trumpets there  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:15 pm : link
is a whole different game.
Losing this game  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:15 pm : link
Will be such a shame.

Could have been a huge turning point but the bullpen just couldn't do it's job
Terrible job by the bullpen  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:15 pm : link
Let up at one run in every inning they pitched. Six runs in 4 innings overall
OMG WHAT A GAME!!  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
WOW
Pete!!!!  
GF1080 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
Polar bear!!!
OMG!  
Dennis : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
alonso! Mets win!
Let's goooo!!!!  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
What a win!!

YES!!!
This may be a turning point  
KDavies : 5/17/2023 10:22 pm : link
game in the season. Wow!
Holy shit  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 10:22 pm : link
He crushed that
Wow!  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:23 pm : link
He hit that fucker into the night
If Baty can play OF  
Metnut : 5/17/2023 10:24 pm : link
it’ll give our lineup a lot flexibility.

Huge win tonight. Hopefully a turning point.
That's one of the craziest games Ive ever seen  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:24 pm : link
And I was at the 8 run comeback against the Braves in 2000.
RE: If Baty can play OF  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16118838 Metnut said:
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it’ll give our lineup a lot flexibility.

Huge win tonight. Hopefully a turning point.


He's supposedly a better LF than 3B.
Bring up Mauricio!!!  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
Let's just run with the kids
LFGM  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
!!!
every run came off the long ball  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:26 pm : link
obviously you cant rely exclusively on homers or young guys but you need to give talent a chance.

1-7 going forward for the next month has to be some combo of the top 4 and the 3 kids.

go out and win the series against the best team in baseball tomorrow - with the 3 kids in the lineup - and then go from there.
by the way vientos looked decent at 3b  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:28 pm : link
he's a big guy so he's never going to be graceful but he looked a little better than jdd ever looked and he's turned himself into a real 3b.
Im fine with giving him a bit more seasoning  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:30 pm : link
But I want Mauricio up in the second half as well. Make Canha the 4th OF and get rid of Pham.
The kids are going to offer some flexibility...  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
Ideally Mauricio ends up at 2B, Baty 3B, Vientos DH, and Alvarez C. But...

Baty LF/3B
Mauricio 3B/SS/2B
Vientos 3B, 1B, DH
Alvarez C, DH

Definitely could pay dividends later.
NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
2023 Mets!
What a win!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
Put it in the books!



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Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/17/2023 10:33 pm : link
I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...
RE: This may be a turning point  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16118834 KDavies said:
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game in the season. Wow!


Let's hope so!
RE: Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:42 pm : link
In comment 16118850 Rob in Rockaway said:
Quote:
I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...


im with you, exit velocity on every at bat is new and i was also surprised to see a number like that on a ball that looked like a ho-hum fly ball. clearly he's got a lot of juice in his bat and that could translate to making a real big impact.
Shake up the whole lineup  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:43 pm : link
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF


Buck was talking about how sick Pete was today.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:44 pm : link
He toughed it out. Happy he did.
RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF



Lindor should be 7th or 8th. No way a guy with OBP of .300 should be batting 2nd
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16118855 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF





Lindor should be 7th or 8th. No way a guy with OBP of .300 should be batting 2nd


Yeah. Good luck with that. The 363 million dollar man aint batting 8th.
Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:51 pm : link
He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).
RE: Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:53 pm : link
In comment 16118858 Optimus-NY said:
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He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).


Perez at C, Alvarez at DH, Vientos at 1B would be pretty sweet. Give Alonso a blow.
RE: RE: Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:54 pm : link
In comment 16118852 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16118850 Rob in Rockaway said:


Quote:


I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...



im with you, exit velocity on every at bat is new and i was also surprised to see a number like that on a ball that looked like a ho-hum fly ball. clearly he's got a lot of juice in his bat and that could translate to making a real big impact.


Yeah I agree...but that ball was sky high.


One thing that doesn't make sense to me is how Pets projected distance was shorter than Alvarez.. ball actually went further in the stadium and had a much higher exit velocity. I see Acuna hitting like 460 foot HRs.. how was Petes only 416?
RE: RE: Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16118859 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 16118858 Optimus-NY said:


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He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).



Perez at C, Alvarez at DH, Vientos at 1B would be pretty sweet. Give Alonso a blow.


Sounds about right. Here are tomorrow's starting pitchers:



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Do the victory dance with Paige Spiranac!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:05 pm : link
vientos being able to give pete days off at first could be big  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:08 pm : link
pete's numbers at dh speak for themselves. buck said he's been sick the last few days and probably shouldnt be playing, which has no doubt happened a lot the last few years but they cant score without him so he can never sit.

time to take the training wheels off and fully invest in the kids. vogey, pham, escobar, canha, marte can play for the final 2 spots and earn their at bats.

and remember tonight a month from now when there's a legitimate reason to consider promoting mauricio. or who knows maybe even tomorrow if marte needs an IL trip. you know when i wouldnt mind vogey at dh? when this is the lineup vs a rhp:

nimmo
lindor
mcneil rf
pete
vientos 3b
baty lf
alvarez
vogey dh
mauricio 2b

hopefully marte/canha get it together but theres a chance they dont.

and next year we may need dh for our ace.
RE: vientos being able to give pete days off at first could be big  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16118871 Eric on Li said:
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pete's numbers at dh speak for themselves. buck said he's been sick the last few days and probably shouldnt be playing, which has no doubt happened a lot the last few years but they cant score without him so he can never sit.

time to take the training wheels off and fully invest in the kids. vogey, pham, escobar, canha, marte can play for the final 2 spots and earn their at bats.

and remember tonight a month from now when there's a legitimate reason to consider promoting mauricio. or who knows maybe even tomorrow if marte needs an IL trip. you know when i wouldnt mind vogey at dh? when this is the lineup vs a rhp:

nimmo
lindor
mcneil rf
pete
vientos 3b
baty lf
alvarez
vogey dh
mauricio 2b

hopefully marte/canha get it together but theres a chance they dont.

and next year we may need dh for our ace.


Don't forget about Nidon't. He belongs on that list of players fighting it out for the last few roster spots. Mets are gonna need to make some trades, of for no other reason other than addition by subtraction. I think they could get something in return for Vogelbach. Nothing like they gave up of course, but something still. Nidon't and Mehscobar are a different kettle of fish, but maybe something for Escobar if they eat some of his salary.
Nido is likely going to get DFA'd  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:39 pm : link
im not even sure he's going to get a chance unless narvaez has a setback or someone else gets injured.

not trying to make too much of 1 game/1 homer but the way alvarez threw the ball that entire game and the reality of where his body of work is, plus the homers that will presumably start coming with more frequency, i just dont see him going back down again unless he totally falls on his face.
RE: Nido is likely going to get DFA'd  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:49 pm : link
In comment 16118876 Eric on Li said:
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im not even sure he's going to get a chance unless narvaez has a setback or someone else gets injured.

not trying to make too much of 1 game/1 homer but the way alvarez threw the ball that entire game and the reality of where his body of work is, plus the homers that will presumably start coming with more frequency, i just dont see him going back down again unless he totally falls on his face.


Yup, re: Alvy. Nidon't can take a hike for all anyone cares. DFA his @$$. Good riddance.
some really good clubhouse quotes tonight  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:49 pm : link
great quotes from alvarez and vientos:

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Heading into his at-bat in the bottom of the 9th inning, Francisco Álvarez thought back to his appearance against Josh Hader earlier this season and vowed to perform better this time up


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"I'm really proud that they're here with me to experience this. It's a different type of support...since I've been with them, it's been special."

Francisco Álvarez on what it means to play alongside Mark Vientos and Brett Baty in the majors


this doesnt feel like a win as much as the beginning of a new era.
"We grew up through the system with each other. We're basically brothers." Mark Vientos on playing with Brett Baty and Francisco Álvarez - ( New Window )
RE: some really good clubhouse quotes tonight  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 9:44 am : link
In comment 16118879 Eric on Li said:
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this doesnt feel like a win as much as the beginning of a new era.


Great point! I really feel this as well.

Really hope these guys do indeed feed off each other. Now put them in spots in the lineup where they can do more damage!
RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Metnut : 5/18/2023 10:04 am : link
In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF



I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.
Mets need Marte to get it going  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 10:21 am : link
It's such a huge key in all these scenarios..

He still passes the eye test to me.
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 10:41 am : link
In comment 16118950 Metnut said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF





I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.


There's a bit too much of a roster crunch going on at the moment. We very well might see that later on this season, but I think it'll have to wait at least month or so until after the catcher situation sorts itself out. By then, both Nido and Narvaez will have returned and a decision would have been made about who's going where. Sanchez and Perez will hold the fort for another week or so until Nidon't returns---expect Sanchez to be up tomorrow for Perez.

The Mets won't carry three catchers. Either Alvy goes down (doubtful at this point) OR Nidon't gets traded or DFAd once Narvaez comes back in early to mid June. Then it's a matter of what to do with Vogey and Escobar. Keep in mind that Luis G in a holding pattern at Triple A Syracuse now. Canha or Pham might be trade candidates as well. It's not a simple fix anymore.
No  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:26 am : link
Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:26 am : link
In comment 16118950 Metnut said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


1.) Nimmo CF
2ientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) V





I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.


I think McNeil is too good a hitter to be hitting that low. I think McNeil is the ideal 2-hole hitter (with righty starting pitcher).

Here's what I'd like to see:
VS. LHP

1. Nimmo CF
2. Marte RF
3. Lindor SS - *Struggling this year, but does have .891 OPS vs LHP in 2023
4. Alonso 1B/DH
5. McNeil 2B
6. Vientos DH/1B/3B
7. Canha/Pham LF
8. Alvarez C
9. Baty/Escobar 3B/DH


Vs Righties:

1. Nimmo CF
2. McNeil 2B
3. Vientos 3B/DH (I'm trusting what my eyes tell me)
4. Alonso 1B
5. Baty 3B/LF
6. Lindor SS
7. Vogelbach DH / Canha LF when Baty at 3B and Vientos at DH
8. Alvarez C
9. Marte RF

May seem strange with Vientos hitting 6th vs lefties and 3rd vs righties...but I love Vientos hitting behind McNeil, and I love his RBI potential vs any pitching. Lindor is too good to continue to struggle against right-handed pitching. After Baty hitting 5, I like how the lineup sets up against RHP with Lindor-Vogey-Alvarez... can see Alvarez getting a lot of opportunities to drive in runs, and then Marte having an opportunity to be that turn lead-off guy at the 9-hole.

There's no way we're going to see the young guys high up in the order any time soon, but if I'm making a prediction, it's that Vientos is going to eventually be one of the most feared 3-hole hitters in baseball.

RE: No  
Mike in NY : 5/18/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16119016 DanMetroMan said:
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Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck


Who needs players who can actually play?
RE: No  
GF1080 : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16119016 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck


No way! I'm really getting sick of this guy.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
No Vientos today is truly ridiculous. I'll take @mets
at their word that Alvarez is dinged (and I'm sure he's tired) but Vientos? WTF Buck?
Checking in on the farm  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
Mauricio playing 2B last night...2-4 with a double. Continues to rake. OPS 1.010, BA up to .358. Wow.

Dirty Sanchez 1-2, and HBP twice.

Boring  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:33 am : link
day on the farm so I didn't bother with a full summary but-

Tidwell continues to struggle with his command... an understatement

Jett the Met on base twice yesterday, also collected his 9th SB

another rough outing for Atencio. He’s been a sleeper for many of us since before last season. Era now stands at 11.09. I could see him sent to the complete league next month if he doesn’t turn it around

Parada went 1-for-4 with a 2B and HBP
Yeah so righty pitcher on the mound  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:35 am : link
in Taj Bradley, and Buck is going to bench Vientos in favor of Vogey, even though Vientos just hit a game-tying homerun off a RHP last night and has a 1.129 OPS vs righties at AAA this year.

Fucking genius.

How long is it going to take Buck to understand Vientos is not a platoon hitter?
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:38 am : link
warned some of you guys about this yesterday. I don't think Buck is going to play Vientos anywhere near "every day" unless his hand is truly forced.
Fuck Showalter at this point  
BigBlue7 : 5/18/2023 11:40 am : link
His resume be damned, I can't stand the guy anymore
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:43 am : link
"Vogelbach is a pretty good option too"

Buck Showalter on why Mark Vientos is not in the lineup today for the Mets:
Yeah, Dan, yesterday I said I was concerned  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:44 am : link
about this exact thing.

But you know, it's important we get Escobar in the lineup with his .547 OPS vs RHP this year in the lineup. That's awesome.

Tommy Pham, too. .542 OPS vs RHP this year.

If you want Vogey in the lineup vs RHP, fine. Baty in LF and Vientos at 3B. Problem solved. Live with Baty in LF for awhile.



RE: .  
Mike in NY : 5/18/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16119044 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
"Vogelbach is a pretty good option too"

Buck Showalter on why Mark Vientos is not in the lineup today for the Mets:


Outside of being a veteran, no he isn't. Eppler should go all Billy Beane and trade every veteran so Buck HAS TO play young players.
RE: Yeah, Dan, yesterday I said I was concerned  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:50 am : link
In comment 16119046 allstarjim said:
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about this exact thing.

But you know, it's important we get Escobar in the lineup with his .547 OPS vs RHP this year in the lineup. That's awesome.

Tommy Pham, too. .542 OPS vs RHP this year.

If you want Vogey in the lineup vs RHP, fine. Baty in LF and Vientos at 3B. Problem solved. Live with Baty in LF for awhile.




It's becoming VERY hard to argue against the fact that Buck STRONGLY favors veterans to the point it will become a ?? if he should be the guy leading what will likely be an increasingly young team in the next 2-3 seasons. Maybe he adjusts his mindset? One has to hope.
RE: RE: .  
GF1080 : 5/18/2023 11:50 am : link
In comment 16119047 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16119044 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


"Vogelbach is a pretty good option too"

Buck Showalter on why Mark Vientos is not in the lineup today for the Mets:



Outside of being a veteran, no he isn't. Eppler should go all Billy Beane and trade every veteran so Buck HAS TO play young players.


Except Eppler seems to be a major part of this problem as well.
RE: RE: Yeah, Dan, yesterday I said I was concerned  
KDavies : 5/18/2023 11:53 am : link
In comment 16119048 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16119046 allstarjim said:


Quote:


about this exact thing.

But you know, it's important we get Escobar in the lineup with his .547 OPS vs RHP this year in the lineup. That's awesome.

Tommy Pham, too. .542 OPS vs RHP this year.

If you want Vogey in the lineup vs RHP, fine. Baty in LF and Vientos at 3B. Problem solved. Live with Baty in LF for awhile.






It's becoming VERY hard to argue against the fact that Buck STRONGLY favors veterans to the point it will become a ?? if he should be the guy leading what will likely be an increasingly young team in the next 2-3 seasons. Maybe he adjusts his mindset? One has to hope.


Bingo, and I like Buck for the most part. No excuse to have Pham and Escobar in there, but no Vientos. If this crap continues, it is pretty clear Buck is not the right man for the job. The front office needs to also direct Buck. I'm not one for the front office meddling in managerial decisions, but they need to tell Buck the kids need to play
,  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 12:06 pm : link
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Gary Sanchez can opt out from his minor league deal with the Mets tomorrow. One possibility the Mets are strongly weighing is asking Sanchez to extend another 10 days before a decision is reached.
RE: .  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16119044 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
"Vogelbach is a pretty good option too"

Buck Showalter on why Mark Vientos is not in the lineup today for the Mets:


What is this? A menu? Buck is a stubborn mofo. Cohen needs to step in and check him.
RE: Yeah, Dan, yesterday I said I was concerned  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16119046 allstarjim said:
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about this exact thing.

But you know, it's important we get Escobar in the lineup with his .547 OPS vs RHP this year in the lineup. That's awesome.

Tommy Pham, too. .542 OPS vs RHP this year.

If you want Vogey in the lineup vs RHP, fine. Baty in LF and Vientos at 3B. Problem solved. Live with Baty in LF for awhile.




Agreed. You're being reasonable though. Buck won't be satisfied.
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