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NFT: Rays at Mets Game 2. Senga

ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:35 pm
Mets Lineup

1.). Nimmo CF
2.) Escobar 2B
3.) Lindor SS
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Pham DH
6.) Marte RF
7.) Canha LF
8.) Vientos DH
9.) Alvarez C

Vientos season debut. LG optioned to AAA. LGM!
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Vientos is playing  
Earl the goat : 5/17/2023 6:37 pm : link
Third. Not DH
My bad.  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:38 pm : link
Yup
RE: My bad.  
Earl the goat : 5/17/2023 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16118671 ZGiants98 said:
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Yup



Where’s Baty. Day off?
RE: RE: My bad.  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16118673 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 16118671 ZGiants98 said:


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Yup




Where’s Baty. Day off?


exhausted from running the bases on his homer last night.
The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 6:47 pm : link
is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.
Here are the SPs for both clubs today along with the Starting lineups:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 6:48 pm : link


mlb.com - Starting Lineups and Pitchers for TB at NYM on May 17th, 2023

These are the Mets  
Dave on the UWS : 5/17/2023 6:49 pm : link
they thought Buck was a good idea. hmm- maybe not!
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.


Agreed. Why not cross-train Mauricio in the corner OF positions as well as 2B since those are where he'll fit best in the majors?
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.


They tried him ion LF last year and it was a complete disaster. Those that saw him said he took the worst routes to the ball they had ever seen from a player. I think Im good with him at DH, 1B, and maybe once in a blue moon 3B for now.
RE: RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:59 pm : link
In comment 16118682 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:


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is its arrogance

Given that they have not won since 1986, you would think there would be some humility.

But instead, there is this know-it-all-attitude

Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Alvarez defense is NOT READY!!! But a study of the Eastern League showed he was the best pitch framer. Scherzer said his defense was fine and he had no problem throwing to him. But No! The Mets experts say he is not ready. Then he comes up and if anything is a plus defender.


Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF. Maybe not longterm or really well but for a season or few months. He absolutely can. Anyone who has ever played even HS baseball knows that if you give a guy reps, he will be passable in LF.



Agreed. Why not cross-train Mauricio in the corner OF positions as well as 2B since those are where he'll fit best in the majors?


Mauricio has never played the OF in his entire life. He only just got moved off of SS to 2B ( much easier transition). The Mets (and scouts) still believe there is some rawness in his game both offensively and defensively. I think it's best he continues to mature with the bat and get as comfortable as he can in the field where he's at. We do not need him learning an entirely foreign position in-season IMO. We also dont even need him to play LF. McNeil should move to LF permanently next year IMO.
This is annoying..  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:01 pm : link
Pham in lineup..no Baty..

Just stupid.

I don't care if it's a lefty.

If Buck platoons Baty and Vientos and just keeps playing Pham and Vogelbach then having them up here is just a waste.
I'd prefer that Mauricio stick at Triple A until September honestly.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 7:04 pm : link
His game is indeed raw, as Zgiants pointed out. Let him work on defense. If he stink in the OF, then so be it. Let him play there and improve on occasion. If he continues to stink, then DH/2B it is.
RE: This is annoying..  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16118687 moze1021 said:
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Pham in lineup..no Baty..

Just stupid.

I don't care if it's a lefty.

If Buck platoons Baty and Vientos and just keeps playing Pham and Vogelbach then having them up here is just a waste.


Buck is pissed at this whole thing. This lineup proves it.
Anyone want to guess how many games  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:09 pm : link
Pete started batting 7th, 8th, or 9th in his rookie season?
RE: Anyone want to guess how many games  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 7:26 pm : link
In comment 16118693 moze1021 said:
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Pete started batting 7th, 8th, or 9th in his rookie season?


0

In his MLB debut he batted 2nd in the order.
RE: The weird thing about the Mets organization  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/17/2023 7:47 pm : link
In comment 16118678 Vanzetti said:
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Vientos CANNOT play the OF!!!But Dom Smith did. Kevin Mitchell did. Dave Kingman did. Hell, even Todd Hundley did.

Vientos can play LF. Because anybody can play LF.

You clearly have a memory block on the Todd Hundley outfield adventure.
Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:00 pm : link
It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?
vientos' ground out was 99 mph  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:01 pm : link
petes gidp was 108 with a 440 xba.

marte and canha now both lower ops' than escobar. pham almost 100 points higher than marte and also gaining ground quickly on canha.
RE: Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16118705 Optimus-NY said:
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It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?


we would have seen him only when nido had the eye issue. alvarez is still young so his promotion wasnt a no brainer until injury. once he was up it was a no brainer to play him more than they did at the time though.
RE: RE: Question for the panel while we watch the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16118708 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16118705 Optimus-NY said:


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It's hypothetical.

If Narvaez had not gotten hurt, when would we have seen Alvarez? Do you think he would have been called up by now?



we would have seen him only when nido had the eye issue. alvarez is still young so his promotion wasnt a no brainer until injury. once he was up it was a no brainer to play him more than they did at the time though.


Thanks E. That makes sense. Does Nidon't have any options remaining?
no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:13 pm : link
pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.
Nice job by Marte going the other way.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:15 pm : link
Canha's got to have a good at bat here.
Senga breaking out tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:21 pm : link
against the best offense in baseball. Let's score some damn runs!
RE: no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16118713 Eric on Li said:
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pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.


Thanks Eric. So what happens to Nido once he's back and Narvaez returns some time in June? They can't possibly send Alvy down now? Nido would have to go.
107.5 on that ground out by vientos  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:25 pm : link
he and alonso have all 4 of the mets hard hit balls. that one had a .380 xba.
RE: RE: no they extended him cheaply in the offseason but no options  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16118716 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16118713 Eric on Li said:


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pete's line drive was anohter 99mph, xba 380. some bad luck so far for him in this one.

on that walk i think pham has a higher OPS than our starting corners.



Thanks Eric. So what happens to Nido once he's back and Narvaez returns some time in June? They can't possibly send Alvy down now? Nido would have to go.


that's the question. they said they are going to take it slow with nidos rehab and narvaez is still several weeks away so i think it depends on how alvarez plays. if he hits more he will stay up if he hits less probably goes down. stays the same who knows? seems somewhat telling they hit vientos in front of him day 1.

nido's salary is just high enough he may not get claimed if they try to send him down. especially with the eye issue.

sanchez adds another wrinkle if he comes up for perez and plays well in the few weeks before nido/narvaez get back.
The catching situation is definitely interesting  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:29 pm : link
It would be appalling to send Alvarez back down. Especially, with how well he's handled the pitching staff. Sanchez needs to be activated by Friday. Perez and Nido are almost assuredly gone soon. Perez probably demoted and Nido DFA'd. I guess the best they can hope for is for Sanchez to look decent so they can flip him to another team before Narvaez returns.
the only reason alvarez should go down is if he gets outhit clearly  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:38 pm : link
nido can't do that but narvaez and/or sanchez could.

right now alvarez' defense has been very good but his offense has not been good. his avg exit velocity is 85 mph, his xba is .195, his xslg% is .308. he is k'ing 29% walking 8%.

remember in AAA he only had 16 at bats and 4 hits this year. last year on the season he hit .234 at AAA in 45 games. he's 2 full years younger than baty/vientos.

he should get every chance to prove himself on the strong side for the next few weeks and he should get the strong side until narvaez outplays him. if sanchez comes up and hits or if alvarez slumps worse there may be a viable reason to send him down. i dont think there's a clear answer on what's best for him or the team yet.
Hell yeah Senga  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:39 pm : link
Great outing!!
really quality outing from senga against the hottest offense in mlb  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:40 pm : link
this is something to build on for him. would be something for the team to build on if they could string some hits together.
senga game score of 71 is the 3rd best on the season to  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:43 pm : link
luchessi against sfg (76) and verlander against cincy (74).
mcneil adds the 5th hard hit ball on the game - all 5 are outs so far  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:46 pm : link
that one had a .300 xba so not as big of a robbery as it looked at first glance. but that's 3 hard hit balls with a greater than 30% chance of being hits all converted to outs by tampa.
and we're pinch hitting vogelbach against a lhp w/ tying run on 2nd  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:49 pm : link
at least they are getting diekman's 9 era out of the game.

vogelsnack currently hitting .000 vs lhp on the year (0/7, 3ks).
Horrible move  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:51 pm : link
Should have been Baty there. Yikes.
and vogelbach takes strike 3 down the middle k'd on 3 pitches  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:52 pm : link
but hey that was the best illustration yet of the downside of their over-platoon strategy.

tomorrow's lineup pls and ty:

Nimmo, Lindor, McNeil, Alonso, Baty, Vientos, Marte, Canha, Alvarez
siri show me why you never hit vogelbach vs a lefty  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 8:55 pm : link
this was really a 4 pitch strike out.

RE: Horrible move  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16118732 ZGiants98 said:
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Should have been Baty there. Yikes.


Don't be ridiculous..

Why would you use the MORE talented player?
in FL, so watching Tampa’s feed  
KDavies : 5/17/2023 8:58 pm : link
the annnouncers pointed out on the Raley K just now what a good job Alvarez did on framing that one. It was a low pitch and he had his glove above it and pulled it up. Got a strike. Interesting to see another team’s announcers perspective on his D
Well cant win if you cant hit  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 8:59 pm : link
This is absolutely pathetic.
He did it!  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
WOW!
Tie!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
Vientos!!!
Let's gooooo!!!  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
That one's for you Eric!!
Bang!!!  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/17/2023 9:08 pm : link
.
Buck sure looked thrilled....  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
lol
VIENTOS!!!  
Section331 : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
I guess that guarantees him a spot on the bench tomorrow. 😄
hey good thing they called up mark vientos  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:09 pm : link
3 batted balls, all 3 hard hit, 2 over 103 mph.
RE: Buck sure looked thrilled....  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/17/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16118747 Optimus-NY said:
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lol


I saw the same thing
RE: VIENTOS!!!  
speedywheels : 5/17/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16118748 Section331 said:
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I guess that guarantees him a spot on the bench tomorrow. 😄


Sadly, you’re probably right….
turn in tomorrow's lineup card right now  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 9:11 pm : link
1. nimmo
2. lindor
3. mcneil
4. alonso
5. baty
6. vientos
7. surrendered out
8. surrendered out
9. alvarez
I thought there was a writers strike  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 9:11 pm : link
Vientos story arch has gone perfectly so far
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