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NFT: Rays at Mets Game 2. Senga

ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 6:35 pm
Mets Lineup

1.). Nimmo CF
2.) Escobar 2B
3.) Lindor SS
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Pham DH
6.) Marte RF
7.) Canha LF
8.) Vientos DH
9.) Alvarez C

Vientos season debut. LG optioned to AAA. LGM!
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OMG WHAT A GAME!!  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
WOW
Pete!!!!  
GF1080 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
Polar bear!!!
OMG!  
Dennis : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
alonso! Mets win!
Let's goooo!!!!  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:21 pm : link
What a win!!

YES!!!
This may be a turning point  
KDavies : 5/17/2023 10:22 pm : link
game in the season. Wow!
Holy shit  
JayBinQueens : 5/17/2023 10:22 pm : link
He crushed that
Wow!  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:23 pm : link
He hit that fucker into the night
If Baty can play OF  
Metnut : 5/17/2023 10:24 pm : link
it’ll give our lineup a lot flexibility.

Huge win tonight. Hopefully a turning point.
That's one of the craziest games Ive ever seen  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:24 pm : link
And I was at the 8 run comeback against the Braves in 2000.
RE: If Baty can play OF  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16118838 Metnut said:
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it’ll give our lineup a lot flexibility.

Huge win tonight. Hopefully a turning point.


He's supposedly a better LF than 3B.
Bring up Mauricio!!!  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
Let's just run with the kids
LFGM  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:25 pm : link
!!!
every run came off the long ball  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:26 pm : link
obviously you cant rely exclusively on homers or young guys but you need to give talent a chance.

1-7 going forward for the next month has to be some combo of the top 4 and the 3 kids.

go out and win the series against the best team in baseball tomorrow - with the 3 kids in the lineup - and then go from there.
by the way vientos looked decent at 3b  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:28 pm : link
he's a big guy so he's never going to be graceful but he looked a little better than jdd ever looked and he's turned himself into a real 3b.
Im fine with giving him a bit more seasoning  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:30 pm : link
But I want Mauricio up in the second half as well. Make Canha the 4th OF and get rid of Pham.
The kids are going to offer some flexibility...  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
Ideally Mauricio ends up at 2B, Baty 3B, Vientos DH, and Alvarez C. But...

Baty LF/3B
Mauricio 3B/SS/2B
Vientos 3B, 1B, DH
Alvarez C, DH

Definitely could pay dividends later.
NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK  
spike : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
2023 Mets!
What a win!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:32 pm : link
Put it in the books!



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mlb.com Game Story - ( New Window )
Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/17/2023 10:33 pm : link
I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...
RE: This may be a turning point  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16118834 KDavies said:
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game in the season. Wow!


Let's hope so!
RE: Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 10:42 pm : link
In comment 16118850 Rob in Rockaway said:
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I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...


im with you, exit velocity on every at bat is new and i was also surprised to see a number like that on a ball that looked like a ho-hum fly ball. clearly he's got a lot of juice in his bat and that could translate to making a real big impact.
Shake up the whole lineup  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:43 pm : link
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF


Buck was talking about how sick Pete was today.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:44 pm : link
He toughed it out. Happy he did.
RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2023 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF



Lindor should be 7th or 8th. No way a guy with OBP of .300 should be batting 2nd
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16118855 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF





Lindor should be 7th or 8th. No way a guy with OBP of .300 should be batting 2nd


Yeah. Good luck with that. The 363 million dollar man aint batting 8th.
Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 10:51 pm : link
He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).
RE: Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
ZGiants98 : 5/17/2023 10:53 pm : link
In comment 16118858 Optimus-NY said:
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He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).


Perez at C, Alvarez at DH, Vientos at 1B would be pretty sweet. Give Alonso a blow.
RE: RE: Fantastic win and I really don't want to distract from that but  
moze1021 : 5/17/2023 10:54 pm : link
In comment 16118852 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16118850 Rob in Rockaway said:


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I kind of associate high exit velocity with a hard hit ball, and I've never associated a pop-up to short CF with a hard hit ball. You're mileage varies obviously. All good...



im with you, exit velocity on every at bat is new and i was also surprised to see a number like that on a ball that looked like a ho-hum fly ball. clearly he's got a lot of juice in his bat and that could translate to making a real big impact.


Yeah I agree...but that ball was sky high.


One thing that doesn't make sense to me is how Pets projected distance was shorter than Alvarez.. ball actually went further in the stadium and had a much higher exit velocity. I see Acuna hitting like 460 foot HRs.. how was Petes only 416?
RE: RE: Pete's being interviewed now in front of his locker.  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16118859 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 16118858 Optimus-NY said:


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He looks visibly tired and has got the sniffles. I wonder if he starts tomorrow at 1B in ehat will be an early game (1:10 pm start ET).



Perez at C, Alvarez at DH, Vientos at 1B would be pretty sweet. Give Alonso a blow.


Sounds about right. Here are tomorrow's starting pitchers:



mlb.com Probable Starting Pitchers - May 18th, 2023 - Rays at Mets - 1:10 pm ET


mlb.com Gameday Preview for May 18th, 2023 - Rays at Mets - ( New Window )
Do the victory dance with Paige Spiranac!  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:05 pm : link
vientos being able to give pete days off at first could be big  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:08 pm : link
pete's numbers at dh speak for themselves. buck said he's been sick the last few days and probably shouldnt be playing, which has no doubt happened a lot the last few years but they cant score without him so he can never sit.

time to take the training wheels off and fully invest in the kids. vogey, pham, escobar, canha, marte can play for the final 2 spots and earn their at bats.

and remember tonight a month from now when there's a legitimate reason to consider promoting mauricio. or who knows maybe even tomorrow if marte needs an IL trip. you know when i wouldnt mind vogey at dh? when this is the lineup vs a rhp:

nimmo
lindor
mcneil rf
pete
vientos 3b
baty lf
alvarez
vogey dh
mauricio 2b

hopefully marte/canha get it together but theres a chance they dont.

and next year we may need dh for our ace.
RE: vientos being able to give pete days off at first could be big  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16118871 Eric on Li said:
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pete's numbers at dh speak for themselves. buck said he's been sick the last few days and probably shouldnt be playing, which has no doubt happened a lot the last few years but they cant score without him so he can never sit.

time to take the training wheels off and fully invest in the kids. vogey, pham, escobar, canha, marte can play for the final 2 spots and earn their at bats.

and remember tonight a month from now when there's a legitimate reason to consider promoting mauricio. or who knows maybe even tomorrow if marte needs an IL trip. you know when i wouldnt mind vogey at dh? when this is the lineup vs a rhp:

nimmo
lindor
mcneil rf
pete
vientos 3b
baty lf
alvarez
vogey dh
mauricio 2b

hopefully marte/canha get it together but theres a chance they dont.

and next year we may need dh for our ace.


Don't forget about Nidon't. He belongs on that list of players fighting it out for the last few roster spots. Mets are gonna need to make some trades, of for no other reason other than addition by subtraction. I think they could get something in return for Vogelbach. Nothing like they gave up of course, but something still. Nidon't and Mehscobar are a different kettle of fish, but maybe something for Escobar if they eat some of his salary.
Nido is likely going to get DFA'd  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:39 pm : link
im not even sure he's going to get a chance unless narvaez has a setback or someone else gets injured.

not trying to make too much of 1 game/1 homer but the way alvarez threw the ball that entire game and the reality of where his body of work is, plus the homers that will presumably start coming with more frequency, i just dont see him going back down again unless he totally falls on his face.
RE: Nido is likely going to get DFA'd  
Optimus-NY : 5/17/2023 11:49 pm : link
In comment 16118876 Eric on Li said:
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im not even sure he's going to get a chance unless narvaez has a setback or someone else gets injured.

not trying to make too much of 1 game/1 homer but the way alvarez threw the ball that entire game and the reality of where his body of work is, plus the homers that will presumably start coming with more frequency, i just dont see him going back down again unless he totally falls on his face.


Yup, re: Alvy. Nidon't can take a hike for all anyone cares. DFA his @$$. Good riddance.
some really good clubhouse quotes tonight  
Eric on Li : 5/17/2023 11:49 pm : link
great quotes from alvarez and vientos:

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Heading into his at-bat in the bottom of the 9th inning, Francisco Álvarez thought back to his appearance against Josh Hader earlier this season and vowed to perform better this time up


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"I'm really proud that they're here with me to experience this. It's a different type of support...since I've been with them, it's been special."

Francisco Álvarez on what it means to play alongside Mark Vientos and Brett Baty in the majors


this doesnt feel like a win as much as the beginning of a new era.
"We grew up through the system with each other. We're basically brothers." Mark Vientos on playing with Brett Baty and Francisco Álvarez - ( New Window )
RE: some really good clubhouse quotes tonight  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 9:44 am : link
In comment 16118879 Eric on Li said:
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this doesnt feel like a win as much as the beginning of a new era.


Great point! I really feel this as well.

Really hope these guys do indeed feed off each other. Now put them in spots in the lineup where they can do more damage!
RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Metnut : 5/18/2023 10:04 am : link
In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF



I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.
Mets need Marte to get it going  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 10:21 am : link
It's such a huge key in all these scenarios..

He still passes the eye test to me.
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 10:41 am : link
In comment 16118950 Metnut said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF





I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.


There's a bit too much of a roster crunch going on at the moment. We very well might see that later on this season, but I think it'll have to wait at least month or so until after the catcher situation sorts itself out. By then, both Nido and Narvaez will have returned and a decision would have been made about who's going where. Sanchez and Perez will hold the fort for another week or so until Nidon't returns---expect Sanchez to be up tomorrow for Perez.

The Mets won't carry three catchers. Either Alvy goes down (doubtful at this point) OR Nidon't gets traded or DFAd once Narvaez comes back in early to mid June. Then it's a matter of what to do with Vogey and Escobar. Keep in mind that Luis G in a holding pattern at Triple A Syracuse now. Canha or Pham might be trade candidates as well. It's not a simple fix anymore.
No  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:26 am : link
Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck
RE: RE: Shake up the whole lineup  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:26 am : link
In comment 16118950 Metnut said:
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In comment 16118853 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Nimmo CF
2ientos DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Alvarez C
8.) Canha LF
9.) Marte RF.) Lindor SS
3.) Baty 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) V





I like it, but I'd like it even more if we call up Mauricio. Play him at 2B, move Mcneil to LF and let Canha be first guy off the bench.


I think McNeil is too good a hitter to be hitting that low. I think McNeil is the ideal 2-hole hitter (with righty starting pitcher).

Here's what I'd like to see:
VS. LHP

1. Nimmo CF
2. Marte RF
3. Lindor SS - *Struggling this year, but does have .891 OPS vs LHP in 2023
4. Alonso 1B/DH
5. McNeil 2B
6. Vientos DH/1B/3B
7. Canha/Pham LF
8. Alvarez C
9. Baty/Escobar 3B/DH


Vs Righties:

1. Nimmo CF
2. McNeil 2B
3. Vientos 3B/DH (I'm trusting what my eyes tell me)
4. Alonso 1B
5. Baty 3B/LF
6. Lindor SS
7. Vogelbach DH / Canha LF when Baty at 3B and Vientos at DH
8. Alvarez C
9. Marte RF

May seem strange with Vientos hitting 6th vs lefties and 3rd vs righties...but I love Vientos hitting behind McNeil, and I love his RBI potential vs any pitching. Lindor is too good to continue to struggle against right-handed pitching. After Baty hitting 5, I like how the lineup sets up against RHP with Lindor-Vogey-Alvarez... can see Alvarez getting a lot of opportunities to drive in runs, and then Marte having an opportunity to be that turn lead-off guy at the 9-hole.

There's no way we're going to see the young guys high up in the order any time soon, but if I'm making a prediction, it's that Vientos is going to eventually be one of the most feared 3-hole hitters in baseball.

RE: No  
Mike in NY : 5/18/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16119016 DanMetroMan said:
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Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck


Who needs players who can actually play?
RE: No  
GF1080 : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16119016 DanMetroMan said:
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Vientos today... wow lol Buck loves being Buck


No way! I'm really getting sick of this guy.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
No Vientos today is truly ridiculous. I'll take @mets
at their word that Alvarez is dinged (and I'm sure he's tired) but Vientos? WTF Buck?
Checking in on the farm  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:29 am : link
Mauricio playing 2B last night...2-4 with a double. Continues to rake. OPS 1.010, BA up to .358. Wow.

Dirty Sanchez 1-2, and HBP twice.

Boring  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:33 am : link
day on the farm so I didn't bother with a full summary but-

Tidwell continues to struggle with his command... an understatement

Jett the Met on base twice yesterday, also collected his 9th SB

another rough outing for Atencio. He’s been a sleeper for many of us since before last season. Era now stands at 11.09. I could see him sent to the complete league next month if he doesn’t turn it around

Parada went 1-for-4 with a 2B and HBP
Yeah so righty pitcher on the mound  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 11:35 am : link
in Taj Bradley, and Buck is going to bench Vientos in favor of Vogey, even though Vientos just hit a game-tying homerun off a RHP last night and has a 1.129 OPS vs righties at AAA this year.

Fucking genius.

How long is it going to take Buck to understand Vientos is not a platoon hitter?
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:38 am : link
warned some of you guys about this yesterday. I don't think Buck is going to play Vientos anywhere near "every day" unless his hand is truly forced.
Fuck Showalter at this point  
BigBlue7 : 5/18/2023 11:40 am : link
His resume be damned, I can't stand the guy anymore
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DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 11:43 am : link
"Vogelbach is a pretty good option too"

Buck Showalter on why Mark Vientos is not in the lineup today for the Mets:
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