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Is scary bad.

I just sense that if we can pull out today's game we will go on a roll

Frankly, we looked at each other several times and said....should we leave (No faith in the team) it was cold and no juice in the ballpark. Needless to say we were thrilled we stayed.

I did not check the attendance but it was scarce last night, and by the time we won the game there might have been 7000 people in the stands

Eric may need to order extra hamsters if they send him back down one of these days.

In comment 16119065 HewlettGiant said:

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Frankly, we looked at each other several times and said....should we leave (No faith in the team) it was cold and no juice in the ballpark. Needless to say we were thrilled we stayed. I did not check the attendance but it was scarce last night, and by the time we won the game there might have been 7000 people in the stands

I'm glad you guys stayed. It was a great game!! Hope you two had a fun time :-)

Kill all momentum.
6 through 9 should be playing elsewhere.

I know I'm not the only one who noticed that. Another poster said the same thing when it happened. Buck's got a bug up his backside regarding these younguns for some very odd reason. He needs to be put in check, otherwise he might need to be relieved of his duties.

meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas?

apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...

Pham, Vogelback, and Esco everyday. They look horrible and at minimum you are holding back the future.

[url=https://www.amazinavenue.com/2023/5/18/23728454/mets-rays-lineups-open-thread-051823-megill-bradley]Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23:
The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT[/url]

Morning Briefing: Mark Vientos Promotion Makes Immediate Impact - By Mojo Hill | Updated: May 18, 2023

The Kids Give Mets Much-Needed Power Boost - By Dan Quiñones - Updated: May 18, 2023

Senga Strikes Out 12 Rays With Family at Citi Field - By Michael Mayer | Updated: May 18, 2023

Mets Minors Recap: Ronny Mauricio Collects Two More Hits - By Ricky Keeler | Updated: May 18, 2023

A dozen ghosts, two homers from the kids, and a Polar Bear walk-off: Kodai Senga was brilliant, fanning a dozen Rays batters and the Mets came from behind on three different occasions to notch the most exciting win of the 2023 season thus far. - By Allison McCague | @PetitePhD | May 17, 2023 | 10:49pm EDT

Here it is:

Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23: The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT

In comment 16119076 DanMetroMan said:

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apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...

Wow. This is beginning to sound like something fishy is brewing. What kind of message is Buck trying to send and to whom exactly?

Seidler about Wilfredo Lara, a guy who I know NOTHING about who is off to a good start

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he got flagged for me last year as having decent (not great, but decent) batted ball data in the complex last year despite the meh slash. This year a ton of hard contact in the air but his chase is way way way too high"

In comment 16119061 HewlettGiant said:

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Is scary bad. I just sense that if we can pull out today's game we will go on a roll

We won't get on a roll. Buck will see to that. Winning isn't his priority. It's more about him than it is the actual success of the team at this point with his decision-making.

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MMO Game Thread: Rays vs Mets, 1:10 PM - By Elliot Teichman | Updated: May 18, 2023

Here's one I posted above, but it fits better here:

Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23 | The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT

The game thread comments are funny to follow. Basically echoing what we're all saying, only it's nicer here. Those two threads can become zoos IMO.

In comment 16119076 DanMetroMan said:

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apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...

Here I thought you should just try to play the best lineup you can that gives you the best chance to win. Silly me.

Be benched today. Welcome to playing 2-3 games a week

that only one guy can play 3B at a time and that we knew this would be an issue if he (Vientos) came up.

Give me a break. Seems like he was against calling him up and is being petty. Play him at DH most days and give him occasional starts at 1B (with Alonso DHing) and 3B.

Alonso is sick as a dog and its a day game after an extra inning night game. Maybe DHing Alonso for a day is the best thing for him and the team.

Angels @ Orioles:

O's in the first against LHP Tyler Anderson, our old friend James McCann, inexplicably batting in the 5-hole, at bat with only 1-out and the bases loaded, and strikes out. Ah, the memories. Anderson gets out of the jam a batter later on a McKenna fly out to preserve the 1-0 Angels lead.

You just knew neither of the rookies was going to play after their heroics last night

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Angels @ Orioles: O's in the first against LHP Tyler Anderson, our old friend James McCann, inexplicably batting in the 5-hole, at bat with only 1-out and the bases loaded, and strikes out. Ah, the memories. Anderson gets out of the jam a batter later on a McKenna fly out to preserve the 1-0 Angels lead.

Maybe McCan't and Nidon't can be reunited soon, lol.

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that only one guy can play 3B at a time and that we knew this would be an issue if he (Vientos) came up.

Wow. If they continue to lose because of this nonsense, then he needs to go.

If Eppler is either standing in the way of playing the kids or unwilling to give Buck a mandate, he needs to go as well.

Sometimes, decisions are easy. Vientos is and has been an easy decision. Playing the players that have given your listless lineup virtually the only spark they've had over the past month, is an easy decision.

To go another direction is rigid to a fault, to put it extremely mildly.

In comment 16119075 slov72 said:

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meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas?

Just completely loses his command at times. Falls behind and then has to come over the plate. He is a ground all pitcher and he has already given up a ton of HRs per 9.

Also think Mets made a mistake sending him down. Should have made him a long man in the pen. He suffers from lack of confidence . Going back to the minors yet again did not help

Plus the guys they favored over him, like Leone, completely suck

Wow.

How can this be possible!?

He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again?

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In comment 16119116 Eric on Li said:

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He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again?

Buck obviously endorsed the Pham signing and is now trying to justify it by giving him playing time he does not deserve.

After the Joc episode, Pham was not getting a contract from anybody other than may be a minor league deal..

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In comment 16119121 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 16119116 Eric on Li said: Quote: He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again? Buck obviously endorsed the Pham signing and is now trying to justify it by giving him playing time he does not deserve. After the Joc episode, Pham was not getting a contract from anybody other than may be a minor league deal..

Makes sense. It's all about saving face and justifying their egos. Winning is not the primary objective. The Mets need a sense of urgency now. Buck won't provide that either since it's a "long season."

It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game.

of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.

He should be the captain. His head is always in the game.

In comment 16119114 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 16119075 slov72 said: Quote: meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas? Just completely loses his command at times. Falls behind and then has to come over the plate. He is a ground all pitcher and he has already given up a ton of HRs per 9. Also think Mets made a mistake sending him down. Should have made him a long man in the pen. He suffers from lack of confidence . Going back to the minors yet again did not help Plus the guys they favored over him, like Leone, completely suck

Interestingly his groundball rate is actually up slightly this year, and his walk rate and strike throwing are similar to last year, the HR/9 is up huge, but its not reflected in the peripherals (hard hit rate, barrels, exit velocity), I really do think, looking at his deep numbers that he has the "stuff" to be a dynamic LHP but it must be mental make up, when he gets in trouble it just snowballs I guess.

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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.

Obviously, because our current DHs are killing it....

In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:

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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.

Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave.

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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players. Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave.

It's all ego-driven. Disgusting.

for starting him and batting him 6th....

In comment 16119131 Optimus-NY said:

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It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game.

I just started watching and not able to follow what you are implying here.. can you expand?

In comment 16119153 moze1021 said:

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In comment 16119131 Optimus-NY said: Quote: It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game. I just started watching and not able to follow what you are implying here.. can you expand?

I thought it was something about Buck not embracing change.

In comment 16119147 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 16119140 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players. Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave. It's all ego-driven. Disgusting.

Even when he does play them, he's putting them lower in the order than less talented hitters (like Pham, Canha)..

Pete Alonso has NEVER started a game hitting 7th, 8th, or 9th in the order.

In his rookie season he started 153 games and in all but 1 game he was 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in the lineup, and even that 1 start was hitting 5th.

Buck needs an intervention from Uncle Steve.

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Keith is right. Should have bene ball 4. Instead it was a strike followed up by a double play ball.

Vogelbach being kept and giving chances on roster is fireable offense for both Eppler and Buck. At some point Phams ability to play OF becomes a useless excuse too except dumbo GM gave him 6m guaranteed!

We are also seeing the ugly side of Buck and why you can guarantee he won’t still be manager here in 2025. This season goes off the rails it’s not all that much of crazy talk to see change made this off-season.

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Mathew Brownstein @MBrownstein89 · 17m Tommy Pham with RISP this season: 2-for-17 (.118), 7 strikeouts @Metsmerized #Mets

Will any members of the media call out or challenge Buck on his decision-making?

In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:

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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.

I agree but I will say this

I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position.

In comment 16119177 Rory said:

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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players. I agree but I will say this I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position.

So the logic is that it's better to not have them in the game at all vs get the experience of DH?

In comment 16119178 moze1021 said:

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In comment 16119177 Rory said: Quote: In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players. I agree but I will say this I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position. So the logic is that it's better to not have them in the game at all vs get the experience of DH?

So you keep marching up trash instead of letting a rookie get swings?
Major league at bats are major league at bats

In comment 16119177 Rory said:

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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players. I agree but I will say this I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position.

So play them in LF and 3B. Even if this was a valid reason (it’s not) there’s a simple solution.

The levels of stupidity they are willing to go to on these lineup constructions tell us all we need to know and there is no justification. They are wrong. They have been wrong for weeks if not months if not for an entire year on Vientos. This wasn’t 1 lucky homer, he averaged 93mph exit velo in his half assed role last year, had 3 balls over 100 in his first game up, hit a game tying homer in what to that point was a shut out and the biggest win of the year.

If he didn’t play yesterday do they win their biggest win of the year? Has tommy Pham helped them win a game all year in like 20 starts?

wouldn't it be nice to have another RH hitter with that kind of power in the lineup today?

Low upside move but I expect teams to check in on Michael Lorenzen. 3.80 FIP in 2023 averaging nearly 6 innings per start. FA after the season

I was today years old when I learned the old school gold glove award "trophies" were real gloves painted gold... thats pretty cool...

In comment 16119185 moze1021 said:

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wouldn't it be nice to have another RH hitter with that kind of power in the lineup today?

All good we have phamtom of the pop up and voeyeurbach watching Pete’s 6.

In comment 16119189 DanMetroMan said:

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Low upside move but I expect teams to check in on Michael Lorenzen. 3.80 FIP in 2023 averaging nearly 6 innings per start. FA after the season

Giolito please

And Aroldis Chapman

Need to chant "Mark VEE-EN-TOSE" EVERY HOME GAME.

Followed by: "FIRE BUCK"

Loudly.

If Vientos truly gets platooned with Baty, then this is a fire-able offense, IMO.

Cohen needs to hear it loud.

Can’t watch live today.

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Can’t watch live today.

Throwing strikes and getting weak contact... looks solid.

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In comment 16119189 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Low upside move but I expect teams to check in on Michael Lorenzen. 3.80 FIP in 2023 averaging nearly 6 innings per start. FA after the season Giolito please And Aroldis Chapman

I'd be surprised if the Mets go after Chapman with his domestic violence stuff (also quit in the Yankees last season

"Yankees reliever Aroldis Chapman has been ruled out for the American League Division Series after he skipped a mandatory workout, leading to a fine and likely ending the All-Star's seven-year tenure with New York"


I could be wrong

Same number Vientos had in game 1.

The 4 are Alonso, Nimmo, Lindor, baty.

Almost like ev correlates with who the good hitters are. Bottom of the lineup is 1/8 a day after it hit 2 game tying homers to get team to extras.

Those now unnamed "markers" he talked so much about in spring start to make sense. Playing one or multiple positions. They just don't see Vientos having much value as a DH.

Why? Who knows. I don't understand what either of them are doing anymore.

has looked solid but the weak contact, meh. 3 balls have been hit 102+ and 6 95+. Bradley for comparisons sake has allowed 3 95+. Obviously I'll take this Megill performance each time out.

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Can’t watch live today.

He looks good and is pitching in rhythm. Locating well today.

In comment 16119204 Eric on Li said:

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Same number Vientos had in game 1. The 4 are Alonso, Nimmo, Lindor, baty. Almost like ev correlates with who the good hitters are. Bottom of the lineup is 1/8 a day after it hit 2 game tying homers to get team to extras.

Don't worry, Nido's eyes have been corrected and is expected back within days...

Perez dominant again.

In comment 16119206 moespree said:

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Those now unnamed "markers" he talked so much about in spring start to make sense. Playing one or multiple positions. They just don't see Vientos having much value as a DH. Why? Who knows. I don't understand what either of them are doing anymore.

They're the problem, not Vientos. Buck might not be here next year at this rate. Hire Stearns or Cherington this off-season. Eppler can go recruit Ohtani and then go back to being locked up in a room with typewriters and other archaic automata.

In comment 16119210 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16119204 Eric on Li said: Quote: Same number Vientos had in game 1. The 4 are Alonso, Nimmo, Lindor, baty. Almost like ev correlates with who the good hitters are. Bottom of the lineup is 1/8 a day after it hit 2 game tying homers to get team to extras. Don't worry, Nido's eyes have been corrected and is expected back within days...

Nobody else will say it but I will, we need to reinstate the Alderson sandwich.

Eury Perez, making his 2nd MLB start, just removed to start the 6th inning after 78 pitches (48 strikes). His line: 5 IP, 3 H, 6 K, 1 BB, 1 ER (solo HR allowed).

Another really strong start for the phenom. Other than getting touched by the long ball, he has been pretty impressive. Right now he's in line for the Win as Miami leads 3-1 going to bottom of the 6th.

In comment 16119210 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 16119204 Eric on Li said: Quote: Same number Vientos had in game 1. The 4 are Alonso, Nimmo, Lindor, baty. Almost like ev correlates with who the good hitters are. Bottom of the lineup is 1/8 a day after it hit 2 game tying homers to get team to extras. Don't worry, Nido's eyes have been corrected and is expected back within days...

AND he hits better than Nidon't. What's the point of having Nidon't on this roster again? They may as well DFA him now. Start making examples of these vets who can't cut it.

The Sanchize is 1-4 with a BB and K for @SyracuseMets, Mauricio 0-4, BB, K #Mets

-79 pitches (48 strikes)
-21 batters faced
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Would be nice to get him the win today if the Mets can score in the 6th. I'd be afraid of bringing him back for the 7th. He seems to peter off after 80 pitches. The way he's going today, I'd risk it, but the pen needs to be ready.

that Pham runs out for an infield single, scoring McNeil from 3rd for the RBI.

Obviously, Buck is a genius. /sarcasm

An infield hit but it's something.

wouldn't bring him in for the 7th. He's a 5 inning guy and his command was already wonky in the 6th. He did a commendable job vs. the best team in baseball but 8 HH balls. Be happy with what he gave and pull him.

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wouldn't bring him in for the 7th. He's a 5 inning guy and his command was already wonky in the 6th. He did a commendable job vs. the best team in baseball but 8 HH balls. Be happy with what he gave and pull him.

True dat. I know I was tempting fate there, lol. Raley is throwing in the pen now anyway.

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An infield hit but it's something.

Phantom of the dribbler, lol! But I'll take it anyway.

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wouldn't bring him in for the 7th. He's a 5 inning guy and his command was already wonky in the 6th. He did a commendable job vs. the best team in baseball but 8 HH balls. Be happy with what he gave and pull him.

Not watching but tampas xba is .305 (Mets is .225) so it would seem like they got a little luck. Hopefully bp can get through it.

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are the best team in baseball for a reason (and have a few more absolute studs on the way) so HH balls are to be expected but don't try to get blood out of a stone. Good job Megill, hope he builds on it.

In comment 16119189 DanMetroMan said:

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Low upside move but I expect teams to check in on Michael Lorenzen. 3.80 FIP in 2023 averaging nearly 6 innings per start. FA after the season

I know he's been struggling but has had always had potential but what's your thoughts on Jack Flaherty

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Buck after game: "That was a veteran AB there, getting the ball in play..and using his speed to try and keep us going. Just what we needed"

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In comment 16119189 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Low upside move but I expect teams to check in on Michael Lorenzen. 3.80 FIP in 2023 averaging nearly 6 innings per start. FA after the season I know he's been struggling but has had always had potential but what's your thoughts on Jack Flaherty

He was outstanding last outing... which of course makes it less likely he'd be moved. St. Louis is suddenly playing well so I have feeling they hold onto both he and Montgomery. That being said, they should have their eyes on all potential SPing.

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10/10 no notes.

Now lets get some good starts from Cookie, Max, and JV and win another series.

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Mets need to get to .500 and pass the Marlins for 2nd place in the division. Continue to get better starting pitching.


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Would like to see the media challenge him instead of suck up to him.

Hopefully Cookie doesn't spit the bit like he usually does.


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so just saw Optimus post. Pretty shocked that we're somehow a game ahead of the Phillies despite everything that's happened.

The only team ahead of them now are the Marlins. The Mets' biggest enemies are themselves at this point (I mean management and Buck). Play and support the kids because they provide the team with the best chance to win. This isn't the time for ego trips or insecurity.


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To be sitting only 6 back of Atlanta right now with all that has happened is pretty fortuitous. That said, I’m still going to be looking wildcard with this team rather than the division. That’s where my expectations are at the moment.

In comment 16119273 Optimus-NY said:

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Would like to see the media challenge him instead of suck up to him.

And??

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In comment 16119273 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Would like to see the media challenge him instead of suck up to him. And??

A fistful of Nothin'. Buck gave his usual side stories while basically saying nothing.

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In comment 16119273 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Would like to see the media challenge him instead of suck up to him. And??

He said something super corny about the common cold. I think he said, "Do you realize there’s never been a cure for the cold?” to the reporters. He also said that the breaks finally seem to be going the Mets' way.

Coming up. Puke.

funniest thing is that it's basically an acknowledgement that yesterday's lineup was pre designed with the intent of putting in a whole new group today regardless of what happened yesterday, AND he considered pinch hitting for vientos against a righty (presumably during the at bat he hit the home run or the at bat after that lol).

you can tell how snippy he is about this subject. like it's blasphemy to question why a guy who came up and hit a huge homer in his first game isn't playing the next day.

if Sanchez hits like he did 4 years ago, fine, but if they carry vets just because they are vets over the kids and they aren't hitting then stearns needs to clean house when he arrives.

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Omar Narvaez (calf injury) is expected back in about three weeks, which could be ahead of Nido. The way the Mets think of it, Narvaez’s roster spot is secure, and the front office and manager Buck Showalter would decide in the short term between Sanchez and Alvarez. Alvarez is batting just .218 with a .274 on-base percentage, including .167 in his past seven games, but has impressed veterans and coaches with his energy, work ethic and pitch-framing. But he does have options, meaning that he can be sent to the minor leagues without losing him — and the same can’t be said for Sanchez or Nido. Perhaps Alvarez will build on his dramatic home run Wednesday and hit enough to force his continued presence on the roster. The situation could become particularly complicated when Nido returns. The team continues to value his defense highly, and believes that he is a better hitter than he showed this year while dealing with the vision issue. The choice between Nido and Sanchez, if it comes to that, would have to come down to health and performance when the time comes.

the only positive i see in all that is that alvarez should have 2-3 weeks to take the decision out of anyone else's hands by continuing to build on his success.

should be the DH most of the time.

Hitting like he did 4 years ago is unlikely. He's also the worst defensive C in the game. How does this organization not see this. I hate to be so negative after a great series W but I feel like we're doing everything possible to impede our own major talent. You just know Buck is going to make this 50/50 or worse start Sanchez more.

Hopefully he gets 1-2 starts per week and occasional PH and DH duty. That’s what a well run team would do.

I thought he was only gonna be gone for a short spell---not that I want him back or anything. I prefer that he stays gone, as do many other Mets fans.

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I thought he was only gonna be gone for a short spell---not that I want him back or anything. I prefer that he stays gone, as do many other Mets fans.

martino implied narvaez could be back before nido, so i think we have 3 weeks of sanchez and alvarez.

In comment 16119395 Eric on Li said:

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funniest thing is that it's basically an acknowledgement that yesterday's lineup was pre designed with the intent of putting in a whole new group today regardless of what happened yesterday, AND he considered pinch hitting for vientos against a righty (presumably during the at bat he hit the home run or the at bat after that lol). you can tell how snippy he is about this subject. like it's blasphemy to question why a guy who came up and hit a huge homer in his first game isn't playing the next day.

Buck can be obtuse as phuq.

Have to go. Instead of going with young players they bring up Sanchez. Enough of this mindless crap. Time for these two to go

if you have good reasons for doing something you dont need to sound like a fool. that's a choice.

it's not hard to say "we play the best guys here, period. nothing else matters. if you produce you will play".

what's hard is justifying playing a bunch of guys playing like crap when you have alternatives. which is why they look foolish. but if they had some honest issues, like defense, or whatever, they could say "look there are things we value on this team and need to balance".

the problem is when you are considering dropping down a catcher who has been excellent defensively because you dont want to lose sanchez, you have kind of lost the plot and it proves you are basically making it up as you go to justify veterans > rookies.

can hit major league pitching. So using him as a backup to Alvarez makes sense.

Until we see what the actual playing time is. He is a better offensive catcher than Perez (horrible defensively) so if it’s 2x a week I will not lose sleep.

Bucks comments about vientos are more concerning but we already knew he felt this way given 1) they didn’t give him a meaningful chance last year and 2) this same guy was playing nido over Alvarez. If they loved prospects/vientos he would have been called up last month and it took a massive underperformance to get them to shake it up.

Discussion regarding giving Baty some run in LF per one of the writers I speak to. No clue how serious it is but it’s been discussed.

In comment 16119430 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16119418 Optimus-NY said: Quote: I thought he was only gonna be gone for a short spell---not that I want him back or anything. I prefer that he stays gone, as do many other Mets fans. martino implied narvaez could be back before nido, so i think we have 3 weeks of sanchez and alvarez.

Interesting on Nido. I thought he was going to be back soon. Originally, he was ILed, retroactive to May 6 and Buck said he would be back whenever eligible (dry eye syndrome.)

Looked it up, and he has been having eye problems since he had LASIK in 2019. Not uncommon. I had LASIK almost 20 years ago. Worked for a while. Now I put drops in a few times a day and need glasses all the time.

He got a procedure and is getting medicated eyedrops. He is feeling and seeing a lot better.

I wouldn't give up on Nido just yet. IMO, he can be the ideal backup for Alvarez. Not hitting the garbage .118 he is this year. But if he can see the ball better and get the average around double that going forward, I'd take him over a Gary Sanchez who hits .200 with some pop, but poor defense.

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Discussion regarding giving Baty some run in LF per one of the writers I speak to. No clue how serious it is but it’s been discussed.

should be obvious if vientos at 3b is something they are comfortable with.

vogelbach is a lot of things but so far he has been better than either COF. so Baty in LF, Vientos 3B, and vogey at DH vs righties is the best lineup probably. vs lefties id either dh vientos or alonso, baty (or escobar) at 3b, and maybe pham in a corner?

canha/marte have been the biggest anchors on the team including the big problemo. i dont expect them to bench marte but he keeps getting banged up and canha has played better when rested so maybe they need to platoon until one really starts looking better.

but IMO he has to be in the discussion to be in the MLB picture sooner rather than later. You can measure the raw quality of stuff these days and get an idea of how it'll play in MLB.

Also, when it comes to pitching prospects, my theory is that they should spend only the bare minimum of innings in the minor leagues. If a dude is throwing and dominating in AA or higher, get him up as soon as you can. Pitchers just constantly get hurt so often that if you leave him in the minors for a few more years and 250-300 more innings, there's a real chance he's going to get hurt before he can even provide help at the MLB level.

Vasil is still improving some of his pitches, so I'm not saying call him up tomorrow, but IMO, Mets should be keeping a very close eye on him and be ready to call him up very soon if believe his stuff will play.

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In comment 16119430 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16119418 Optimus-NY said: Quote: I thought he was only gonna be gone for a short spell---not that I want him back or anything. I prefer that he stays gone, as do many other Mets fans. martino implied narvaez could be back before nido, so i think we have 3 weeks of sanchez and alvarez. Interesting on Nido. I thought he was going to be back soon. Originally, he was ILed, retroactive to May 6 and Buck said he would be back whenever eligible (dry eye syndrome.) Looked it up, and he has been having eye problems since he had LASIK in 2019. Not uncommon. I had LASIK almost 20 years ago. Worked for a while. Now I put drops in a few times a day and need glasses all the time. He got a procedure and is getting medicated eyedrops. He is feeling and seeing a lot better. I wouldn't give up on Nido just yet. IMO, he can be the ideal backup for Alvarez. Not hitting the garbage .118 he is this year. But if he can see the ball better and get the average around double that going forward, I'd take him over a Gary Sanchez who hits .200 with some pop, but poor defense.

i just dont know what nidos future is with narvaez signed.

between his contract and eye issue, when narvaez is healthy it might be the best time to try to sneak him through waivers while they have depth at the position. or just keep him on an extended rehab through june or so? maybe he has some trade value if he hits well while rehabbing before the deadline.

In comment 16119539 KDavies said:

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In comment 16119430 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16119418 Optimus-NY said: Quote: I thought he was only gonna be gone for a short spell---not that I want him back or anything. I prefer that he stays gone, as do many other Mets fans. martino implied narvaez could be back before nido, so i think we have 3 weeks of sanchez and alvarez. Interesting on Nido. I thought he was going to be back soon. Originally, he was ILed, retroactive to May 6 and Buck said he would be back whenever eligible (dry eye syndrome.) Looked it up, and he has been having eye problems since he had LASIK in 2019. Not uncommon. I had LASIK almost 20 years ago. Worked for a while. Now I put drops in a few times a day and need glasses all the time. He got a procedure and is getting medicated eyedrops. He is feeling and seeing a lot better. I wouldn't give up on Nido just yet. IMO, he can be the ideal backup for Alvarez. Not hitting the garbage .118 he is this year. But if he can see the ball better and get the average around double that going forward, I'd take him over a Gary Sanchez who hits .200 with some pop, but poor defense.

The Mets have Alvarex and Narvaez when healthy. Nidon't's services will no longer be required in about a month.

wouldn't expect him to take it knowing they had Alvarez. I always saw Narvaez as a hedge on Alvarez. I don't see him backing up Alvarez next year.

Agreed that now may be a good time to see if they can sneak Nido through waivers, and possibly stash him in AAA for the rest of the season as a hedge against injury

one on buck needing to do a better job with his lineups and not saying dumb shit, we've already covered that so ill post the prospect article which had a few notable nuggets in it relative to their internal thinking:

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• For now, Mauricio is seeing most of his time at second base (with some days back at short). The Mets haven’t ruled out expanding on that defensive profile this summer, including the chance he gets some time in the outfield. At this point, they’re taking Mauricio’s development in two-week chunks, reevaluating at the end of each fortnight to see what else can be added to his plate. The early returns at second have been promising. • In a farm system devoid of tantalizing arm options in the upper levels, Mike Vasil stands out. In his first season with Double-A Binghamton, Vasil has produced a 2.70 ERA and 0.70 WHIP in 30 innings while improving his walk rate (3.5 percent, his best in affiliate action) without sacrificing his strikeout numbers (36.3 percent, also his best in affiliate action). While it remains his fourth pitch, Vasil’s split-change has improved; he’s attacking hitters with it more in the zone and it is generating more swing and miss. However, based on how the front office has operated in the past, it would be surprising to see Vasil get called up before some kind of stint in Triple A.

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wouldn't expect him to take it knowing they had Alvarez. I always saw Narvaez as a hedge on Alvarez. I don't see him backing up Alvarez next year. Agreed that now may be a good time to see if they can sneak Nido through waivers, and possibly stash him in AAA for the rest of the season as a hedge against injury

he's 31 and probably going to end up missing half of this year. he's going to have play pretty well when he gets back to opt out and get a bigger deal. he looked good in his first 5 games but that was relative to the terribleness of met catchers the last half decade and obviously also just 1 week, but zoom out and he was still below average offensively relative to the league and more in line with the player he was last year.

if i had to bet on opt in or out right now i think the safe money would be on opt in.

but due to his innings history, it might be a bit of a surprise. 71.1 innings last year. 88.2 innings the year before in college and pro ball.

I love the talk of Mauricio playing OF. I'd love to see him have Zobrist-type versatility and play nearly every day.

Rudick is another very interesting option at Binghamton. Same draft class as Vasil. 13th round out of SDSU. Final year there had 26 walks to 9 Ks, with a 1.051 OPS and only 4 HRs.

At Binghamton this year, .989 OPS, 5 HRs in 31 games (surprising pop), 5 steals, 24 walks and 19 Ks. Looks like he could be a very interesting backup MLB OF in a year or so

Daboll/Schoen vs. Buck/Eppler.

I think most fans have confidence that the Giants duo are making good decisions for the present and future. Every (at least most) decisions make sense and are based on maximizing the talent on the field and trying to win.

Can't say the same for the Mets.

I know the games and seasons are different, but so many decisions by the Mets are questionable. The handling of Vientos being near the top of the list.

But also compare the mid-season signing of Hodgins (yay!) vs. the trades for Ruf and Vogelsnack (yuck and a big fat yuck), as more examples.

He also signed here with the knowledge that Alvarez was coming up soon. He's Venezuelan, just like Alvy, so there's that connection as well. It makes sense for him to opt in and stay. He's a valuable piece to the Mets because he can give Alvy rest and mentorship. Narvaez has the luxury of guaranteed money for another season, so he might as well take it, especially after having missed so much time so far. It's not like Narvaez is some young pup anyway.

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Daboll/Schoen vs. Buck/Eppler. I think most fans have confidence that the Giants duo are making good decisions for the present and future. Every (at least most) decisions make sense and are based on maximizing the talent on the field and trying to win. Can't say the same for the Mets. I know the games and seasons are different, but so many decisions by the Mets are questionable. The handling of Vientos being near the top of the list. But also compare the mid-season signing of Hodgins (yay!) vs. the trades for Ruf and Vogelsnack (yuck and a big fat yuck), as more examples.

+infinity

I wonder if Vientos could play a major league 3B.

If so and Ohtani is signed, we could be looking at a lineup next year of the following:

CF Nimmo
DH Ohtani
SS Lindor
1B Alonso
LF Baty
3B Vientos
C Alvarez
2B McNeil
RF Marte

Super-utility guy: Mauricio

A weird kind of fetish. The focus needs to be on winning. These kids provide the best avenue towards that end. Buck is disingenuous and corny, which is maddening since he has such a high baseball I.Q. There's a reason he's worn out his welcome elsewhere. There's also a reason that the Yankees and Diamondbacks immediately won right after he left. Some people never learn. Stubborn is as stubborn does...

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I wonder if Vientos could play a major league 3B. If so and Ohtani is signed, we could be looking at a lineup next year of the following: CF Nimmo DH Ohtani SS Lindor 1B Alonso LF Baty 3B Vientos C Alvarez 2B McNeil RF Marte Super-utility guy: Mauricio

if marte is toast you could also just start mcneil in RF and start mauricio at 2b.

marte would be an expensive 4th OF mixing in with Baty/McNeil/Nimmo but there would be a decent role there since the other 3 are lefties. McNeil can give Mauricio some days off when Marte plays for him. Baty can relieve Vientos at 3b occasionally. everyone can rotate through DH to stay fresh.

with the workload ohtani has it's probably good to give him 1 full day off a week if you can.

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Dylan Cease, RHP, White Sox Cease entered the season on the short list of AL Cy Young favorites, but after a strong start to his year, the right-hander struggled for four straight outings before throwing six scoreless innings against the Astros on May 13. The 27-year-old has two years of arbitration eligibility remaining, making him Chicago’s biggest trade chip. Jack Flaherty, RHP, Cardinals Much like the Cardinals, Flaherty is off to a rocky start, posting a 5.24 ERA through his first nine starts. St. Louis has plenty of time to right the ship, but if the Cards become sellers, the right-hander -- who is earning $5.4 million in his final year before free agency -- could be on the move. Lucas Giolito, RHP, White Sox Another potential trade chip for the White Sox, Giolito is headed for free agency at the end of the season, making him a prime rental candidate for contenders looking to bolster the rotation. Since his April 7 blowup against the Pirates, Giolito has a 2.82 ERA over his past seven starts, one of the few bright spots on a disappointing Chicago team.

hedriks + giolito is a package big enough i'd give up a good prospect if we're in the race. ideally headlined by more of a ramirez than mauricio or parada, but i think you'd have to consider all 3 depending on the circumstances.
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Giolito is the guy for me... give him a run and see if he's a NY fit, then resign him.

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Giolito is the guy for me... give him a run and see if he's a NY fit, then resign him.

and trade who?

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Quote: Dylan Cease, RHP, White Sox Cease entered the season on the short list of AL Cy Young favorites, but after a strong start to his year, the right-hander struggled for four straight outings before throwing six scoreless innings against the Astros on May 13. The 27-year-old has two years of arbitration eligibility remaining, making him Chicago’s biggest trade chip. Jack Flaherty, RHP, Cardinals Much like the Cardinals, Flaherty is off to a rocky start, posting a 5.24 ERA through his first nine starts. St. Louis has plenty of time to right the ship, but if the Cards become sellers, the right-hander -- who is earning $5.4 million in his final year before free agency -- could be on the move. Lucas Giolito, RHP, White Sox Another potential trade chip for the White Sox, Giolito is headed for free agency at the end of the season, making him a prime rental candidate for contenders looking to bolster the rotation. Since his April 7 blowup against the Pirates, Giolito has a 2.82 ERA over his past seven starts, one of the few bright spots on a disappointing Chicago team. hedriks + giolito is a package big enough i'd give up a good prospect if we're in the race. ideally headlined by more of a ramirez than mauricio or parada, but i think you'd have to consider all 3 depending on the circumstances. 10 players getting buzz as potential trade candidates - ( New Window )

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In comment 16119627 Rory said:

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In comment 16119614 moze1021 said: Quote: Giolito is the guy for me... give him a run and see if he's a NY fit, then resign him. and trade who?

id want hendriks in the deal also, and for both id give up someone in the top 100's. would try to headline with 1 of alex ramirez, jett williams, or if they buy the hype on vasil maybe him? if push came to shove and parada was the deal breaker id consider it since his d at catcher is presently shaky.

the vasil break out this year is a nice story but giolito is a known quantity. and hendriks possibly makes up for losing diaz. even if he's pitching well his salary is high enough he shouldnt be too prohibitive to get (kind of like iglesias for atlanta last year).

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TRADE DETAILS Yankees get: RHPs Frankie Montas and Lou Trivino A’s get: LHPs Ken Waldichuk and JP Sears, RHP Luis Medina, 2B Cooper Bowman

Waldichuk was a non-consensus back end top 100 prospect, just like Jett Williams (#98 ba) and Alex Ramirez (#92 ba) are right now.

parada is a cut above that as more of a consensus top 50.

Ramirez + Vasil seems like a quality package if you are getting both Hendriks and Giolito.

Mets need a pitcher now. And the price would probably be much higher now than at the deadline.

I would only trade for a pitcher at the deadline if Mets are comfortably in control of a WC spot.

Team's that are not in a playoff spot at the deadline and are trying to trade to get a playoff spot generally don't fare well (see Javy Baez, Victor Zambrano etc)

What are the odds Buck pulls the Alvarez is still dinged up and we see Sanchez starting at C tonight?

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Mets need a pitcher now. And the price would probably be much higher now than at the deadline. I would only trade for a pitcher at the deadline if Mets are comfortably in control of a WC spot. Team's that are not in a playoff spot at the deadline and are trying to trade to get a playoff spot generally don't fare well (see Javy Baez, Victor Zambrano etc)

senga and megill just threw their best games of the year, they get carrasco back today, and jv/max are getting back into a regular rotation.

if carrasco/megill can give them a halfway decent 6 weeks that will be a big boost. or at least 1 of them for 2-3 weeks so maybe peterson can get straightened out at AAA.

In comment 16119713 GF1080 said:

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What are the odds Buck pulls the Alvarez is still dinged up and we see Sanchez starting at C tonight?

sanchez is 1 for 6 with a 2b and a walk + 3 ks against quantrill. could definitely see buck starting him.

He was generally considered the best player in the draft except he needed TJ surgery.

Nats took a chance and drafted him with the 16th pick.

That year the Mets top 4 picks were: Cecchini (4 picks ahead of Giolito), Shecky's love child, Kevin Plawecki, Matt Reynolds and Matt Koch

What an awful draft by Mets. Especially drafting Cecchini over Corey Seager.

"People look at those numbers and all that stuff is called recency bias, I was told. Recency bias."

Cool story Buck. Here's Vientos' numbers going back to 2021, not including the game the other night vs Tampa:

2021 Binghaton (AA) 310 ABs, 25 HR, 63 RBI // BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .281/.352/.581/.933
2021 Syracuse (AAA) 36 ABs, 3 HR, 4 RBI // BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .278/.395/.583/.979
2022 Syracuse (AAA) 378 ABs, 24 HR, 72 RBI // BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .280/.358/.519/.877
2022 NYM (MLB) 36 ABs, 1 HR, 3 RBI // BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .167/.268/.278/.546
2023 Syracuse (AAA) 141 ABs, 13 HR, 37 RBI // BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .333/.416/.688/1.104

Total since 2021, Minors only:

829 ABs, 62 HR, 176 RBI (222 games) BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .290/.357/.571/.928

That's 829 ABs, over 222 minor league games, over 2 and a quarter seasons (since 2021), with a .928 combined OPS and 62 HRs, 1 for every 13.4 ABs, which is elite. 2022 Yordan Alvarez territory.

The only evidence of recency bias in the above information is the 36 ABs with the big club in 2022.

This guy is disconnected from reality.

Agreed 100%, and I am (may soon be was) a Buck guy. The other day I compared Alonso's and Vientos' minor league numbers. Vientos' were better.

Alonso came up in his rookie (24 year old) season and hit 53 HRs. Vientos coming up now is 3/4 of a season earlier than Alonso. I don't expect him to hit a pro-rated 53 HR. He may never reach that level. But he could very well be a 30+ HR bat, and soon. He hit a HR in his 1st game up.

what kind of tomfoolery will Buck have today? Sanchez starting and hitting cleanup?

In comment 16119700 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16119627 Rory said: Quote: In comment 16119614 moze1021 said: Quote: Giolito is the guy for me... give him a run and see if he's a NY fit, then resign him. and trade who? id want hendriks in the deal also, and for both id give up someone in the top 100's. would try to headline with 1 of alex ramirez, jett williams, or if they buy the hype on vasil maybe him? if push came to shove and parada was the deal breaker id consider it since his d at catcher is presently shaky. the vasil break out this year is a nice story but giolito is a known quantity. and hendriks possibly makes up for losing diaz. even if he's pitching well his salary is high enough he shouldnt be too prohibitive to get (kind of like iglesias for atlanta last year).

shouldn't we focus on keeping our cost controlled pitching for once so we don't have to keep shelling out expensive short term deals.

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what kind of tomfoolery will Buck have today? Sanchez starting and hitting cleanup?

Holy balls Buck is actually playing an optimal lineup!

Posted on Mets Twitter.

Well, at least it's the optimal players in the lineup.

how Buck has become some hated character on this site now.

All starting tonight, with Vientos DH'ing! Huzzah!

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how Buck has become some hated character on this site now.

I don't hate him. But his public comments this week did him no favors. They were really puzzling and flew in the face of logic and sensibility.

He can turn it around by playing the kids more like he is tonight.

Thank you Buck or whoever got to him!

Nido beginning a rehab assignment in St. Lucie. Locastro to 60 day. Perez to AAA. Still need another move for Carrasco.

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In comment 16119700 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16119627 Rory said: Quote: In comment 16119614 moze1021 said: Quote: Giolito is the guy for me... give him a run and see if he's a NY fit, then resign him. and trade who? id want hendriks in the deal also, and for both id give up someone in the top 100's. would try to headline with 1 of alex ramirez, jett williams, or if they buy the hype on vasil maybe him? if push came to shove and parada was the deal breaker id consider it since his d at catcher is presently shaky. the vasil break out this year is a nice story but giolito is a known quantity. and hendriks possibly makes up for losing diaz. even if he's pitching well his salary is high enough he shouldnt be too prohibitive to get (kind of like iglesias for atlanta last year). shouldn't we focus on keeping our cost controlled pitching for once so we don't have to keep shelling out expensive short term deals.

id rather shell out for pitching personally. jt ginn was a cost controlled pitcher traded for bassitt, and the latter was a big part of last year's team and ate a ton of quality innings. ginn is about to turn 24 still getting lit up in AA.

pitcher development is a lot more unpredictable than hitter development. I hated the stroman trade at the time but neither of SWR/kay amounted to anything. matt allan's career never even got on track bc of injuries.

so yeah, since we have cohen's $ ill just sign vets to eat innings. they wont all be 40 years old, some can be younger like senga (or in this case, giolito).

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Thank you Buck or whoever got to him! Nido beginning a rehab assignment in St. Lucie. Locastro to 60 day. Perez to AAA. Still need another move for Carrasco.

agreed this is the team's best lineup right now. maybe they told buck if any of the kids suck for a few days he gets to personally tell them they are getting demoted?

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how Buck has become some hated character on this site now.

And there’s always some that will ball wash the Manager/FO no matter what.

Listen, say stupid things…win stupid prizes. And Buck has said a lot of stupid things, been stubborn to make obvious moves to improve the team, all while his $350 million team is playing like a bottom feeder in the league. Buck and company is absolutely deserved of criticism. It’s weird that this bothers some people.

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agreed this is the team's best lineup right now. maybe they told buck if any of the kids suck for a few days he gets to personally tell them they are getting demoted?

HAHAHA!! You owe me a new laptop, I just spit my beer all over it...

In comment 16119892 CooperDash said:

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In comment 16119759 Rory said: Quote: how Buck has become some hated character on this site now. And there’s always some that will ball wash the Manager/FO no matter what. Listen, say stupid things…win stupid prizes. And Buck has said a lot of stupid things, been stubborn to make obvious moves to improve the team, all while his $350 million team is playing like a bottom feeder in the league. Buck and company is absolutely deserved of criticism. It’s weird that this bothers some people.

are you directing this to me cooperdash?