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NFT: Rays @ Mets - Game 3: Megill (R) vs Bradley (R) - 1:10 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:00 pm


Starting Lineups and Starting pitchers for today's game




Notes:
-Pete's playing today despite being sick and is at 1B instead of DH (thought Buck might rest him after last night)
-Pham's in LF and McNeil's in RF
-Marte is resting and Bucks has---surprise, surprise---left Vientos out of the lineup.
-Alvarez is resting today with Perez getting the start at Catcher.
-Escobar is at 2B again.
-At least Baty's in the lineup today...


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Bottom of that order  
HewlettGiant : 5/18/2023 12:03 pm : link
Is scary bad.

I just sense that if we can pull out today's game we will go on a roll



I was at last night's game with my son  
HewlettGiant : 5/18/2023 12:06 pm : link
Frankly, we looked at each other several times and said....should we leave (No faith in the team) it was cold and no juice in the ballpark. Needless to say we were thrilled we stayed.

I did not check the attendance but it was scarce last night, and by the time we won the game there might have been 7000 people in the stands
This much anger for not starting Vientos  
Shecky : 5/18/2023 12:09 pm : link
Eric may need to order extra hamsters if they send him back down one of these days.
RE: I was at last night's game with my son  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16119065 HewlettGiant said:
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Frankly, we looked at each other several times and said....should we leave (No faith in the team) it was cold and no juice in the ballpark. Needless to say we were thrilled we stayed.

I did not check the attendance but it was scarce last night, and by the time we won the game there might have been 7000 people in the stands


I'm glad you guys stayed. It was a great game!! Hope you two had a fun time :-)
Ridiculous  
larryflower37 : 5/18/2023 12:11 pm : link
Kill all momentum.
6 through 9 should be playing elsewhere.
Buck did NOT look happy after Vientos hit that HR last night.  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:13 pm : link
I know I'm not the only one who noticed that. Another poster said the same thing when it happened. Buck's got a bug up his backside regarding these younguns for some very odd reason. He needs to be put in check, otherwise he might need to be relieved of his duties.
Can't stand Buck anymore....  
slov72 : 5/18/2023 12:17 pm : link
meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas?
Buck  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 12:19 pm : link
apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...
I can't see how you can march out  
larryflower37 : 5/18/2023 12:22 pm : link
Pham, Vogelback, and Esco everyday. They look horrible and at minimum you are holding back the future.
Here are some articles:  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:23 pm : link
[url=https://www.amazinavenue.com/2023/5/18/23728454/mets-rays-lineups-open-thread-051823-megill-bradley]Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23:
The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT[/url]

Morning Briefing: Mark Vientos Promotion Makes Immediate Impact - By Mojo Hill | Updated: May 18, 2023

The Kids Give Mets Much-Needed Power Boost - By Dan Quiñones - Updated: May 18, 2023

Senga Strikes Out 12 Rays With Family at Citi Field - By Michael Mayer | Updated: May 18, 2023

Mets Minors Recap: Ronny Mauricio Collects Two More Hits - By Ricky Keeler | Updated: May 18, 2023

A dozen ghosts, two homers from the kids, and a Polar Bear walk-off: Kodai Senga was brilliant, fanning a dozen Rays batters and the Mets came from behind on three different occasions to notch the most exciting win of the 2023 season thus far. - By Allison McCague | @PetitePhD | May 17, 2023 | 10:49pm EDT
Sorry. Screwed up a link to an article.  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:26 pm : link
Here it is:

Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23: The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT
RE: Buck  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16119076 DanMetroMan said:
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apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...


Wow. This is beginning to sound like something fishy is brewing. What kind of message is Buck trying to send and to whom exactly?
Asked  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 12:27 pm : link
Seidler about Wilfredo Lara, a guy who I know NOTHING about who is off to a good start

"Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
·
2h
Replying to
@WexlerRules
he got flagged for me last year as having decent (not great, but decent) batted ball data in the complex last year despite the meh slash. This year a ton of hard contact in the air but his chase is way way way too high"
RE: Bottom of that order  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16119061 HewlettGiant said:
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Is scary bad.

I just sense that if we can pull out today's game we will go on a roll




We won't get on a roll. Buck will see to that. Winning isn't his priority. It's more about him than it is the actual success of the team at this point with his decision-making.
Here's a link to the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:40 pm : link
Click below for the Mets' feed...

(The SNY Pregame Show is on now)


Rays @ Mets - 1:10 pm ET start on May 18th, 2023 - TV Broadcast feed for Mets: SNY w/Gary and Keith (markkystreams) - ( New Window )
Here's another Game thread link:  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 12:49 pm : link
MMO Game Thread: Rays vs Mets, 1:10 PM - By Elliot Teichman | Updated: May 18, 2023

Here's one I posted above, but it fits better here:

Mets vs. Rays: Lineups, broadcast info, and open thread, 5/18/23 | The Mets hope to take the series from the best team in baseball. - By Brian Salvatore | May 18, 2023 | 12:10pm EDT

The game thread comments are funny to follow. Basically echoing what we're all saying, only it's nicer here. Those two threads can become zoos IMO.
RE: Buck  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16119076 DanMetroMan said:
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apparently told Keith that rookies shouldn't DH and Alonso has been open about not wanting to DH regularly so... basically we won't be seeing much of Baty and Vientos in the same lineup unless Buck changes his views here...


Here I thought you should just try to play the best lineup you can that gives you the best chance to win. Silly me.
I knew Vientos would  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/18/2023 12:59 pm : link
Be benched today. Welcome to playing 2-3 games a week
Buck had a comment today re: Vientos  
Metnut : 5/18/2023 12:59 pm : link
that only one guy can play 3B at a time and that we knew this would be an issue if he (Vientos) came up.

Give me a break. Seems like he was against calling him up and is being petty. Play him at DH most days and give him occasional starts at 1B (with Alonso DHing) and 3B.

Alonso is sick as a dog and its a day game after an extra inning night game. Maybe DHing Alonso for a day is the best thing for him and the team.
Game update  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 1:00 pm : link
Angels @ Orioles:

O's in the first against LHP Tyler Anderson, our old friend James McCann, inexplicably batting in the 5-hole, at bat with only 1-out and the bases loaded, and strikes out. Ah, the memories. Anderson gets out of the jam a batter later on a McKenna fly out to preserve the 1-0 Angels lead.



Buck is juvenile  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2023 1:04 pm : link
You just knew neither of the rookies was going to play after their heroics last night
RE: Game update  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16119103 allstarjim said:
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Angels @ Orioles:

O's in the first against LHP Tyler Anderson, our old friend James McCann, inexplicably batting in the 5-hole, at bat with only 1-out and the bases loaded, and strikes out. Ah, the memories. Anderson gets out of the jam a batter later on a McKenna fly out to preserve the 1-0 Angels lead.




Maybe McCan't and Nidon't can be reunited soon, lol.
RE: Buck had a comment today re: Vientos  
allstarjim : 5/18/2023 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16119101 Metnut said:
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that only one guy can play 3B at a time and that we knew this would be an issue if he (Vientos) came up.


Wow. If they continue to lose because of this nonsense, then he needs to go.

If Eppler is either standing in the way of playing the kids or unwilling to give Buck a mandate, he needs to go as well.

Sometimes, decisions are easy. Vientos is and has been an easy decision. Playing the players that have given your listless lineup virtually the only spark they've had over the past month, is an easy decision.

To go another direction is rigid to a fault, to put it extremely mildly.

RE: Can't stand Buck anymore....  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2023 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16119075 slov72 said:
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meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas?


Just completely loses his command at times. Falls behind and then has to come over the plate. He is a ground all pitcher and he has already given up a ton of HRs per 9.

Also think Mets made a mistake sending him down. Should have made him a long man in the pen. He suffers from lack of confidence . Going back to the minors yet again did not help

Plus the guys they favored over him, like Leone, completely suck
This is like a sick joke!!!  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 1:14 pm : link
Wow.

How can this be possible!?
What a joke  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2023 1:14 pm : link
He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again?
Mets have 42.6% chance of winning  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2023 1:14 pm : link
According to ESPN’s matchup predictor
Here's a link to the Rays' broadcast:  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:15 pm : link
Click below for some outside perspective...


Rays @ Mets - 1:10 pm ET start on May 18th, 2023 - TV Broadcast feed for the Rays (volokit2.com) - ( New Window )
RE: What a joke  
Vanzetti : 5/18/2023 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16119116 Eric on Li said:
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He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again?


Buck obviously endorsed the Pham signing and is now trying to justify it by giving him playing time he does not deserve.

After the Joc episode, Pham was not getting a contract from anybody other than may be a minor league deal..
Here's a Gameday link for the Boxscore:  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:17 pm : link
Click below...


mlb.com - Boxscore for Rays at Mets - May 18, 2023 - 1:10 pm ET start - ( New Window )
RE: RE: What a joke  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16119121 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16119116 Eric on Li said:


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He had Baty in lf and Vientos at 3b, why does Pham need to be in again?



Buck obviously endorsed the Pham signing and is now trying to justify it by giving him playing time he does not deserve.

After the Joc episode, Pham was not getting a contract from anybody other than may be a minor league deal..


Makes sense. It's all about saving face and justifying their egos. Winning is not the primary objective. The Mets need a sense of urgency now. Buck won't provide that either since it's a "long season."
Did Gary and Keith just say something indirectly?  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:24 pm : link
It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game.
As  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 1:25 pm : link
of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.
Love Jeff  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:27 pm : link
He should be the captain. His head is always in the game.
RE: RE: Can't stand Buck anymore....  
slov72 : 5/18/2023 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16119114 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16119075 slov72 said:


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meanwhile I've been trying to figure out what has changed for Peterson this year... looking at his advanced stats they all look similar to identical to last year. Anyone have any input, has it been just bad luck? His strikeout rate is still right where it was, his walks as well. I thought that he must be getting crushed when contact is being made, but even his average exit velocity against is almost identical. The only thing I found is that his slider is underperforming hugely compared to last year, could this be that he is telegraphing? Any ideas?



Just completely loses his command at times. Falls behind and then has to come over the plate. He is a ground all pitcher and he has already given up a ton of HRs per 9.

Also think Mets made a mistake sending him down. Should have made him a long man in the pen. He suffers from lack of confidence . Going back to the minors yet again did not help

Plus the guys they favored over him, like Leone, completely suck


Interestingly his groundball rate is actually up slightly this year, and his walk rate and strike throwing are similar to last year, the HR/9 is up huge, but its not reflected in the peripherals (hard hit rate, barrels, exit velocity), I really do think, looking at his deep numbers that he has the "stuff" to be a dynamic LHP but it must be mental make up, when he gets in trouble it just snowballs I guess.
RE: As  
larryflower37 : 5/18/2023 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:
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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.


Obviously, because our current DHs are killing it....
RE: As  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2023 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:
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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.


Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave.
RE: RE: As  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16119140 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:


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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.



Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave.


It's all ego-driven. Disgusting.
at least Pham proved Buck correct  
KDavies : 5/18/2023 1:36 pm : link
for starting him and batting him 6th....
RE: Did Gary and Keith just say something indirectly?  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16119131 Optimus-NY said:
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It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game.


I just started watching and not able to follow what you are implying here.. can you expand?
RE: RE: Did Gary and Keith just say something indirectly?  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16119153 moze1021 said:
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In comment 16119131 Optimus-NY said:


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It might be me just reading into this, but they mentioned something about change being difficult with that baseball being on the field and then smiled and waved/laughed it off and went back to the game.



I just started watching and not able to follow what you are implying here.. can you expand?


I thought it was something about Buck not embracing change.
RE: RE: RE: As  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16119147 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16119140 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:


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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.



Moronic on so many levels. Vientos had 4 hard hit ball’s yesterday. Just absolutely staggeringly stupid. If they can’t see the potential and the need to give these guys a chance over 35 year olds hitting under .200 then they don’t deserve their jobs. Honestly moronic. Phillip Seymour hoffman is mocking them from the grave.



It's all ego-driven. Disgusting.


Even when he does play them, he's putting them lower in the order than less talented hitters (like Pham, Canha)..

Pete Alonso has NEVER started a game hitting 7th, 8th, or 9th in the order.

In his rookie season he started 153 games and in all but 1 game he was 2nd, 3rd, or 4th in the lineup, and even that 1 start was hitting 5th.
moze - good post  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:44 pm : link
Buck needs an intervention from Uncle Steve.
6-9 in the order already 0-4 with 2Ks  
Metnut : 5/18/2023 1:47 pm : link
and 2 groundouts.

.  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2023 1:52 pm : link
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
·
17m
Tommy Pham with RISP this season:

2-for-17 (.118), 7 strikeouts

@Metsmerized
#Mets
Thank you C.B. Buckner  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:52 pm : link
Keith is right. Should have bene ball 4. Instead it was a strike followed up by a double play ball.
I’ll keep saying it  
Sammo85 : 5/18/2023 1:52 pm : link
Vogelbach being kept and giving chances on roster is fireable offense for both Eppler and Buck. At some point Phams ability to play OF becomes a useless excuse too except dumbo GM gave him 6m guaranteed!

We are also seeing the ugly side of Buck and why you can guarantee he won’t still be manager here in 2025. This season goes off the rails it’s not all that much of crazy talk to see change made this off-season.
RE: .  
Optimus-NY : 5/18/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16119168 DanMetroMan said:
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Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
·
17m
Tommy Pham with RISP this season:

2-for-17 (.118), 7 strikeouts

@Metsmerized
#Mets


Will any members of the media call out or challenge Buck on his decision-making?
RE: As  
Rory : 5/18/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:
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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.


I agree but I will say this

I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position.
RE: RE: As  
moze1021 : 5/18/2023 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16119177 Rory said:
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In comment 16119132 DanMetroMan said:


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of right now they have decided Baty and Vientos will platoon at 3b. Quite the way to develop young players.



I agree but I will say this

I feel that when you just DH you don't nearly get into the game as much as you would if you were playing at a position.


So the logic is that it's better to not have them in the game at all vs get the experience of DH?
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