He's under contract through the end of the 2025 season. He's also injury prone and 34 years old now. He's another guy they need to think about, if not in-season for some pitching, then in the offseason.
There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.
The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.
The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
They've also played a lot of road games to start the season. If I'm not mistaken, they've played 27 of these first 46 games so far on the road. Verlander and Quintana were also out. Verlander is back now. Quintana will be back in about a month, unless I'm wrong about his timetable, so those right there are two big pluses on the ledger in addition to more home games. The kids are up now too giving this team juice. It's all right there. The onus is on management to make the right roster decisions and trades for relief pitching and Buck to play the right guys---two things that are worrisome, to be quite frank.
will be this team's Achilles heel. Maybe Peterson can be converted to be a long man in the pen.
Bullpen will be the easiest thing to improve. Josh Walker/Lavender may be internal backend options. Come playoff time, you are going 3/4 starters. Without adding a starter, Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, and a 4th guy. Let’s say Quintana. That gives you Megill in the bullpen where he should be effective. Trade for a couple bullpen guys. You could go Robertson, Chapman, Ottavino, other bullpen pickup, Megill, Smith, Brigham, Peterson as a long man. Should be plenty. Could also see Vasil as a bullpen option this year. He has barely exceeded 80 innings in his career. But maybe he could be an option as a bullpen guy this year to keep his innings down
Francisco Álvarez of the @Mets has delivered a game-tying hit with his team down to its last out in each of his last 2 games played (Wednesday & today).
Only one other MLB player in the last 10 years has done that in back-to-back games played: Albert Pujols (April 9 & 11, 2017).
guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.
The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.
If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.
10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.
marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6
all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.
and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.
there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.
RE: RE: RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...
guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.
The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.
If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.
10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.
marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6
all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.
and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.
there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...
They are all capable of hitting 30 HRs. Or let's say, together the four of them can hit 120 HRs.
Lindor will be a big beneficiary. He is so much better when he has a level swing than when he upper cuts to hit HRs. Like last night, he was just trying to drive in the run in the 10th and went with the pitch instead of trying to jack it.
Coming into this year, he was the Mets #2 power source. Next year, he will be #6 or maybe even #7.
Much rather have Lindor hitting .290 with 15 HRs than .220 with 25 HRs
Here are replays of the last half-innings of 2 of the last 3 wins:
Wow. The improvement over last season is massive. Imagine what he'll be by next season. I can see him possibly being brought up around the trade deadline around the end of July. Lots of roster shakeups have to take place between now and then though. I'm perfectly fine with Luis G staying at Triple A the rest of the year if there's no place for him on the roster btw.
the crazy thing with mauricio is the total XBH if you add his steals
he had his 9th steal today, so that may as well be 9 more XBH on top of the fact that he already leads the league already.
in 43 games he has 28 xbh which is more than anyone in the big leagues even having played a handful more games.
now add the 9 steals and you have 37 xbh. he is basically on pace for like 130 on the year. last year judge led mlb with 90 + 16 steals. he led the next closest guys by more than 10. so currently Mauricio on pace to obliterate that.
Freddie Freeman currently leads MLB with 26 in 47 games + 6 steals.
Acuna has 24 xbh + 18 steals. Pretty sure he's the only guy at with more combined xbh/steals than Mauricio.
this isn't an aberation by the way. last year in 123 games mauricio had 26 homers, 26 2b, 2 3b, 20 steals. so 74 in 100 games means he was pacing for right around 100 xbh + sb last year too.
which was especially odd given a good year last year, and probably his most impressive accomplishment to date was his winter league performance (which was at a level considered to be AAA equivalent).
keith law had him #87 (down from #40 the year prior). fangraphs had him #90.
i know these prospect writers don't want it to be as simple as the guys with the best numbers are the best players but i think sometimes they have a tendency to overcomplicate whatever the obvious is.
I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
Alvy and Vientos better be in the lineup for the nightcap of today's doubleheader.
they have to be, the big question is if he plays baty both? there's no reason to play vientos at 3b, he should either dh or play 1b so alonso can dh 1 of the 2 games.
so does he start escobar in both games or does he start baty in both?
presumably mcneil comes into 2b, and canha or pham or both get starts in COF if marte doesnt play both.
I'm gonna start a Game thread now that we have the lineups for Game 1.
We can continue our chin wag there. This one's getting buried now and is from the game two days ago. There'll be plenty to talk about today I'm sure, lol. Link is below...
I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).
I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.
I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).
I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.
soriano was definitely wiry and agreed mauricio looks likely to fill out at least 20-30 pounds heavier than the 195 soriano was listed at. the soriano comps made more sense a couple years ago in brooklyn when mauricio was still like 180.
i dont know if i have a great visual comp because mauricio looks to have more of an upper cut to me than a-rod. visually his stroke isn't the prettiest so i see some of the swing/miss concern with him beyond the #s - but soriano and baez obviously had/have a lot of swing/miss so i think that kind of outcome seems reasonable even though he'll look different doing it.
a taller/thinner devers may not be the worst visual comp. mauricio is already listed at 222 so who knows how big he'll end up.
The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
They've also played a lot of road games to start the season. If I'm not mistaken, they've played 27 of these first 46 games so far on the road. Verlander and Quintana were also out. Verlander is back now. Quintana will be back in about a month, unless I'm wrong about his timetable, so those right there are two big pluses on the ledger in addition to more home games. The kids are up now too giving this team juice. It's all right there. The onus is on management to make the right roster decisions and trades for relief pitching and Buck to play the right guys---two things that are worrisome, to be quite frank.
Make him the bunting coach
Bullpen will be the easiest thing to improve. Josh Walker/Lavender may be internal backend options. Come playoff time, you are going 3/4 starters. Without adding a starter, Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, and a 4th guy. Let’s say Quintana. That gives you Megill in the bullpen where he should be effective. Trade for a couple bullpen guys. You could go Robertson, Chapman, Ottavino, other bullpen pickup, Megill, Smith, Brigham, Peterson as a long man. Should be plenty. Could also see Vasil as a bullpen option this year. He has barely exceeded 80 innings in his career. But maybe he could be an option as a bullpen guy this year to keep his innings down
They should be in the WC race all season.
Only one other MLB player in the last 10 years has done that in back-to-back games played: Albert Pujols (April 9 & 11, 2017).
Game postponed...double dip tomorrow....
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bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
It'll be interesting to see what he does. I think Pete DH's at least one of the games
Can't ask for much more than that!!
But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.
The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.
If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...
Can't ask for much more than that!!
But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
It'll be interesting to see what he does. I think Pete DH's at least one of the games
they could dh him game 1 and put vientos at 1b. in fact id probably bet on that. that keeps pretty much all the key vets fresh for game 2.
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.
The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.
If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.
10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.
marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6
all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.
and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.
there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...
Can't ask for much more than that!!
But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol
double lol
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?
bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.
i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.
then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.
The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.
If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.
10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.
marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6
all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.
and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.
there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.
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In comment 16120068 moze1021 said:
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...
Can't ask for much more than that!!
But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol
double lol
Lindor will be a big beneficiary. He is so much better when he has a level swing than when he upper cuts to hit HRs. Like last night, he was just trying to drive in the run in the 10th and went with the pitch instead of trying to jack it.
Coming into this year, he was the Mets #2 power source. Next year, he will be #6 or maybe even #7.
Much rather have Lindor hitting .290 with 15 HRs than .220 with 25 HRs
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what a putrid season for him so far.
Rosario has been worse (offensively and defensively).
what a putrid season for him so far.
Rosario has been worse (offensively and defensively).
If Cleveland fan twitter is any indication, they are done with Rosario
Batting .417 in May
Numbers updated to include today's game
Batting .417 in May
Numbers updated to include today's game
Wow. The improvement over last season is massive. Imagine what he'll be by next season. I can see him possibly being brought up around the trade deadline around the end of July. Lots of roster shakeups have to take place between now and then though. I'm perfectly fine with Luis G staying at Triple A the rest of the year if there's no place for him on the roster btw.
in 43 games he has 28 xbh which is more than anyone in the big leagues even having played a handful more games.
now add the 9 steals and you have 37 xbh. he is basically on pace for like 130 on the year. last year judge led mlb with 90 + 16 steals. he led the next closest guys by more than 10. so currently Mauricio on pace to obliterate that.
Freddie Freeman currently leads MLB with 26 in 47 games + 6 steals.
Acuna has 24 xbh + 18 steals. Pretty sure he's the only guy at with more combined xbh/steals than Mauricio.
this isn't an aberation by the way. last year in 123 games mauricio had 26 homers, 26 2b, 2 3b, 20 steals. so 74 in 100 games means he was pacing for right around 100 xbh + sb last year too.
He is on it (#99 from BA, #94 from MLB), Vientos was not.
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100 prospects in the minors and Mauricio wasn't included.
He is on it (#99 from BA, #94 from MLB), Vientos was not.
Ah, ok. Thanks. 99 and 94 are pretty low though, but then he wasn't putting these numbers up when they compiled it.
keith law had him #87 (down from #40 the year prior). fangraphs had him #90.
i know these prospect writers don't want it to be as simple as the guys with the best numbers are the best players but i think sometimes they have a tendency to overcomplicate whatever the obvious is.
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
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Francisco Alvarez in his last 11 games: .270/.372/.676 (1.048 OPS), 4 HR, 7 RBI
unless he's planning to play them both games, not playing marte/escobar vs bieber seems like an odd choice.
they have to be, the big question is if he plays baty both? there's no reason to play vientos at 3b, he should either dh or play 1b so alonso can dh 1 of the 2 games.
so does he start escobar in both games or does he start baty in both?
presumably mcneil comes into 2b, and canha or pham or both get starts in COF if marte doesnt play both.
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I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).
I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.
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In comment 16120472 moze1021 said:
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I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...
dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).
I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.
soriano was definitely wiry and agreed mauricio looks likely to fill out at least 20-30 pounds heavier than the 195 soriano was listed at. the soriano comps made more sense a couple years ago in brooklyn when mauricio was still like 180.
i dont know if i have a great visual comp because mauricio looks to have more of an upper cut to me than a-rod. visually his stroke isn't the prettiest so i see some of the swing/miss concern with him beyond the #s - but soriano and baez obviously had/have a lot of swing/miss so i think that kind of outcome seems reasonable even though he'll look different doing it.
a taller/thinner devers may not be the worst visual comp. mauricio is already listed at 222 so who knows how big he'll end up.