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NFT: Guardians @ Mets - 7:10pm ET Game 1 - Carrasco vs. Quantrill

Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 6:44 pm


#LFGM!


mlb.com - Starting Lineups for Guardians at Mets on May 19th, 2023 - 7:10 pm EDT start - ( New Window )
Kids night!!!  
larryflower37 : 5/19/2023 7:08 pm : link
Let's hope this is the start of a run.
So glad to have Carrasco back  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 7:18 pm : link
The guy fucking sucks
Here are some links for the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 7:19 pm : link
MLB.com - Gameday Box Score for today's game

Guardians at Mets - 7:10 pm ET - TV Broadcast: Mets feed - SNY w/Gary & Keith (volokit2.com)

Guardians at Mets - 7:10 pm ET - TV Broadcast: Guardians feed (volokit2.com)

RE: So glad to have Carrasco back  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16119880 CooperDash said:
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The guy fucking sucks


I want him gone. Guy is trash. Not sure why they brought him back this season.
carrasco's velocity is up early  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 7:20 pm : link
but so is his exit velocity. 110mph on rosario's first pitch single, 106 on the homer allowed. peterson better figure himself out at AAA quickly.
bells flyout was 103mph also  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 7:22 pm : link
so that inning was not an ideal start for cookie.
How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 7:23 pm : link
off his pitches?
As I rarely watch  
HewlettGiant : 5/19/2023 7:24 pm : link
The American League, I never saw what was so good about Carrasco, since he has been here I still don't see....would rather have Taijuan Walker.....
RE: How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16119885 CooperDash said:
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off his pitches?


by pitching better? that's like literally what makes pitchers good (or in this case bad).
4 runs in an inning and a third.  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 7:33 pm : link
Lol
Can we have Peterson instead?  
BigBlueNH : 5/19/2023 7:36 pm : link
His ERA was under 9, right? We really have been an automatic L every fifth day all year, and doesn't look like that'll be changing anytime soon.
RE: How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16119885 CooperDash said:
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off his pitches?


Coop was this a joke?

It's literally the object of pitching, trying to prevent solid (or any) contact without walking or hitting batters
RE: RE: How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 7:58 pm : link
In comment 16119896 moze1021 said:
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In comment 16119885 CooperDash said:


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off his pitches?



Coop was this a joke?

It's literally the object of pitching, trying to prevent solid (or any) contact without walking or hitting batters


Lol, not a joke but in retrospect…I suppose it was a pretty silly question.

I assume that having movement on your pitches and keeping batters off balance/making weaker contact was the answer. But with an Eric’s obsessive exit velocity stats, I was thinking maybe…oh, I don’t flippin’ know. It was a dumb question, lol.

I’ll take the heat. Lay it on me!
Lol  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 7:59 pm : link
Bbi no edit/delete means sometimes we post too fast without thinking I guess..haha
RE: RE: RE: How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16119903 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16119896 moze1021 said:


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In comment 16119885 CooperDash said:


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off his pitches?



Coop was this a joke?

It's literally the object of pitching, trying to prevent solid (or any) contact without walking or hitting batters



Lol, not a joke but in retrospect…I suppose it was a pretty silly question.

I assume that having movement on your pitches and keeping batters off balance/making weaker contact was the answer. But with an Eric’s obsessive exit velocity stats, I was thinking maybe…oh, I don’t flippin’ know. It was a dumb question, lol.

I’ll take the heat. Lay it on me!


Ha! All good. This team is finished, if they can't get even so much as a decent start from 3/5 of their rotation.

But what is really comical is the first inning ratio for runs. What is it now, 45 Runs given up, and 9 scored?
It's ok  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:10 pm : link
Carrasco drives us to drinking. This guy is absolute trash.
Carrasco was throwing 94-5 last year. Today 89-92  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 8:11 pm : link
Its gong to be hard for him to be successful with that diminished velocity
Take a shot for every run the Mets get outscored by in the 1st inning.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:13 pm : link
RE: Take a shot for every run the Mets get outscored by in the 1st inning.  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16119914 Optimus-NY said:
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I'll be dead by the top of the 2nd





dump Cookie  
spike : 5/19/2023 8:17 pm : link
Keep Luchessi and pray for Quitana
Godt Dayum!  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:23 pm : link
Alvy strikes again with the longball!
How many games seem over by the 4th inning this year?  
dannysection 313 : 5/19/2023 8:23 pm : link
Summer is supposed to mean evening entertainment via watching baseball, specifically Met games.


carrasco was 93/94 in the first inning but couldn't sustain it  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 8:25 pm : link
he actually has 11 swings and misses to quantrill's 7.

when he's missed he's missed bad though because the indians have a bunch of loud contact on him (obviously).



if you are going to get tagged for homers it helps if they are solo's like alvarez' and not 3 run homers like naylors.
Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:26 pm : link
Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How does a pitcher control exit velocity of batted balls  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16119911 speedywheels said:
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But what is really comical is the first inning ratio for runs. What is it now, 45 Runs given up, and 9 scored?


So I stopped being lazy for a minute and looked it up - it was 38-10 before tonight, so 41-10.

News flash - that's bad. Like REALLY bad...
RE: Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16119926 Optimus-NY said:
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Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.


alvarez just passed nidos career best homers in a single season. and his defense has been great. agreed unless he finds himself in some kind of brutal slump you can't send him down.
RE: RE: Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16119928 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16119926 Optimus-NY said:


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Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.



alvarez just passed nidos career best homers in a single season. and his defense has been great. agreed unless he finds himself in some kind of brutal slump you can't send him down.


Can you imagine Eric? Would we be surprised though?

P.S. Here comes another run!
RE: Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16119926 Optimus-NY said:
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Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.


Have you seen Buck? He can absolutely send him down, he's that fucking stupid

(insert crying emoji here)
Buck seems like the type of guy that gets mad at his own farts  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 8:32 pm : link
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Nido  
spike : 5/19/2023 8:33 pm : link
will have a very long eye sight issue. does he have options?
coop want to know why i post exit velo?  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 8:34 pm : link
canha - 97mph grounder
alvarez - 103 mph homer
lindor - 101 mph 2b
mcneil - 94 mph single

hit it hard and good things happen. as far as baseball stats being predictive go it's hard for me to see one more important.

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In 2021, hard-hit batted balls produced a leaguewide .500 batting average, a 1.015 slugging percentage, and a .625 wOBA. On the flip side, batted balls hit below 95 miles per hour produced a leaguewide .221 batting average, a .263 slugging percentage, and a .208 wOBA. These statistics make it pretty clear there is a value in hard-hit rate.
RE: coop want to know why i post exit velo?  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16119935 Eric on Li said:
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canha - 97mph grounder
alvarez - 103 mph homer
lindor - 101 mph 2b
mcneil - 94 mph single

hit it hard and good things happen. as far as baseball stats being predictive go it's hard for me to see one more important.



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In 2021, hard-hit batted balls produced a leaguewide .500 batting average, a 1.015 slugging percentage, and a .625 wOBA. On the flip side, batted balls hit below 95 miles per hour produced a leaguewide .221 batting average, a .263 slugging percentage, and a .208 wOBA. These statistics make it pretty clear there is a value in hard-hit rate.



I didn’t mean to use the word “obsessive” as a bad thing - sorry if you took it that way. I enjoy your posts.
Baty bomb!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 8:43 pm : link
Your turn, Swaggy!

Leave no doubt, these kids need to play every day. Studs.
RE: RE: Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16119930 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16119926 Optimus-NY said:


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Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.



Have you seen Buck? He can absolutely send him down, he's that fucking stupid

(insert crying emoji here)


So, we've got two homers so far tonight from Alvy and Baty.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 8:48 pm : link
Imagine if Vientos knocks one out tonight to win this? What's Buckethead gonna say then?
LFGM!  
spike : 5/19/2023 8:49 pm : link
RALLY TIME
RE: RE: RE: Alvarez CAN NOT be sent back down to Triple A for Nidon't.  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:52 pm : link
In comment 16119942 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16119930 speedywheels said:


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In comment 16119926 Optimus-NY said:


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Can you imagine the backlash? Eppler and Buck would have to be on crack if that happened---or just plain fired.



Have you seen Buck? He can absolutely send him down, he's that fucking stupid

(insert crying emoji here)




HAHA!
RE: So, we've got two homers so far tonight from Alvy and Baty.  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16119943 Optimus-NY said:
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Imagine if Vientos knocks one out tonight to win this? What's Buckethead gonna say then?


"they got lucky"
shitty pen  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:06 pm : link
missing Diaz
Oh fudge  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:06 pm : link
We suck again.
inexcusable  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:07 pm : link
even after 2 gift outs
Will soemone  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:07 pm : link
slap Nogosek?
Nice  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:09 pm : link
Tommy Hunter coming in to throw a batting practice sesh.

Can we get a couple of legit ML relievers?
the SP is bad enough, but  
speedywheels : 5/19/2023 9:09 pm : link
the BP is terrible. Like atrociously bad.

is it that hard to find reliable relief pitchers?
worst pitching  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:09 pm : link
in baseball.

The worst pen  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:10 pm : link
money can buy
I mean  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:10 pm : link
The Indians have 7 outs to work with left in this game, and 7 runs scored, and I'd legit put the o/u on Indians runs at 10.5 at this point.
I'm not sure who he should have used  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2023 9:10 pm : link
but this was a 2-run game.

bringing in Leone, who is brutal, after the Mets cut the lead to 2, is questionable.

is there no one better they could have brought in?

As soon as I saw him come in, I knew it wasn't going to end well
RE: Nice  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16119956 allstarjim said:
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Tommy Hunter coming in to throw a batting practice sesh.

Can we get a couple of legit ML relievers?


Call up Luis G to pitch in his place. We'd be better off.
wheres  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:12 pm : link
Drew Smith?
RE: I'm not sure who he should have used  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16119962 pjcas18 said:
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but this was a 2-run game.

bringing in Leone, who is brutal, after the Mets cut the lead to 2, is questionable.

is there no one better they could have brought in?

As soon as I saw him come in, I knew it wasn't going to end well


I'd rather see Sunny Leone pitch instead of this phat bastardo.
At least with this lineup  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:13 pm : link
There's not 4 easy outs in a row. They can still come back and get in this game.
Would love to see  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:17 pm : link
McNeil tamp down aggressiveness here and try to work a walk and load them up for Alonso.
This has to be  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:18 pm : link
Hentges' last batter right?
It's set up now  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:19 pm : link
Boys!
Lets go!  
spike : 5/19/2023 9:20 pm : link
Get them in!
RE: RE: coop want to know why i post exit velo?  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16119938 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16119935 Eric on Li said:


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canha - 97mph grounder
alvarez - 103 mph homer
lindor - 101 mph 2b
mcneil - 94 mph single

hit it hard and good things happen. as far as baseball stats being predictive go it's hard for me to see one more important.



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In 2021, hard-hit batted balls produced a leaguewide .500 batting average, a 1.015 slugging percentage, and a .625 wOBA. On the flip side, batted balls hit below 95 miles per hour produced a leaguewide .221 batting average, a .263 slugging percentage, and a .208 wOBA. These statistics make it pretty clear there is a value in hard-hit rate.





I didn’t mean to use the word “obsessive” as a bad thing - sorry if you took it that way. I enjoy your posts.


It’s all good they are obsessive - just with a good reason I think.
LET'S GET CRAZYYYYYY  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:23 pm : link
!!!!!!
LFGM  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:24 pm : link
!!!!!!
Holy shit  
JayBinQueens : 5/19/2023 9:24 pm : link
He is locked in at the plate
Holy Shit!  
Dennis : 5/19/2023 9:24 pm : link
Grand slam, Pete!
7-7!
102.2 for Pete coop  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:25 pm : link
Not to step on the rally but this stat from Mayer is insane:

@mikemayer22
Ronny Mauricio was 3-for-5 tonight including a single at 115.5 mph and his league leading 19th double (6 more than anyone else).

His 62 hits lead all of minor league baseball.
Are you kidding me?!?!?!??!!!!  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/19/2023 9:25 pm : link
PETE!!! Let's fucking go Mets!!
WOW  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:26 pm : link
What else is there to say? Watching Pete hit now is Must-See TV. Amazing. Extend that man NOW!!!!!
Vientos come on  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:27 pm : link
Let's make some magic!
Come Vientos  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:28 pm : link
Knock one out here and make Buck have a conniption.
Ok, kept the line moving  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:29 pm : link
Would love to see Canha do the same to bring Alvy up in a big spot.
Are the pitches disappearing in k zone for anyone else?  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:30 pm : link
Sometimes lose the ball right off pitchers arm.
RE: Are the pitches disappearing in k zone for anyone else?  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 9:31 pm : link
In comment 16119992 Eric on Li said:
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Sometimes lose the ball right off pitchers arm.


Yeah something was looking weird to me too
Canha and marte look like little leaguers  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:32 pm : link
They need to see if robbie cano left any protein powder in his old locker.
RE: 102.2 for Pete coop  
KDavies : 5/19/2023 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16119981 Eric on Li said:
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Not to step on the rally but this stat from Mayer is insane:

@mikemayer22
Ronny Mauricio was 3-for-5 tonight including a single at 115.5 mph and his league leading 19th double (6 more than anyone else).

His 62 hits lead all of minor league baseball.


Mauricio’s development is incredible. He is exceeding anyone’s expectations. For him to lead the minors in hits is incredible as his hit tool was the biggest question mark on him
Otto needs to put up a 0 here  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 9:33 pm : link
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RE: Canha and marte look like little leaguers  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16119994 Eric on Li said:
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They need to see if robbie cano left any protein powder in his old locker.


lmao!
I love Alvy's energy behind the plate.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:40 pm : link
He's really been impressive defensively. He gives this team energy.
RE: RE: 102.2 for Pete coop  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16119995 KDavies said:
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In comment 16119981 Eric on Li said:


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Not to step on the rally but this stat from Mayer is insane:

@mikemayer22
Ronny Mauricio was 3-for-5 tonight including a single at 115.5 mph and his league leading 19th double (6 more than anyone else).

His 62 hits lead all of minor league baseball.



Mauricio’s development is incredible. He is exceeding anyone’s expectations. For him to lead the minors in hits is incredible as his hit tool was the biggest question mark on him


His hit tool was underrated - his career avg is .270 despite always being the youngest guy in his league and he has never k’d a lot. They overrated the fact that he doesn’t walk and said he made bad swing decisions, which always sounded like something that shouldn’t be considered that odd for a player as young as he is. Last year I think he led the Mets org in xbh rate and that’s without counting his 20ish steals too. He will probably never walk much and his average will probably be variable but if he hits a ton of Xbh he will be a very productive player. The exit velocity makes it seem like just as good of a bet to produce as the other 3 but maybe not as quickly since they each got a taste last year.
I know he just grounded out...  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 9:45 pm : link
But Alvarez looks so so much better at the plate now than he did his first couple weeks. He's really getting comfortable up there.
Okay, hear me out here  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 9:49 pm : link
With these kids coming up - Bath, Alvarez, Vientos, Mauricio on the way - along with Alonso, Lindor, Nimmo, Diaz (fingers crossed). And Buck as the manager.

Similarities to the mid-90s Yankees? I think so!! So by my estimation, Buck will be gone soon (lol) right before we go on our Dynasty run for the next 20 years.

History repeats itself for a NY baseball team.
RE: I know he just grounded out...  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16120006 moze1021 said:
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But Alvarez looks so so much better at the plate now than he did his first couple weeks. He's really getting comfortable up there.


Anyone that can’t see that everything is better with those guys having received as much mlb playing time as they have the last month deserves to get fired by stearns day 1. There is no 1 game or 2 game or maybe 3 game winning streak without them. There was nothing gained playing lifeless deadwood as long as they did.
That out by McNeil had an xba of .460  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:52 pm : link
Big assist to Robertson on day 3 in a row.
What a defensive inning!  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 9:53 pm : link
McNeil is something else. Superb play at 2B. Strong throw by Baty too. Robertson's a stud for pitching three days in a row. Capped off by Pete making a helluva plat at 1B for the 3rd out.
Is this winning baseball I spy?  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 9:53 pm : link
.420 xba on that Alonso play. 92 mph exit velo slightly below the 97mph on McNeils play.

Now someone hit one out and get the w before the ghost runner nonsense.
RE: RE: Canha and marte look like little leaguers  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16120001 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16119994 Eric on Li said:


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They need to see if robbie cano left any protein powder in his old locker.



lmao!


I will say this...playing Baty, Alvarez, and Vientos, with the energy they bring to the game but also the production in keeping the line moving, getting more ABs, getting more looks at the pitching, as well as more RBI opportunities, it's the old axiom about a rising tide lifting all boats. Marte and Canha are professional hitters, and having a potent lineup around them like this is only going to help them as well.

Wow, what a play by Pete Alonso! Two terrific defensive plays by the Mets in that half-inning with McNeil and Alonso.

Gary mentioned it earlier, but McNeil had a great AB to set up the game winning homer by Alonso on Wednesday. McNeil hasn't had a lot of huge moments this year, but every day he's bringing something to help this team.

Let's go for another walk-off:

McNeil
Alonso
Baty

If anyone gets on, Marte and Vientos. I desperately want Vientos to win this game in a walk-off, but I'll take anything.

McNeil with the pop-out.
RE: I know he just grounded out...  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16120006 moze1021 said:
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But Alvarez looks so so much better at the plate now than he did his first couple weeks. He's really getting comfortable up there.


Totally agree with you.

Just in the last couple of weeks especially, his mannerisms, his communication with the pitchers, his defense, and his ABs...he has the look of a superstar catcher.

I just hope Buck recognizes what he has. We are watching the reincarnation of Pudge Rodriguez before our eyes, and any time he's not in the lineup the Mets are worse for it.
Pretty spectacular stuff  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:00 pm : link
from Stephan.

Silver lining, unless Marte wins the game first, Vientos is going to have a chance to walk this off in the bottom of the 10th, pending the Mets keeping the score within a run.
of course  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:03 pm : link
Drew SMith gives up the long ball.
Drew Smith strikes again  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:03 pm : link
Effin scrub
Drew smith has a knack for heart break  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:04 pm : link
There was no other option so not second guessing, just a bad home run to give up.
One of the worst offensive teams in baseball  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:05 pm : link
scored 9 runs off our shitty pitchers.

Eppler has done a bang-up job with Cohen’s money.
OOF  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:07 pm : link
Still, never say die.

Mets scored 4 runs in the 7th before an out was recorded.
who are we trading  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:08 pm : link
for Chapman?
Just get Alvarez tgo the plate as the tying run  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 10:10 pm : link
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Just get Baty in  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:11 pm : link
and let's see what happens.

This is not over.
RBI knock by Swaggy V!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:12 pm : link
Alright!

Let's go!

Nice steal by Eduardo!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:14 pm : link
Good throw and he's out.
Let's go  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:14 pm : link
Frankie!
I hate Vogelsucks so much  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:15 pm : link
Such a waste of a player. Literally get nothing from him.
FUCK YOU BUCK  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:16 pm : link
Let the kids playyyyyyyyy
LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:16 pm : link
ALVY COMES THROUGH AGAIN!!!!!
Alvarez is a fucking killer!  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 10:17 pm : link
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RE: FUCK YOU BUCK  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16120032 CooperDash said:
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Let the kids playyyyyyyyy


FUCK A BUCK!!!
No matter what happens  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:19 pm : link
The Mets are fun to watch again.

Not the bullpen of course, but overall.

METS WIN, METS WIN, METS WIN!!!!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:20 pm : link
LINDOR!!!
What a turnaround!  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
Play the kids!!!
Alvy taking the extra base  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
crucial

Lindor comes through again. Not having a great year but has come through in some big spots
Vientos HR is looking like the turning point of the season  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
Right now.

Amazing
Great win….  
Metnut : 5/19/2023 10:22 pm : link
Wow. Gutsy 3 days here might’ve saved the season.
bye bye Nido  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:22 pm : link
!
God I love baseball!  
Dennis : 5/19/2023 10:23 pm : link
Rips your heart out one night, gives it back to you in a silver chalice the next.
What a great win.
This lineup  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:23 pm : link
is a killer
This team is fucking set up  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:24 pm : link
Jettison fucking Buck like the Yanks did and let’s go on a 20 year run with the kids.
23-23!  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:24 pm : link
Watch out, Marlins! and Braves!
So to re-cap  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:25 pm : link
Mets were down by 2 going into the 10th...

Marte flies out.

Vientos gets a RBI hit to bring them within 1.

Vogey strikes out.

Alvarez gets the game tying RBI hit after Escobar steals as a pinch runner, getting the run home represented by Vientos' single.

Nimmo extends the inning with the infield hit.

And Lindor wins it with the walk-off single.

This after homers by Alvarez, Baty, and of course, Pete.

And they needed all of it. And all 3 of "the baby Mets" were crucial in getting this win.

LFGM - PLAY THE KIDS!
Great game  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/19/2023 10:30 pm : link
But got to get rid of Buck asap
Amazin'!  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:32 pm : link
Put ANOTHER one in the books!


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Kids need to play  
larryflower37 : 5/19/2023 10:34 pm : link
The rest of the season very rare for 3 players to come up and play this well.
Mets were down  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:35 pm : link
5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."
RE: Mets were down  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16120051 allstarjim said:
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5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."


Watching it now. lol. Wanna smack him into retirement.
Snippet from Buck's Postgame Presser  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:41 pm : link
these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:46 pm : link
imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.
Pete in postgame interview  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:52 pm : link
After wrapping up the contributions of Vientos, Alvarez, and Baty...

"They've fit right in, they're ready, they're professionals."
and yes 2 games is a small sample size but we need to remember  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:53 pm : link
this isn't just 2 games. it was all spring, last year in limited action, and obviously every day in AAA.



103mph exit velocity and an 85% hh rate is not sustainable. his spring training numbers may not be sustainable either because they are basically aaron judge - 98mph and a 63%. but maybe we should let the freaking guy play at least until his numbers fall below the threshold of "destroyer of worlds"?
RE: Mets were down  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:55 pm : link
In comment 16120051 allstarjim said:
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5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."


And this is why Mets fans here are tired of Buck, RORY.

And it’s why Buck is a good manager that never wins it all…cause he’s kinda short-minded, stubborn dick.
Can you ask for a more exciting game in May?  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/19/2023 10:56 pm : link
What a team victory
the first question to buck in postgame was  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:57 pm : link
"whats been different the last few games?"

buck's answer:

"they were just tired of losing"

not sure that captures it all buck.
Why is it so hard to get a normal fucking manager  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 11:02 pm : link
that recognizes talent and just wants to win? Buck is such a slave to veterans and also thinks his shit doesn’t stink. If Buck would just embrace the youth, we’d be unstoppable. I guess we’ll see. But he STILL couldn’t help himself in his postgame presser. Still feel the need to praise Escobar over the kids that actually WON the game? Fuck that guy.
Mets are only a game and a half out of a playoff spot.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:03 pm : link


Mets are also at .500 again


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Baby Mets in their first game together...  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 11:05 pm : link
5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!
RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 11:07 pm : link
In comment 16120055 Eric on Li said:
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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.


They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.
RE: Why is it so hard to get a normal fucking manager  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:10 pm : link
In comment 16120066 CooperDash said:
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that recognizes talent and just wants to win? Buck is such a slave to veterans and also thinks his shit doesn’t stink. If Buck would just embrace the youth, we’d be unstoppable. I guess we’ll see. But he STILL couldn’t help himself in his postgame presser. Still feel the need to praise Escobar over the kids that actually WON the game? Fuck that guy.


Spot effing on, especially that second line you stated that's underlined above. He is an arrogant lil' fella, isn't he? It's not about winning at all costs with him. It's about being right. I'll take being wrong and winning ten times out of ten. Buck, for all of his raw intelligence, is a slave to his mentality. He has his pets and, if he had his druthers, wouldn't have these kids up here, even if they are the best options for winning ball games. Fireable offense really.
Just to play devil's advocate with Buck.  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/19/2023 11:11 pm : link
And I agree the kids gotta play. But this could be trying to keep them from getting over confident and still working hard for the managers affection. Like that teacher in school who didn't believe in giving A+'s because there was always room for improvement. He also probably wants to keep the older guys engaged and encouraged that are losing their spots. They still have a roll and we'll need them.

I mean he's got to see those guys weren't getting it done, these kids are, and they're the future right?
RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16120068 moze1021 said:
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!


Another good one from mayer  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 11:22 pm : link
Emmanuel Clase came into Friday against the Mets having never allowed more than 3 hits in any of his 192 appearances.

The Mets got 4 hits (2 by rookies) off Clase in their comeback win.

I will give Buck this, he could have hit vogey for Vientos and hit canha vs clase since he’s a reverse split guy. He let Vientos hit. After today I think he has to see the obvious. Marte and vogey didn’t get close. The kids went up to hit and they did it. There will be slumps and the vets may get hot later but right now ride the young guys. They have the talent and they are ready for the moment.

RE: RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16120069 Vanzetti said:
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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.



They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.


I agree with you. Watching Mauricio, he has the look to me of a corner OF type of player. If he can play 2B everyday, the Mets will be better for it. Either way, the clock is now ticking on getting him up to the big club. He does need to work on defense, but imagine all 4 of these guys really working out to be tremendous hitters. What a young core the Mets would have, and you keep Pete in the mix, with Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil that's 8 tremendous players in the lineup, and you have a potential 9th perhaps coming to Queens for 2024 next year in Shohei. Then all you have to do is find your everyday LFer.

Can you imagine a team with a 1-9 in no particular order:

Nimmo CF
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Ohtani DH
Alonso 1B
Baty LF
Alvarez C
Mauricio 2B
McNeil RF

And yeah, that's not including Marte. There's really not room for all these guys. Need Marte to get going again. The Mets have two more years under contract with him after this one.

The one thing if everybody sticks and if Marte can get back to playing close to his baseball card again, you can still have a 1-9 that's absolutely devastating, and you can move guys around and still give someone a rest.

RE: Just to play devil's advocate with Buck.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16120072 BigBlue in Keys said:
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And I agree the kids gotta play. But this could be trying to keep them from getting over confident and still working hard for the managers affection. Like that teacher in school who didn't believe in giving A+'s because there was always room for improvement. He also probably wants to keep the older guys engaged and encouraged that are losing their spots. They still have a roll and we'll need them.

I mean he's got to see those guys weren't getting it done, these kids are, and they're the future right?


Good post. Mind games are all good and well, but my issue issue is that Buck really doesn't want to play these kids.
RE: Pete in postgame interview  
GF1080 : 5/19/2023 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16120057 allstarjim said:
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After wrapping up the contributions of Vientos, Alvarez, and Baty...

"They've fit right in, they're ready, they're professionals."


Pete for player/manager!

I had to DVR game so just finishing it up and the team looks totally different with these 3 extra bats. Some random thoughts.

Kids obviously the big difference in the lineup here. Buck post game embarrassing. Buck throwing Ottavino and Robertson this much early is scary but I honestly don't know what else he could do. Need some pitching from somewhere. Josh Walker going back down might be a mistake considering all the slop we have in the pen.
RE: RE: RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16120078 allstarjim said:
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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.



They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.



I agree with you. Watching Mauricio, he has the look to me of a corner OF type of player. If he can play 2B everyday, the Mets will be better for it. Either way, the clock is now ticking on getting him up to the big club. He does need to work on defense, but imagine all 4 of these guys really working out to be tremendous hitters. What a young core the Mets would have, and you keep Pete in the mix, with Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil that's 8 tremendous players in the lineup, and you have a potential 9th perhaps coming to Queens for 2024 next year in Shohei. Then all you have to do is find your everyday LFer.

Can you imagine a team with a 1-9 in no particular order:

Nimmo CF
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Ohtani DH
Alonso 1B
Baty LF
Alvarez C
Mauricio 2B
McNeil RF

And yeah, that's not including Marte. There's really not room for all these guys. Need Marte to get going again. The Mets have two more years under contract with him after this one.

The one thing if everybody sticks and if Marte can get back to playing close to his baseball card again, you can still have a 1-9 that's absolutely devastating, and you can move guys around and still give someone a rest.


Mauricio has really filled out. Not the skinny kid we saw in the past. He is built like a Linebacker now. Just don't see him at 2B

Also, he appears to have turned his career around in winterball. Making a lot more contact. Compared to last year, his average is 100 points higher and his strikeouts are down 30%.

Mets ought to hire whoever worked with him in Winterball.
Heads up and a look forward to tomorrow's 4:10 pm (EDT) game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:35 pm : link

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Scherzer needs to step up. Case closed. He can load up on the KY at home tonight if he needs to...
Marte's a guy they might want to think about dealing at some point.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:47 pm : link
He's under contract through the end of the 2025 season. He's also injury prone and 34 years old now. He's another guy they need to think about, if not in-season for some pitching, then in the offseason.
My typing sucks on this device.  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 12:05 am : link
I meant that the Mets should consider trading Marte at some point either during the season or this coming off-season.
The spark has definitely been lit  
moespree : 5/20/2023 12:26 am : link
There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.

The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
RE: The spark has definitely been lit  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 12:41 am : link
In comment 16120091 moespree said:
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There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.

The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.


They've also played a lot of road games to start the season. If I'm not mistaken, they've played 27 of these first 46 games so far on the road. Verlander and Quintana were also out. Verlander is back now. Quintana will be back in about a month, unless I'm wrong about his timetable, so those right there are two big pluses on the ledger in addition to more home games. The kids are up now too giving this team juice. It's all right there. The onus is on management to make the right roster decisions and trades for relief pitching and Buck to play the right guys---two things that are worrisome, to be quite frank.
Thank goodness  
spike : 5/20/2023 7:32 am : link
we dont have to see Nido's automatic out again.
Our bullpen  
spike : 5/20/2023 7:36 am : link
will be this team's Achilles heel. Maybe Peterson can be converted to be a long man in the pen.
RE: Thank goodness  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 7:56 am : link
In comment 16120113 spike said:
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we dont have to see Nido's automatic out again.


Make him the bunting coach
RE: Our bullpen  
KDavies : 5/20/2023 8:03 am : link
In comment 16120114 spike said:
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will be this team's Achilles heel. Maybe Peterson can be converted to be a long man in the pen.


Bullpen will be the easiest thing to improve. Josh Walker/Lavender may be internal backend options. Come playoff time, you are going 3/4 starters. Without adding a starter, Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, and a 4th guy. Let’s say Quintana. That gives you Megill in the bullpen where he should be effective. Trade for a couple bullpen guys. You could go Robertson, Chapman, Ottavino, other bullpen pickup, Megill, Smith, Brigham, Peterson as a long man. Should be plenty. Could also see Vasil as a bullpen option this year. He has barely exceeded 80 innings in his career. But maybe he could be an option as a bullpen guy this year to keep his innings down
Just 6 NL teams above 500  
spike : 5/20/2023 8:24 am : link
with the Mets at 500, half a game behind the Marlins.

They should be in the WC race all season.
Cool stat via @OptaSTATS on Twitter  
moze1021 : 5/20/2023 8:28 am : link
Francisco Álvarez of the @Mets has delivered a game-tying hit with his team down to its last out in each of his last 2 games played (Wednesday & today).

Only one other MLB player in the last 10 years has done that in back-to-back games played: Albert Pujols (April 9 & 11, 2017).
What are the chances  
JayBinQueens : 5/20/2023 10:44 am : link
They get this game in and, any advice which section to look at to not be sitting in the rain if they play?
RE: What are the chances  
dannysection 313 : 5/20/2023 11:10 am : link
In comment 16120164 JayBinQueens said:
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They get this game in and, any advice which section to look at to not be sitting in the rain if they play?


Game postponed...double dip tomorrow....
Mets Rainout announcement on Tweetuh  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 11:20 am : link



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buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2023 11:24 am : link
guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?
RE: buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
JayBinQueens : 5/20/2023 11:53 am : link
In comment 16120194 Eric on Li said:
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?


It'll be interesting to see what he does. I think Pete DH's at least one of the games
RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Dr. D : 5/20/2023 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16120068 moze1021 said:
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!

But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol
RE: buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16120194 Eric on Li said:
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?


I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.

The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.

If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.
RE: RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16120214 Dr. D said:
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!


But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol


RE: RE: buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2023 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16120208 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 16120194 Eric on Li said:


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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?



It'll be interesting to see what he does. I think Pete DH's at least one of the games


they could dh him game 1 and put vientos at 1b. in fact id probably bet on that. that keeps pretty much all the key vets fresh for game 2.
RE: RE: buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2023 1:50 pm : link
In comment 16120233 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16120194 Eric on Li said:


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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?



I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.

The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.

If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.


i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.

10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.

marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6

all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.

and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.

there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.
RE: RE: RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Dr. D : 5/20/2023 1:59 pm : link
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!


But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol




double lol
Pipeline Mets Top 30  
GF1080 : 5/20/2023 2:16 pm : link
Nate Lavender comes in at #30 now that Baty has graduated from prospect status. Parada our new #1. Not a re-rank he just gets the bump up.
RE: RE: RE: buck's lineups tomorrow should be interesting  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 2:51 pm : link
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guessing he puts all the young guys in vs bibee in game 1 then more of a veteran lineup vs bieber in the night game?

bieber's splits are pretty pronounced this year. marte and escobar are combined 7/8 with 4 doubles, 2 homers, and 5 rbis off bieber.

i think id go game 1 - baty 3b, vientos dh, alvarez c, maybe pham in rf for marte to keep him for the night game.

then game 2 - escobar 3b, vogey dh, sanchez, and marte back in RF. maybe put escobar at 2b, baty at 3b and mcneil in lf?



I don't think we will see any more games from Buck and Eppler.

The organization's approach with the young guys was clearly demonstrated to be wrongheaded in so many different ways.

If the Wilpons were still in charge, then maybe. But Uncle Stevie has already demonstrated he holds people accountable.



i tend to agree. it's just too obvious. they have a 3 game winning streak where they've scored a total of 21 runs.

10 of those runs have been driven in by the 3 kids.
8 have been driven in by alonso.
1 by lindor.
1 by mcneil.
1 by pham on an IF single.

marte was 1/7
vogelback was 0/4
canha was 1/6

all 3 games were 1 run games so i think quite clearly without the 3 kids and their 10 RBIs (and 4 homers) they go 0-3.

and they only started 1 of 3 games altogether.

there is no argument against the positive impact we saw from the kids or that we shouldn't have seen it earlier. their judgement on this issue was more impaired than zack scott driving himself home on new years eve.


RE: RE: RE: RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 3:04 pm : link
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!


But it wouldn't mean shit without that stolen base by Mehscobar! Lol






double lol


One extra benefit of the kids  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2023 4:18 pm : link
They are all capable of hitting 30 HRs. Or let's say, together the four of them can hit 120 HRs.

Lindor will be a big beneficiary. He is so much better when he has a level swing than when he upper cuts to hit HRs. Like last night, he was just trying to drive in the run in the 10th and went with the pitch instead of trying to jack it.

Coming into this year, he was the Mets #2 power source. Next year, he will be #6 or maybe even #7.

Much rather have Lindor hitting .290 with 15 HRs than .220 with 25 HRs
Here are replays of the last half-innings of 2 of the last 3 wins:  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 4:53 pm : link
Full Bottom 10th of Mets Comeback vs CLE | SNY Feed | CLE vs NYM | May 19th, 2023

Full Bottom of the 10th of Mets Comeback vs Rays | SNY Feed | TB vs NYM | May 17th, 2023
Looks like Gimenez  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2023 5:24 pm : link
came back to Earth this year.

what a putrid season for him so far.

Rosario has been worse (offensively and defensively).
RE: Looks like Gimenez  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/20/2023 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16120317 pjcas18 said:
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came back to Earth this year.

what a putrid season for him so far.

Rosario has been worse (offensively and defensively).


If Cleveland fan twitter is any indication, they are done with Rosario
Mauricio with his 20th double tonight in 44 games  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2023 9:05 pm : link
Average up to .360

In May  
Vanzetti : 5/20/2023 9:10 pm : link
Mauricio has only struck out 7 times in 78 PAs

Batting .417 in May

Numbers updated to include today's game
RE: In May  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 9:20 pm : link
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Mauricio has only struck out 7 times in 78 PAs

Batting .417 in May

Numbers updated to include today's game


Wow. The improvement over last season is massive. Imagine what he'll be by next season. I can see him possibly being brought up around the trade deadline around the end of July. Lots of roster shakeups have to take place between now and then though. I'm perfectly fine with Luis G staying at Triple A the rest of the year if there's no place for him on the roster btw.
the crazy thing with mauricio is the total XBH if you add his steals  
Eric on Li : 5/20/2023 10:26 pm : link
he had his 9th steal today, so that may as well be 9 more XBH on top of the fact that he already leads the league already.

in 43 games he has 28 xbh which is more than anyone in the big leagues even having played a handful more games.

now add the 9 steals and you have 37 xbh. he is basically on pace for like 130 on the year. last year judge led mlb with 90 + 16 steals. he led the next closest guys by more than 10. so currently Mauricio on pace to obliterate that.

Freddie Freeman currently leads MLB with 26 in 47 games + 6 steals.

Acuna has 24 xbh + 18 steals. Pretty sure he's the only guy at with more combined xbh/steals than Mauricio.

this isn't an aberation by the way. last year in 123 games mauricio had 26 homers, 26 2b, 2 3b, 20 steals. so 74 in 100 games means he was pacing for right around 100 xbh + sb last year too.
When I see Mauricio at the plate..  
moze1021 : 5/21/2023 6:41 am : link
I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...

If I recall correctly, there was a list put out by someone of the Top  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 10:10 am : link
100 prospects in the minors and Mauricio wasn't included.
RE: If I recall correctly, there was a list put out by someone of the Top  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16120508 Optimus-NY said:
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100 prospects in the minors and Mauricio wasn't included.


He is on it (#99 from BA, #94 from MLB), Vientos was not.

RE: RE: If I recall correctly, there was a list put out by someone of the Top  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 10:31 am : link
In comment 16120509 pjcas18 said:
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100 prospects in the minors and Mauricio wasn't included.



He is on it (#99 from BA, #94 from MLB), Vientos was not.


Ah, ok. Thanks. 99 and 94 are pretty low though, but then he wasn't putting these numbers up when they compiled it.
i think preseason mauricio had fallen off the lists and has moved back  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 10:39 am : link
as other players have graduated from promotions.
here you can see he was actually off the main pre-2023 lists  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 10:45 am : link
which was especially odd given a good year last year, and probably his most impressive accomplishment to date was his winter league performance (which was at a level considered to be AAA equivalent).

keith law had him #87 (down from #40 the year prior). fangraphs had him #90.



i know these prospect writers don't want it to be as simple as the guys with the best numbers are the best players but i think sometimes they have a tendency to overcomplicate whatever the obvious is.
RE: When I see Mauricio at the plate..  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16120472 moze1021 said:
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I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...


dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.
tomas nido's career high season is 4 homers  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 10:51 am : link
Joe Pantorno
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Francisco Alvarez in his last 11 games: .270/.372/.676 (1.048 OPS), 4 HR, 7 RBI
Thanks for the 411 Eric.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 10:54 am : link
That stat about Nidon't is something else. He needs to go the way of McCann't and the Dodo.
looks like buck did the exact opposite of my guesses  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 10:55 am : link


unless he's planning to play them both games, not playing marte/escobar vs bieber seems like an odd choice.

Gonna be interesting to see what Buck does today.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:02 am : link
Alvy and Vientos better be in the lineup for the nightcap of today's doubleheader.
Lineup  
GF1080 : 5/21/2023 11:06 am : link
Should we start a DH thread? Anyways should be at least 2 of 3 baby Mets in both games of the DH so Buck failed already.
RE: Gonna be interesting to see what Buck does today.  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 11:07 am : link
In comment 16120534 Optimus-NY said:
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Alvy and Vientos better be in the lineup for the nightcap of today's doubleheader.


they have to be, the big question is if he plays baty both? there's no reason to play vientos at 3b, he should either dh or play 1b so alonso can dh 1 of the 2 games.

so does he start escobar in both games or does he start baty in both?

presumably mcneil comes into 2b, and canha or pham or both get starts in COF if marte doesnt play both.
I'm gonna start a Game thread now that we have the lineups for Game 1.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:09 am : link
Gimmee a few minutes and we can move our chat there.
Here's the thread for both games of the Doublheader today:  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:16 am : link
We can continue our chin wag there. This one's getting buried now and is from the game two days ago. There'll be plenty to talk about today I'm sure, lol. Link is below...


NFT: Mets Doublheader thread for both games today - 1:40 pm start - ( New Window )
RE: Lineup  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16120535 GF1080 said:
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Should we start a DH thread? Anyways should be at least 2 of 3 baby Mets in both games of the DH so Buck failed already.


Started.
RE: RE: When I see Mauricio at the plate..  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 16120529 Eric on Li said:
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I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...




dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.


Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).

I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.



RE: RE: RE: When I see Mauricio at the plate..  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 11:51 am : link
In comment 16120549 pjcas18 said:
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I am always a bit reminded of Alfonso Soriano... and then you go and post that Eric, which is basically saying he's a similar xbh/sb machine...




dont quote me on this but i think law has made that same comparison. something in the soriano/baez realm seems like a reasonable upside outcome. his profile isnt that far off rosario's except with more power, and rosario with more power would be a very good player.



Mauricio is too big for me to see Soriano (not comparing results or comp, just a visual).

I am not comparing the players, just their size/style and I see a lefty Arod in Mauricio (and comparing him to a righty batter doesn't seem like a stretch Soriano was also a righty like Arod) when I see Mauricio (most of his highlights seem lefty but he does have good righty numbers too). The size, the leg kick, etc. the thick body. Soriano seemed thin to me, so visually Mauricio and he are not similar to me.




soriano was definitely wiry and agreed mauricio looks likely to fill out at least 20-30 pounds heavier than the 195 soriano was listed at. the soriano comps made more sense a couple years ago in brooklyn when mauricio was still like 180.

i dont know if i have a great visual comp because mauricio looks to have more of an upper cut to me than a-rod. visually his stroke isn't the prettiest so i see some of the swing/miss concern with him beyond the #s - but soriano and baez obviously had/have a lot of swing/miss so i think that kind of outcome seems reasonable even though he'll look different doing it.

a taller/thinner devers may not be the worst visual comp. mauricio is already listed at 222 so who knows how big he'll end up.
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