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Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 6:44 pm


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No matter what happens  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:19 pm : link
The Mets are fun to watch again.

Not the bullpen of course, but overall.

METS WIN, METS WIN, METS WIN!!!!  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:20 pm : link
LINDOR!!!
What a turnaround!  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
Play the kids!!!
Alvy taking the extra base  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
crucial

Lindor comes through again. Not having a great year but has come through in some big spots
Vientos HR is looking like the turning point of the season  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 10:21 pm : link
Right now.

Amazing
Great win….  
Metnut : 5/19/2023 10:22 pm : link
Wow. Gutsy 3 days here might’ve saved the season.
bye bye Nido  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:22 pm : link
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God I love baseball!  
Dennis : 5/19/2023 10:23 pm : link
Rips your heart out one night, gives it back to you in a silver chalice the next.
What a great win.
This lineup  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:23 pm : link
is a killer
This team is fucking set up  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:24 pm : link
Jettison fucking Buck like the Yanks did and let’s go on a 20 year run with the kids.
23-23!  
spike : 5/19/2023 10:24 pm : link
Watch out, Marlins! and Braves!
So to re-cap  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:25 pm : link
Mets were down by 2 going into the 10th...

Marte flies out.

Vientos gets a RBI hit to bring them within 1.

Vogey strikes out.

Alvarez gets the game tying RBI hit after Escobar steals as a pinch runner, getting the run home represented by Vientos' single.

Nimmo extends the inning with the infield hit.

And Lindor wins it with the walk-off single.

This after homers by Alvarez, Baty, and of course, Pete.

And they needed all of it. And all 3 of "the baby Mets" were crucial in getting this win.

LFGM - PLAY THE KIDS!
Great game  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/19/2023 10:30 pm : link
But got to get rid of Buck asap
Amazin'!  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:32 pm : link
Put ANOTHER one in the books!


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Kids need to play  
larryflower37 : 5/19/2023 10:34 pm : link
The rest of the season very rare for 3 players to come up and play this well.
Mets were down  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:35 pm : link
5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."
RE: Mets were down  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16120051 allstarjim said:
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5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."


Watching it now. lol. Wanna smack him into retirement.
Snippet from Buck's Postgame Presser  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 10:41 pm : link
these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:46 pm : link
imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.
Pete in postgame interview  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 10:52 pm : link
After wrapping up the contributions of Vientos, Alvarez, and Baty...

"They've fit right in, they're ready, they're professionals."
and yes 2 games is a small sample size but we need to remember  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:53 pm : link
this isn't just 2 games. it was all spring, last year in limited action, and obviously every day in AAA.



103mph exit velocity and an 85% hh rate is not sustainable. his spring training numbers may not be sustainable either because they are basically aaron judge - 98mph and a 63%. but maybe we should let the freaking guy play at least until his numbers fall below the threshold of "destroyer of worlds"?
RE: Mets were down  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 10:55 pm : link
In comment 16120051 allstarjim said:
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5-0
7-3
and 9-7 going into the bottom of the 10th.

And they win.

Buck was struggling in that answer about the kids' contributions in the 10th postgame presser.

Then says, "Big stolen base by Escobar."


And this is why Mets fans here are tired of Buck, RORY.

And it’s why Buck is a good manager that never wins it all…cause he’s kinda short-minded, stubborn dick.
Can you ask for a more exciting game in May?  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/19/2023 10:56 pm : link
What a team victory
the first question to buck in postgame was  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 10:57 pm : link
"whats been different the last few games?"

buck's answer:

"they were just tired of losing"

not sure that captures it all buck.
Why is it so hard to get a normal fucking manager  
CooperDash : 5/19/2023 11:02 pm : link
that recognizes talent and just wants to win? Buck is such a slave to veterans and also thinks his shit doesn’t stink. If Buck would just embrace the youth, we’d be unstoppable. I guess we’ll see. But he STILL couldn’t help himself in his postgame presser. Still feel the need to praise Escobar over the kids that actually WON the game? Fuck that guy.
Mets are only a game and a half out of a playoff spot.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:03 pm : link


Mets are also at .500 again


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Baby Mets in their first game together...  
moze1021 : 5/19/2023 11:05 pm : link
5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!
RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 11:07 pm : link
In comment 16120055 Eric on Li said:
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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.


They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.
RE: Why is it so hard to get a normal fucking manager  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:10 pm : link
In comment 16120066 CooperDash said:
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that recognizes talent and just wants to win? Buck is such a slave to veterans and also thinks his shit doesn’t stink. If Buck would just embrace the youth, we’d be unstoppable. I guess we’ll see. But he STILL couldn’t help himself in his postgame presser. Still feel the need to praise Escobar over the kids that actually WON the game? Fuck that guy.


Spot effing on, especially that second line you stated that's underlined above. He is an arrogant lil' fella, isn't he? It's not about winning at all costs with him. It's about being right. I'll take being wrong and winning ten times out of ten. Buck, for all of his raw intelligence, is a slave to his mentality. He has his pets and, if he had his druthers, wouldn't have these kids up here, even if they are the best options for winning ball games. Fireable offense really.
Just to play devil's advocate with Buck.  
BigBlue in Keys : 5/19/2023 11:11 pm : link
And I agree the kids gotta play. But this could be trying to keep them from getting over confident and still working hard for the managers affection. Like that teacher in school who didn't believe in giving A+'s because there was always room for improvement. He also probably wants to keep the older guys engaged and encouraged that are losing their spots. They still have a roll and we'll need them.

I mean he's got to see those guys weren't getting it done, these kids are, and they're the future right?
RE: Baby Mets in their first game together...  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16120068 moze1021 said:
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5-13, 2 HRs 1 double and 4 RBIs...

Can't ask for much more than that!!


Another good one from mayer  
Eric on Li : 5/19/2023 11:22 pm : link
Emmanuel Clase came into Friday against the Mets having never allowed more than 3 hits in any of his 192 appearances.

The Mets got 4 hits (2 by rookies) off Clase in their comeback win.

I will give Buck this, he could have hit vogey for Vientos and hit canha vs clase since he’s a reverse split guy. He let Vientos hit. After today I think he has to see the obvious. Marte and vogey didn’t get close. The kids went up to hit and they did it. There will be slumps and the vets may get hot later but right now ride the young guys. They have the talent and they are ready for the moment.

RE: RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
allstarjim : 5/19/2023 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16120069 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16120055 Eric on Li said:


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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.



They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.


I agree with you. Watching Mauricio, he has the look to me of a corner OF type of player. If he can play 2B everyday, the Mets will be better for it. Either way, the clock is now ticking on getting him up to the big club. He does need to work on defense, but imagine all 4 of these guys really working out to be tremendous hitters. What a young core the Mets would have, and you keep Pete in the mix, with Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil that's 8 tremendous players in the lineup, and you have a potential 9th perhaps coming to Queens for 2024 next year in Shohei. Then all you have to do is find your everyday LFer.

Can you imagine a team with a 1-9 in no particular order:

Nimmo CF
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Ohtani DH
Alonso 1B
Baty LF
Alvarez C
Mauricio 2B
McNeil RF

And yeah, that's not including Marte. There's really not room for all these guys. Need Marte to get going again. The Mets have two more years under contract with him after this one.

The one thing if everybody sticks and if Marte can get back to playing close to his baseball card again, you can still have a 1-9 that's absolutely devastating, and you can move guys around and still give someone a rest.

RE: Just to play devil's advocate with Buck.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16120072 BigBlue in Keys said:
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And I agree the kids gotta play. But this could be trying to keep them from getting over confident and still working hard for the managers affection. Like that teacher in school who didn't believe in giving A+'s because there was always room for improvement. He also probably wants to keep the older guys engaged and encouraged that are losing their spots. They still have a roll and we'll need them.

I mean he's got to see those guys weren't getting it done, these kids are, and they're the future right?


Good post. Mind games are all good and well, but my issue issue is that Buck really doesn't want to play these kids.
RE: Pete in postgame interview  
GF1080 : 5/19/2023 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16120057 allstarjim said:
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After wrapping up the contributions of Vientos, Alvarez, and Baty...

"They've fit right in, they're ready, they're professionals."


Pete for player/manager!

I had to DVR game so just finishing it up and the team looks totally different with these 3 extra bats. Some random thoughts.

Kids obviously the big difference in the lineup here. Buck post game embarrassing. Buck throwing Ottavino and Robertson this much early is scary but I honestly don't know what else he could do. Need some pitching from somewhere. Josh Walker going back down might be a mistake considering all the slop we have in the pen.
RE: RE: RE: these last 3 games have been the most exciting since august vs philly  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16120078 allstarjim said:
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In comment 16120055 Eric on Li said:


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imagine what could have been if they'd have maybe brought vientos up earlier last year and given him the at bats that went to ruf and naquin.

vientos rbi single in the 10th was 105.8 mph.

since coming up he has 7 batted balls. a hard hit ball is over 95 mph, vientos has hit 6 of them over 99 mph. 5 of those 6 over 102 mph. his avg exit velocity before tonight was 103 mph. his hard hit rate is 85%. there are only 20 guys in MLB above 50%. baty is the only other met (54%).

aaron judge has the highest average exit velo at 96 and the 2nd best hh% at 62%. alonso's avg ev is 90 mph and his hh% is 43%.

as long as vientos hh% is over 50% he should be in the lineup every day. it is as simple as that.

it is not hyperbole to say that the 3 kids have the most explosive bats in the lineup other than alonso and of the 3 vientos has the most. and that the 3 is probably 4 with mauricio.

ill give eppler credit for 1 thing and that is keeping all 4 and only mildly blocking them with a few limp traffic cones (and 1 XXXXL traffic cone). the fact that they can pretty easily shift mcneil to LF and put Mauricio at 2b to allow all 4 a path to playing every day by the end of the year is eppler's greatest accomplishment.



They can also put Mauricio in RF. Kid has a cannon for an arm.

With Marte's poor start and possible post-concussion syndrome, the fact that they are not giving Mauricio any reps in OF is absurd. There is zero downside to giving a guy some starts in the OF especially when he is fast like Mauricio.

2B is a way harder position to master. And the 2B is involved in way more plays than a RF, meaning his negative defensive impact is potentially much, much higher. In fact, it is probably the second hardest position after catcher. Whereas any athletic player gain competence at corner OF spots. And if you have the eye-glove-ball coordination to play SS, you can definitely play RF.



I agree with you. Watching Mauricio, he has the look to me of a corner OF type of player. If he can play 2B everyday, the Mets will be better for it. Either way, the clock is now ticking on getting him up to the big club. He does need to work on defense, but imagine all 4 of these guys really working out to be tremendous hitters. What a young core the Mets would have, and you keep Pete in the mix, with Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil that's 8 tremendous players in the lineup, and you have a potential 9th perhaps coming to Queens for 2024 next year in Shohei. Then all you have to do is find your everyday LFer.

Can you imagine a team with a 1-9 in no particular order:

Nimmo CF
Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Ohtani DH
Alonso 1B
Baty LF
Alvarez C
Mauricio 2B
McNeil RF

And yeah, that's not including Marte. There's really not room for all these guys. Need Marte to get going again. The Mets have two more years under contract with him after this one.

The one thing if everybody sticks and if Marte can get back to playing close to his baseball card again, you can still have a 1-9 that's absolutely devastating, and you can move guys around and still give someone a rest.


Mauricio has really filled out. Not the skinny kid we saw in the past. He is built like a Linebacker now. Just don't see him at 2B

Also, he appears to have turned his career around in winterball. Making a lot more contact. Compared to last year, his average is 100 points higher and his strikeouts are down 30%.

Mets ought to hire whoever worked with him in Winterball.
Heads up and a look forward to tomorrow's 4:10 pm (EDT) game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:35 pm : link

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Mets' Probable Pitchers - May 20, 2023

Scherzer needs to step up. Case closed. He can load up on the KY at home tonight if he needs to...
Marte's a guy they might want to think about dealing at some point.  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2023 11:47 pm : link
He's under contract through the end of the 2025 season. He's also injury prone and 34 years old now. He's another guy they need to think about, if not in-season for some pitching, then in the offseason.
My typing sucks on this device.  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 12:05 am : link
I meant that the Mets should consider trading Marte at some point either during the season or this coming off-season.
The spark has definitely been lit  
moespree : 5/20/2023 12:26 am : link
There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.

The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.
RE: The spark has definitely been lit  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 12:41 am : link
In comment 16120091 moespree said:
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There's a history in this sport in particular of calling young players up to ignite a lethargic veteran team. Mets just saw it first hand last season with Atlanta. It does save seasons.

The pitching needs to improve significantly. If they can get that right they'll get on a real roll and start to climb back up.


They've also played a lot of road games to start the season. If I'm not mistaken, they've played 27 of these first 46 games so far on the road. Verlander and Quintana were also out. Verlander is back now. Quintana will be back in about a month, unless I'm wrong about his timetable, so those right there are two big pluses on the ledger in addition to more home games. The kids are up now too giving this team juice. It's all right there. The onus is on management to make the right roster decisions and trades for relief pitching and Buck to play the right guys---two things that are worrisome, to be quite frank.
Thank goodness  
spike : 5/20/2023 7:32 am : link
we dont have to see Nido's automatic out again.
Our bullpen  
spike : 5/20/2023 7:36 am : link
will be this team's Achilles heel. Maybe Peterson can be converted to be a long man in the pen.
RE: Thank goodness  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 7:56 am : link
In comment 16120113 spike said:
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we dont have to see Nido's automatic out again.


Make him the bunting coach
RE: Our bullpen  
KDavies : 5/20/2023 8:03 am : link
In comment 16120114 spike said:
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will be this team's Achilles heel. Maybe Peterson can be converted to be a long man in the pen.


Bullpen will be the easiest thing to improve. Josh Walker/Lavender may be internal backend options. Come playoff time, you are going 3/4 starters. Without adding a starter, Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, and a 4th guy. Let’s say Quintana. That gives you Megill in the bullpen where he should be effective. Trade for a couple bullpen guys. You could go Robertson, Chapman, Ottavino, other bullpen pickup, Megill, Smith, Brigham, Peterson as a long man. Should be plenty. Could also see Vasil as a bullpen option this year. He has barely exceeded 80 innings in his career. But maybe he could be an option as a bullpen guy this year to keep his innings down
Just 6 NL teams above 500  
spike : 5/20/2023 8:24 am : link
with the Mets at 500, half a game behind the Marlins.

They should be in the WC race all season.
Cool stat via @OptaSTATS on Twitter  
moze1021 : 5/20/2023 8:28 am : link
Francisco Álvarez of the @Mets has delivered a game-tying hit with his team down to its last out in each of his last 2 games played (Wednesday & today).

Only one other MLB player in the last 10 years has done that in back-to-back games played: Albert Pujols (April 9 & 11, 2017).
What are the chances  
JayBinQueens : 5/20/2023 10:44 am : link
They get this game in and, any advice which section to look at to not be sitting in the rain if they play?
RE: What are the chances  
dannysection 313 : 5/20/2023 11:10 am : link
In comment 16120164 JayBinQueens said:
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They get this game in and, any advice which section to look at to not be sitting in the rain if they play?


Game postponed...double dip tomorrow....
Mets Rainout announcement on Tweetuh  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2023 11:20 am : link



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