As Knick fans, I think we all agree this is another big off season for the overall direction of the franchise. Leon Rose has drafted very well and has done an admirable job positioning the Knicks for long term success. Now the hard part begins, moving the Knicks from good to great.
Rumors abound that Harden goes back to Houston and could that have an impact on Embiid’s relationship with the team. I know there are some who are adamant that he’s not going anywhere but since this is a forum where hypotheticals (fantastical or not) can be discussed, I wanted to ask others what they think a package for Embiid would look like?
Obi, IQ, Grimes, Fournier, Rose + 6 firsts?
That being said what I think it would take to land embiid
Mitch
Quickley
Obi
Rj
24/26/28 unprotected. Swaps in 25/27 , maybe an additional 1st of the protected picks we have
For embiid and Pj tucker
Grimes, Obi, Mitchell Robinson to Philly
6 total first to philly
Immanuel Quickley and Quentin Grimes? Jericho Sims has also shown a little bit..
Mcbride has shown flashes of being a rotation player
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Leon Rose has drafted very well? Since he took over the basketball operation, he has drafted 1 player who had any relevance on the team and that’s Obi Toppin, which can be categorized as a mediocre to bad pick considering Haliburton was available.
Immanuel Quickley and Quentin Grimes? Jericho Sims has also shown a little bit..
Mcbride has shown flashes of being a rotation player
Exactly, starting 2 guard (Grimes), borderline 6th man of the year (IQ), 2 rotational players still with upside (McBride and Sims) and yes a polarizing/potential starter (Obi). A hell of a lot more hits than misses
the expiring of Fournier may be a bigger asset than people think..
Also rumors out of Chicago that they are done with their big 3 and will look to trade them
The Knicks are In a great spot, even though they need some upgrades, and shouldn’t blow up the roster and empty the cupboard for one guy. That’s what the Knicks have done over and over again (Carmelo trade?) and it hasn’t worked.
Since they don’t have a pick this year, trades seem likely. But no packages of 4 of their better players plus a bunch of picks, please. The Knicks are good enough to have to overpay to fill a spot in a deal with an also-ran, but not THAT much.
I would be interested in seeing Porzingis back with the Knicks but only with the understanding that his games and minutes have to be limited.
The Knicks are In a great spot, even though they need some upgrades, and shouldn’t blow up the roster and empty the cupboard for one guy. That’s what the Knicks have done over and over again (Carmelo trade?) and it hasn’t worked.
Since they don’t have a pick this year, trades seem likely. But no packages of 4 of their better players plus a bunch of picks, please. The Knicks are good enough to have to overpay to fill a spot in a deal with an also-ran, but not THAT much.
I would be interested in seeing Porzingis back with the Knicks but only with the understanding that his games and minutes have to be limited.
Really good post Dane.
You back up the truck for Giannis but not for Embiid
The only way they ever move Giannis if he asks out. They’re not going to just choose to punt and start over with the best player in the league on the roster.
Unless there is some back channel communications from his confidants that say he wants to come to NY it would be foolish to just sit around waiting for him to maybe, possibly ask for a trade at some point.
I doubt they go this route, but I wish they’d go all in on finding a new home for Randle. I get it that he’s an All-NBA level player, but he’s shown over the last 3 years that he isn’t a winning player. He has a little too much Harden in him when the pressure gets too high.
It’s just hard to find a match because coming off of a season like we just had, you aren’t going to just unload him for assets. They need to get something back that’s going to improve the team. You basically have to wait for a 3 team trade where Randle goes to a team with a package of assets, that team sends those assets to a third team, and the third team gets additional stuff from the Knicks and sends “win now” piece or pieces to the Knicks. For example, since he was mentioned already, Embiid to the Knicks, Randle to a third team for a young player and draft compensation, Knicks divert whatever they get for Randle plus our own picks and young players to Philly.
I know it’s not a popular opionion but I would explore a Randle for KAT trade. I feel like he’s a good buy low candidate and could resurrect his career somewhat coming back home to the Knicks. Big contract but he’s only 27.
Would Minny consider an even swap ?
I know it’s not a popular opionion but I would explore a Randle for KAT trade. I feel like he’s a good buy low candidate and could resurrect his career somewhat coming back home to the Knicks. Big contract but he’s only 27.
Would Minny consider an even swap ?
You know my takes on Randle, no one likes him more than I do but I might do that trade too. I’m not even sure how I feel about Kat but I am warming to the idea of him coming to the Knicks. Maybe. I’m taking the approach no guts no glory. If the Knicks trust Kat so do I.
I agree - others can make better offers
After this and with Brunson, this is a place guys will want to come.
They just have to follow up this year with another good year. They obviously need a stretch 5. Hartenstein does not look like he can extend his range to hit threes. So I would like to see them get a 7 footer who can hit a three.
Knicks are not far from being a team who can win it.
I agree. A total longshot. Rose should put in an offer but don't waste the offseason pursuing something that is very likely not going to happen.
As for Miami when did Caleb Martin become Alex English
As for Miami when did Caleb Martin become Alex English
KP's a great player when he's healthy, but his career has been riddled with injuries.
If Philly is blowing it up and rebuilding why do they care where Embiid goes? These guys get to go pretty much wherever they want to go. Harden wanted Brooklyn and then Philly? He got traded to Brooklyn and then Philly. Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? The Nets sent him to Phoenix. Anthony Davis wanted to go to the Lakers, guess what? He went to the Lakers. These teams bend over backwards to accommodate the players and their agents, nobody wants to be the organization that is looked at as difficult to work with because then that will be the last star that makes an effort to go there.
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Why would they? Even if Embiid asks for a trade they have little pressure to accommodate him. He’s got 3 more years on his contract. And if they do decide to deal him the Knicks would be one if the last places they’d want to send him. It would end up just like last summer with Mitchell. Morey will dangle him all summer to drive the price up and then deal him elsewhere.
If Philly is blowing it up and rebuilding why do they care where Embiid goes? These guys get to go pretty much wherever they want to go. Harden wanted Brooklyn and then Philly? He got traded to Brooklyn and then Philly. Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? The Nets sent him to Phoenix. Anthony Davis wanted to go to the Lakers, guess what? He went to the Lakers. These teams bend over backwards to accommodate the players and their agents, nobody wants to be the organization that is looked at as difficult to work with because then that will be the last star that makes an effort to go there.
That is mostly true, but Morey and Ainge last year don’t care as much
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Why would they? Even if Embiid asks for a trade they have little pressure to accommodate him. He’s got 3 more years on his contract. And if they do decide to deal him the Knicks would be one if the last places they’d want to send him. It would end up just like last summer with Mitchell. Morey will dangle him all summer to drive the price up and then deal him elsewhere.
If Philly is blowing it up and rebuilding why do they care where Embiid goes? These guys get to go pretty much wherever they want to go. Harden wanted Brooklyn and then Philly? He got traded to Brooklyn and then Philly. Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? The Nets sent him to Phoenix. Anthony Davis wanted to go to the Lakers, guess what? He went to the Lakers. These teams bend over backwards to accommodate the players and their agents, nobody wants to be the organization that is looked at as difficult to work with because then that will be the last star that makes an effort to go there.
That is mostly true, but Morey and Ainge last year don’t care as much
Morey probably isn’t the type that’s just going to send a guy to his chosen destination, but he also isn’t going to refuse a trade to NY if he feels that gets him the best package.
As for Ainge, there’s probably a reason the Celtics had a reputation for years of not being able to land free agents while he was there. It was an ongoing narrative until Stevens was able to deliver Hayward based on the college connection. Also, he’s in Utah, no free agents are going to go there regardless so you don’t have to worry about scaring anyone away.
lol. Wow.
I disagree. I think Denver is winning it all.
Like, come on.
Can't blame them. Knicks have one reliably productive player (Brunson) and they're not trading him.
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Not a chance. The Knicks are over the cap and can only offer the mid-level exception. He can command far more than that.
Yes, every other aspect held up vs Miami, except shooting - 5% better accuracy would’ve at the very least gotten them to game 7.
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What about signing Brook Lopez? Likely have to trade Mitch if you sign lopez, but lopez is an excellent defender and can hit the 3.
Not a chance. The Knicks are over the cap and can only offer the mid-level exception. He can command far more than that.
he made 13 last year, mid level is 12
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In comment 16120434 GMEN46 said:
Lopez will get 20m plus - his value has grown along with something called inflation
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What about signing Brook Lopez? Likely have to trade Mitch if you sign lopez, but lopez is an excellent defender and can hit the 3.
Not a chance. The Knicks are over the cap and can only offer the mid-level exception. He can command far more than that.
he made 13 last year, mid level is 12
I still think the Knicks could have beaten the Heat, however.
In the 7-8 game in Miami, Hawks led virtually wire-to-wire; up by 15 at the half; 13 going into the 4th; Heat never got closer than six.
In the 8-or-out game, also in Miami, the Bulls (the sub-.500 Bulls) led going into the 4th and Heat didn't take the lead for good until 2:17 remaining.
Knicks trailed the entire second half of all three losses in Miami, as well as the entire 4Q of the game they lost at MSG.
What does it amount to? The supposedly "good" teams have fundamental flaws because there is a shortage of actually good players in their prime. The number one seed Bucks had three starters well over 30 years old and, good grief, Grayson Allen. The Sixers' and Celtics' flaws could also be cataloged.
The glass half full is that the league is wide open and the Knicks could have as good a chance as anyone. The glass half empty is that other teams' flaws don't mean the Knicks' own flawed players will be enough to get them over the hump.
The state of the league also means the Sixers would be crazy to let go of an actually good (great) player in Embiid.
Just as bad as your football takes lol. He drafted Quickley and Grimes who are both more important to the team than Obi.
In the 7-8 game in Miami, Hawks led virtually wire-to-wire; up by 15 at the half; 13 going into the 4th; Heat never got closer than six.
In the 8-or-out game, also in Miami, the Bulls (the sub-.500 Bulls) led going into the 4th and Heat didn't take the lead for good until 2:17 remaining.
Knicks trailed the entire second half of all three losses in Miami, as well as the entire 4Q of the game they lost at MSG.
What does it amount to? The supposedly "good" teams have fundamental flaws because there is a shortage of actually good players in their prime. The number one seed Bucks had three starters well over 30 years old and, good grief, Grayson Allen. The Sixers' and Celtics' flaws could also be cataloged.
The glass half full is that the league is wide open and the Knicks could have as good a chance as anyone. The glass half empty is that other teams' flaws don't mean the Knicks' own flawed players will be enough to get them over the hump.
The state of the league also means the Sixers would be crazy to let go of an actually good (great) player in Embiid.
Knicks trailed by 3 with under 5 minutes to play in game one despite no Julius Randle and the team missing an incomprehensible number of WIDE open threes. They also had the ball down 2 with 30 seconds to play in game six when Brunson turned the ball over.
That’s what made games three and four so sickening. The issue was simply lack of effort. That reflected poorly on the coach IMO.
Macri wrote today that Morey is planning to sell Embid on a 1 year rebuild with $72m in cap space the following year. Also, mentioned Portland as a team to watch if they do trade Embid.
I still think the Knicks could have beaten the Heat, however.
Came within one or two possessions of forcing a game 7.
Still need to improve.