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NFT: Knicks Offseason

DaShotel13 : 5/20/2023 9:22 am
As Knick fans, I think we all agree this is another big off season for the overall direction of the franchise. Leon Rose has drafted very well and has done an admirable job positioning the Knicks for long term success. Now the hard part begins, moving the Knicks from good to great.

Rumors abound that Harden goes back to Houston and could that have an impact on Embiid’s relationship with the team. I know there are some who are adamant that he’s not going anywhere but since this is a forum where hypotheticals (fantastical or not) can be discussed, I wanted to ask others what they think a package for Embiid would look like?

Obi, IQ, Grimes, Fournier, Rose + 6 firsts?
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RE: RE: Embiid is definitely in the picture  
ajr2456 : 5/22/2023 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16121017 Pete44 said:
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But they’re not going to overpay. I’d expect them to add shooters at the wing and someone like Naz Reid up front and wait for the next star to shake loose. Their eyes on Giannis as the #1 because all the smoke is he’ll leave but that’s still a year or two away.



Macri wrote today that Morey is planning to sell Embid on a 1 year rebuild with $72m in cap space the following year. Also, mentioned Portland as a team to watch if they do trade Embid.


Highly unlikely Embiid ends up in Portland
Name the Knicks best 6 first round picks in the last 20 years  
Kmed6000 : 5/22/2023 4:46 pm : link
KP
Obi
RJ Barrett
David Lee
Danillo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler

You wouldn't trade that for Embiid? Or Michael Jordan LOL.

Not only that, some of these picks were lottery picks, knicks probably won't have a lottery pick for a little while.
RE: Name the Knicks best 6 first round picks in the last 20 years  
nygiants16 : 5/22/2023 5:09 pm : link
In comment 16121289 Kmed6000 said:
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KP
Obi
RJ Barrett
David Lee
Danillo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler

You wouldn't trade that for Embiid? Or Michael Jordan LOL.

Not only that, some of these picks were lottery picks, knicks probably won't have a lottery pick for a little while.


agreed never understood why people refuse to trade draft pivks...Currency of hope as Hahn would say
I only do it for a mega star and Embiid  
Kmed6000 : 5/22/2023 5:24 pm : link
certainly fits the bill.
Have you seen how posters treat the Giants' picks?  
Mike from SI : 5/22/2023 5:29 pm : link
Half of all picks in the first round pretty much bust out, and people lose their sh** when we trade a 3rd rounder. Basketball is slightly easier insofar as there's a lower bust rate, but good/great players get passed over constantly.
We aren’t getting embid here (and that’s ok)  
djm : 5/22/2023 9:43 pm : link
I’ll say it until I’m dead or until proven otherwise. Philly will never trade an nba superstar to the Knicks. Never. Odds embid even gets traded anywhere are slim.

Plenty of other options although not sure about center right this moment.
I also tend to think that other than center  
djm : 5/22/2023 9:48 pm : link
The Knicks have a very good chance to improve simply from within. Grimes, IQ will be even better next year. RJ seems to have found his offensive game and shot and likely improves going forward. Knicks will improve organically but center seems to be a finished product.

More than any other position the center spot needs an infusion of talent, especially of the offensive skill set. Where we getting that…
Towns doing his Donovan Mitchell impersonation  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2023 7:17 pm : link
showing up in NY, with the Yankees throwing out the first pitch..Its the old hey i love NY, trade fkr me without aaking for a trade
I just can't get  
Enzo : 5/23/2023 7:23 pm : link
past the money owed with KAT. Same with Dame and Beal.
RE: I just can't get  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2023 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16122153 Enzo said:
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past the money owed with KAT. Same with Dame and Beal.


Its a lot, but the saving grace would be that the cap is supposed to skyrocket and the Knicks have no max guys on their roster..

I am not even a big fan of Towns but if it invokves Randle i would ubderstsnd it because Towns fits better next to Brunson
RE: I just can't get  
Anakim : 5/23/2023 7:36 pm : link
In comment 16122153 Enzo said:
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past the money owed with KAT. Same with Dame and Beal.


Ditto. I'd rather have KAT than Randle, but that back-ended deal is disgusting. Minnesota would have to eat a large chunk of it in order for me to be interested.
RE: RE: I just can't get  
nygiants16 : 5/23/2023 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16122162 Anakim said:
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past the money owed with KAT. Same with Dame and Beal.



Ditto. I'd rather have KAT than Randle, but that back-ended deal is disgusting. Minnesota would have to eat a large chunk of it in order for me to be interested.


If you could do it without having to give up a first and you still have all your assets to add more..its a no brainer it hink
RE: RE: I just can't get  
Enzo : 5/23/2023 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16122162 Anakim said:
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past the money owed with KAT. Same with Dame and Beal.



Ditto. I'd rather have KAT than Randle, but that back-ended deal is disgusting. Minnesota would have to eat a large chunk of it in order for me to be interested.

teams can't retain money on their books when they trade a player. If the Knicks traded for KAT, 100% of the money hits their cap.

if they trade  
Enzo : 5/23/2023 8:37 pm : link
for KAT I guess you can talk yourself into it based on his age and unique skillset. Maybe this is the time to get aggressive and add talent before the new cap rules kick in - which supposedly get really restrictive once you exceed the cap.

Brunson is "cheap" for only 2 more years and then he's gonna want one of these crazy deals. Same with Randle (lol). That's part of why Mitchel would have made sense. He's locked in on a good deal for 2 years after this as well. Regardless, if and when Rose decides to pay a guy the super max or trade for someone already on it, he needs to be sure it's the right guy.
KAT has his flaws  
Knickstape : 5/23/2023 8:55 pm : link
But he works extremely well in a pairing with Brunson.
His offensive skill set is incredibly rare.

Issue would be your 1-5 are liabilities defensively. So you would just need to make sure 2-4 are stout defenders. Grimes fits that bill. You’d have to go and make some additional moves to make sure this roster compliments the Brunson Kat combo
Yeah I was kind of for a Randle-KAT swap  
Stu11 : 5/24/2023 9:38 am : link
But looked up that contract extension. WOOF. The more I look at it with the current possible trade options, I like the concept of bringing in Porzi and then maybe a shooter like Buddy Hield? They both are expiring next year and we could see how it works out with them on the roster next season and then decide going forward what we'd want to do contract wise with them. Another option is Zach Lavine instead of Hield he's just much pricier and long term contract wise.
LeBron????  
AROCK1000 : 5/24/2023 10:03 am : link
just sayin...
RE: LeBron????  
djm : 5/24/2023 11:52 am : link
In comment 16122389 AROCK1000 said:
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just sayin...


KNicks fans are weird. You have Tierney on WFAN yesterday saying NOPE because his poor little feelings are still hurt about the 2010 "decision."

Of course you go get Lebron. Every single Knicks fan would be giddy the second Lebron strolled on to the court wearing a Knicks uni.

If the cost wasn't too much you do it without a moment's hesitation.
Paying KAT 60 mill a year to be soft when it matters  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/24/2023 12:21 pm : link
would be infuriating.
RE: RE: LeBron????  
nygiants16 : 5/24/2023 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16122473 djm said:
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just sayin...



KNicks fans are weird. You have Tierney on WFAN yesterday saying NOPE because his poor little feelings are still hurt about the 2010 "decision."

Of course you go get Lebron. Every single Knicks fan would be giddy the second Lebron strolled on to the court wearing a Knicks uni.

If the cost wasn't too much you do it without a moment's hesitation.


I wouodnt trade for Lebron at this point, a few years ago, absolutely, but he isnt the guaranteed conference finals anymore..
wouldn't shock me if LeBron  
Enzo : 5/24/2023 12:34 pm : link
wanted to go to another team for his last couple of years. But if he did want to come here it would likely be for reasons other than winning. And if that's the case, they why would we bother?
Fuck Lebron.  
Kmed6000 : 5/24/2023 1:21 pm : link
I will stop watching basketball.
I think it will be interesting to see  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2023 2:08 pm : link
who is available this offseason and how the Knicks approach it. If Harden does leave, I can definitely see Embiid asking out. And if he asks specifically for NY, that's probably how it will go.

Wonder if the Front office would consider a move like getting Demarr Derozan on an expiring deal for much cheaper than Embiid would be and try to keep more of the current team intact.
Derozan  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:10 pm : link
is an excellent player but a pretty poor fit for a Knicks team that needs shooters/players that spread the floor
Lebron  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:13 pm : link
isn't leaving LA. Bronny at USC, Bryce enrolling in a new HS in LA. This is talk radio nothingness.
RE: Yeah I was kind of for a Randle-KAT swap  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16122376 Stu11 said:
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But looked up that contract extension. WOOF. The more I look at it with the current possible trade options, I like the concept of bringing in Porzi and then maybe a shooter like Buddy Hield? They both are expiring next year and we could see how it works out with them on the roster next season and then decide going forward what we'd want to do contract wise with them. Another option is Zach Lavine instead of Hield he's just much pricier and long term contract wise.


KP has a player option, only realistic way he'll be a Knick is on a sign and trade aka multi-year deal
RE: Derozan  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2023 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16122555 DanMetroMan said:
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is an excellent player but a pretty poor fit for a Knicks team that needs shooters/players that spread the floor


I dunno. He's an efficient offensive player. I think that the Knicks need efficacy more than anything else. I know it's a simplistic way to look at it, and spacing might be an issue, but maybe the creative offensive coaches on our staff could make the fit work.
RE: RE: Derozan  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16122567 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 16122555 DanMetroMan said:


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is an excellent player but a pretty poor fit for a Knicks team that needs shooters/players that spread the floor



I dunno. He's an efficient offensive player. I think that the Knicks need efficacy more than anything else. I know it's a simplistic way to look at it, and spacing might be an issue, but maybe the creative offensive coaches on our staff could make the fit work.


Not even trying to be snarky... what creativity did you see from the Knicks vs. Miami that leads you to believe they suddenly will craft a strong offense with another player who does his best damage with the ball and at mid-close range? Brunson was routinely running into excessive traffic because teams could sag against the Knicks.
I could see the Knicks and Pacers re-engaging  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2023 2:48 pm : link
on those Obi/Duarte talks from the trade deadline, or maybe the Knicks can grab a late first rounder from Indy - they have a couple of them (in addition to the seventh pick). Maybe Hield comes up in those talks.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:51 pm : link
expect Obi to be traded. The way he's been used = they likely feel they can cash in for a similar "level" player and then find a stretch 4. Obi was basically relegated to 3 point bomber.
Teams  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:52 pm : link
expect Toronto to be very, very active FWIW
I'll  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 2:56 pm : link
fantasize about Randle to Portland until they make a trade for another player (which is going to happen)
RE: Fuck Lebron.  
djm : 5/24/2023 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16122524 Kmed6000 said:
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I will stop watching basketball.




RE: Lebron  
djm : 5/24/2023 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16122556 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't leaving LA. Bronny at USC, Bryce enrolling in a new HS in LA. This is talk radio nothingness.


This I do believe.
RE: I'll  
djm : 5/24/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16122579 DanMetroMan said:
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fantasize about Randle to Portland until they make a trade for another player (which is going to happen)


If the Knicks loved one of the top 3 and they traded Randle for that 3rd overall pick....I might be ok with this if they landed a good PF in FA to mitigate Randle's departure. That said it would be a huge hole to fill but if you love that 3rd pick/player I would get the move.
RE: RE: RE: Derozan  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2023 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16122568 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16122555 DanMetroMan said:


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is an excellent player but a pretty poor fit for a Knicks team that needs shooters/players that spread the floor



I dunno. He's an efficient offensive player. I think that the Knicks need efficacy more than anything else. I know it's a simplistic way to look at it, and spacing might be an issue, but maybe the creative offensive coaches on our staff could make the fit work.



Not even trying to be snarky... what creativity did you see from the Knicks vs. Miami that leads you to believe they suddenly will craft a strong offense with another player who does his best damage with the ball and at mid-close range? Brunson was routinely running into excessive traffic because teams could sag against the Knicks.


Sorry, my bad.

I was being sarcastic with the creative minds comment.

I do think that he'd still find his shots here. But it wouldn't have to be him. I was just mentioning him as a lower cost alternative to an ALL IN trade.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 3:18 pm : link
suspect a team signs Reaves to a sheet, heck if we had the space I'd be advocating such a move. He's not a Lebron creation, the kid is talented



"Austin Reaves is the top free agent the Lakers will likely prioritize this summer. The second-year guard is one of the biggest undrafted success stories with a massive leap at the offensive end this season. He is set to become a restricted Early Bird free agent this offseason and the Lakers could have some challenges toward re-signing him.

They are limited to offering him four years, projected at $54 million, the maximum amount a team can re-sign their Early Bird free agents to. Teams with cap space can offer him an offer sheet for more money that, if matched by the Lakers, would have significantly higher cap hits on the backend. The most another team with cap space can offer him is projected at four years, $100.4 million."
RE: I  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2023 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16122597 DanMetroMan said:
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suspect a team signs Reaves to a sheet, heck if we had the space I'd be advocating such a move. He's not a Lebron creation, the kid is talented



"Austin Reaves is the top free agent the Lakers will likely prioritize this summer. The second-year guard is one of the biggest undrafted success stories with a massive leap at the offensive end this season. He is set to become a restricted Early Bird free agent this offseason and the Lakers could have some challenges toward re-signing him.

They are limited to offering him four years, projected at $54 million, the maximum amount a team can re-sign their Early Bird free agents to. Teams with cap space can offer him an offer sheet for more money that, if matched by the Lakers, would have significantly higher cap hits on the backend. The most another team with cap space can offer him is projected at four years, $100.4 million."


He feels like a Spurs kinda player. Or Utah. I can see either of those teams offering him a nice deal with the idea of screwing over the Lakers.
RE: I'll  
Pete44 : 5/24/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16122579 DanMetroMan said:
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fantasize about Randle to Portland until they make a trade for another player (which is going to happen)


Knicks are not looking to get into this draft and would never take the step pack of dealing Randle for a rookie.

If the Knicks trade Randle, they will want a similarly productive player back.
I haven't seen as much of Reaves as others here, but I'm wondering if  
Ira : 5/24/2023 5:57 pm : link
he's another Fournier.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/24/2023 7:00 pm : link
I could see the Spurs making a run for Reaves. San Antonio has a ton of cap space.
Macri’s doing a little Q&A tonight on YouTube.  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2023 10:19 pm : link
Says KP’s mea culpa interview during the season “didn’t go unnoticed” by Knicks brass.
Also talking up Donte DiVincenzo for the mid-level exemption.  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2023 10:34 pm : link
He’ll likely decline his player option ($4.5 million). Another Nova guy, played with Brunson and Hart.
RE: I haven't seen as much of Reaves as others here, but I'm wondering if  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16122686 Ira said:
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he's another Fournier.


Reaves is a much better all-around player than Fournier. He does all of the little things. He's a "winning" type of player.

.142 WS/48 this season. Fournier's best ever was .106, career .078

RAPTOR ranked Reaves 21st in the NBA this season, 29th in box score Raptor, 12th in on/of. If the Knicks had space I'd be all over him.

Hoopshype

"Growing into one of the best young guards in the league who is adept at drawing fouls, especially for his age, and can shoot the ball from three or from the midrange. Smooth feel for the game and gives good effort on defense."
One more from Macri….  
bceagle05 : 5/24/2023 11:43 pm : link
Bold prediction: One of Quickley or RJ will be moved for a “star-ish” player. Explanation is Hart will return and the mid-level will be used on a rotation player, so there will have to be a two-for-one type trade to balance things out.
Macri  
ElitoCanton : 5/25/2023 12:02 am : link
refuses to ever acknowledge how Thibs' coaching style hurts the team. He's an access pony at this point.
RE: Macri  
nygiants16 : 5/25/2023 7:20 am : link
In comment 16122838 ElitoCanton said:
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refuses to ever acknowledge how Thibs' coaching style hurts the team. He's an access pony at this point.


Your thinking of Anthony Donahue, Macri rips Thibs all the time
Reaves  
TommyWiseau : 5/25/2023 7:37 am : link
Can and is willing to play defense. Kid is a wizard at drawing fouls too. He would fit well here if there was some way we could swing signing him but I don’t know how he could fit.
RE: Macri’s doing a little Q&A tonight on YouTube.  
Enzo : 5/25/2023 8:54 am : link
In comment 16122811 bceagle05 said:
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Says KP’s mea culpa interview during the season “didn’t go unnoticed” by Knicks brass.

I guess that's *something*. But this front office obviously wasn't the one that traded him. I do think he really enjoyed playing in NY.

They could trade for him if he opts in and then extend him off of his current deal which would be a big number. But then between him and iHart you have a lot of money committed at center which may not be the best allocation of cap money.
RE: Macri  
djm : 5/25/2023 9:19 am : link
In comment 16122838 ElitoCanton said:
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refuses to ever acknowledge how Thibs' coaching style hurts the team. He's an access pony at this point.


lol ok then
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