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Any thoughts on Aaron Robinson at SS?

mittenedman : 5/20/2023 1:49 pm
I thought he did a good job at CB last year, but I also think the top 3 CBs on the team are Jackson, Banks and Flott. Known as a pure cover CB, there was buzz Flott - just 20 years old when drafted - could've been a 1st round pick with another year at LSU. He flashed late - his PBU on that 3rd down crossing route (before McKinney's game-winner) was a great play in a big spot.

If those are the top 3 - would a Robinson move to SS make sense? The lynchpin of Robinson's game, IMO, is his fearlessness and physicality. He likes to hit people. He was considered more of an interior DB coming out of UCF. In this scheme, the S's are asked to do everything. I like Robinson's skillset as a blitzer, tackler and 2nd level defender with speed. He's got the man coverage ability at S to support the blitz.

Could they sell him on a move to S being good for his career, a la Antrel Rolle? Instead of fighting it out for snaps at CB, he could be the full-time starter next to McK.

If healthy, he's in the top 5 DBs on this team and it would be nice to find a spot for him.
Let's see if he can  
David B. : 5/20/2023 1:54 pm : link
make it on to the field this year.
I'm picturing a play-style at S  
mittenedman : 5/20/2023 1:57 pm : link
similar to Malcolm Jenkins - I couldn't stand him for the Eagles but he was a good player. IIRC Jenkins switched from CB to S and made a long career for himself.
if healthy  
ElitoCanton : 5/20/2023 1:59 pm : link
he will compete to start at nickel. And will be a lot better than Holmes.
Cmon really..  
bLiTz 2k : 5/20/2023 2:00 pm : link
Let's see if he can actually play in a couple NFL games before we switch his position.
He'd probably fit  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2023 2:04 pm : link
into the ice tub easier as a CB
Barring injuries...  
Klaatu : 5/20/2023 2:06 pm : link
They'll probably carry four Safeties - McKinney, Belton, Pinnock, and McCain - and could even carry five if they like the rookie, Owens. I don't see any room for Robinson who, if healthy, will definitely be in the mix at CB.
RE: He'd probably fit  
Payasdaddy : 5/20/2023 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16120257 Bill in UT said:
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into the ice tub easier as a CB



Why down on arob? He showed some potential b4 injury
We arent talking k toney list of injuries here
Sy liked his feisty played pre draft Think he is solid part of cb rotation this yr
Top 4 cb
RE: RE: He'd probably fit  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2023 3:16 pm : link
In comment 16120282 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 16120257 Bill in UT said:


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into the ice tub easier as a CB




Why down on arob? He showed some potential b4 injury
We arent talking k toney list of injuries here
Sy liked his feisty played pre draft Think he is solid part of cb rotation this yr
Top 4 cb


I'm not down on him. That was just me being a smartass. I'm rooting for him to be well and play well
RE: RE: RE: He'd probably fit  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/20/2023 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16120285 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 16120282 Payasdaddy said:


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In comment 16120257 Bill in UT said:


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into the ice tub easier as a CB




Why down on arob? He showed some potential b4 injury
We arent talking k toney list of injuries here
Sy liked his feisty played pre draft Think he is solid part of cb rotation this yr
Top 4 cb



I'm not down on him. That was just me being a smartass. I'm rooting for him to be well and play well


And for the same price we can root for Belton and Pinock to improve enough to keep Aaron at CB!
Why move him from corner when he was starting to flash?  
j_rud : 5/20/2023 3:46 pm : link
Hope he can stay healthy because he can definitely push for playing time. There are going to be some great camp competitions this summer.
Why would they convert him to safety?  
eric2425ny : 5/20/2023 4:13 pm : link
He looked decent at CB last year before getting hurt in what was essentially his rookie year.

The team doesn’t exactly have fantastic CB depth, they can use all of the CB’s they can get. Especially when you consider that this is likely Jackson’s last year on the team. I’m hoping Robinson excels and can man the opposite starting spot to Banks in 2024 so they don’t have to tap free agency or draft another CB high in next years draft.
You thought he looked good last year?  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/20/2023 5:37 pm : link
He played one game plus 10 snaps. Let’s not go crazy, ok?
Even if you're right that he ends up fourth in the CB pecking order...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/20/2023 5:40 pm : link
... (and that's assuming a lot), I would still rather have a good dime corner who can step up on the depth chart when injuries hit than a conversion project at strong safety. The team has three SS types already who appear likely to make the team. And it's possible none of them will even start, since McKinney and McCain are a completely plausible duo, with X dropping into the box when they go single-high.

Not saying it's a terrible idea. Robinson might even thrive in the role. It just seems like a solution in search of a problem. If the problem is that the Giants are too deep at CB, that's a nice problem to have. If the problem is Julian Love's departure, there seem to be better solutions on the roster.
Most GMs seem to think that a CB is more valuable than a S  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/20/2023 5:49 pm : link
Just look at drafts for the last few years.

So, unless a bare cupboard at S, why would you consider making this switch?
This player is not deficient in physical attributes to play CB at a high level.
I posted about him , a few days ago ....  
Manny in CA : 5/20/2023 5:52 pm : link

To my surprise, all the nay-sayers swarmed all over me. Robinson has legit NFL CB speed. I understand that Deonte Banks was drafted #1 - to play, but he's not ready for prime-time, Robinson deserves a shot.
The main reason not to move ARob  
Pepe LePugh : 5/20/2023 6:21 pm : link
is that CB is the premier position in Wink’s D, and none of our top CBs have shown the ability to play a full NFL season. AJ hasn’t seen 70% of defensive snaps in years. Flott missed at least 4 in his rookie year. Robinson missed more games than he played. Banks- we’ll see.
Depth chart after that doesn’t instill confidence unless Oruwariye surprises.
Add in uncertainty of Jackson’s contract beyond this year, and I’m just hoping Robinson is part of the longer term solution at corner.
RE: more Holmes hate  
5BowlsSoon : 5/20/2023 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16120253 ElitoCanton said:
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he will compete to start at nickel. And will be a lot better than Holmes.


He doesn’t deserve it….remember that big play he made to keep the Commanders out of the end zone on the last play of the game?

Respect earned…
RE: I posted about him , a few days ago ....  
bLiTz 2k : 5/20/2023 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16120328 Manny in CA said:
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To my surprise, all the nay-sayers swarmed all over me. Robinson has legit NFL CB speed. I understand that Deonte Banks was drafted #1 - to play, but he's not ready for prime-time, Robinson deserves a shot.


You have no idea if Deonte Banks is ready for prime time or not. What a silly comment. I like Robinson, but how the hell are you stating if our first round draft pick is "ready for prime-time" in May?

A rookie corner picked 24th overall absolutely can and probably should start week 1. Again -- silly comment.
RE: Even if you're right that he ends up fourth in the CB pecking order...  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2023 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16120325 Big Blue Blogger said:
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... (and that's assuming a lot), I would still rather have a good dime corner who can step up on the depth chart when injuries hit than a conversion project at strong safety. The team has three SS types already who appear likely to make the team. And it's possible none of them will even start, since McKinney and McCain are a completely plausible duo, with X dropping into the box when they go single-high.

Not saying it's a terrible idea. Robinson might even thrive in the role. It just seems like a solution in search of a problem. If the problem is that the Giants are too deep at CB, that's a nice problem to have. If the problem is Julian Love's departure, there seem to be better solutions on the roster.


And, as Wink says, I believe, there are no real positions in his D, he just puts guys in place to make plays. So if Robinson has the skills, he can do some of each
RE: RE: more Holmes hate  
Bill in UT : 5/20/2023 7:42 pm : link
In comment 16120340 5BowlsSoon said:
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he will compete to start at nickel. And will be a lot better than Holmes.



He doesn’t deserve it….remember that big play he made to keep the Commanders out of the end zone on the last play of the game?

Respect earned…


yeah, but, some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug
Holmes issue may very well be his salary...  
bLiTz 2k : 5/21/2023 6:25 am : link
Those escalators that are built into rookie contracts may end up making him expendable. (Same deal happened with Slayton last year, so he took a paycut to remain on the roster).

If Robinson is healthy and performs well in the slot (which is his natural position), I could see Holmes being an odd man out.

Will be one of my favorite camp battles for sure.

Boylhart liked him in the draft, but with a caveat...  
Milton : 5/21/2023 6:59 am : link
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Aaron is a cover corner with excellent size and cover skills. He looks on the field, much bigger than his size and he plays much bigger than his size because of his skills and physical play. Aaron has the size, strength to play in the slot or on the outside, and the determination to cover any size receiver. He has excellent speed and enough quickness to be used at different positions in the defensive backfield. Aaron has leadership skills through his play on the field and with a little more motivation could become a core player on defense for the team that selects him.
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Aaron will tackle the receiver he is covering but struggles to tackle any other player if they get loose and are coming at him. He won’ run guys down from behind, or cross the field to make a tackle either. Of course, he doesn’t play a lot of zone and that could be the reason why but when he plays in the slot, he doesn’t show the aggressiveness you expect and need to string out plays or fight off blocks to make tackles consistently. He seems to have the same attitude towards supporting the run that Deion had. That is, he’s not my man and not my responsibility so tackling him is someone else’s job. I’m not suggesting that Aaron is a poor tackler or that he doesn’t tackle. I’m saying he is not as quick or interested if it is not his man.

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RE: I'm picturing a play-style at S  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/21/2023 8:16 am : link
mittenedman said:
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similar to Malcolm Jenkins - I couldn't stand him for the Eagles but he was a good player. IIRC Jenkins switched from CB to S and made a long career for himself.

The Jenkins example is instructive, but also complicated. Payton moved Jenkins to safety in 2010 because he projected as the fifth CB on the Saints' depth chart, and Darren Sharper's availability was in doubt. In a pass-happy league where most teams play a lot of dime, the fourth CB is important but the fifth is a special teamer until somebody gets injured. Unless Robinson drops out of the top four - and currently he might be as high as #2 - he has meaningful value at corner.
Do we know if he  
Dave on the UWS : 5/21/2023 10:23 am : link
has recovered from his knew surgery yet? If I remember correctly, he had ACL and Meniscus issues. Had his surgery around Oct 1 (?) so he is 8 months out now. If he is practicing at all during camp (that would be about 10 months), then we can talk about him. Until then....
I still really like Robinson.  
Vin_Cuccs : 5/21/2023 2:08 pm : link
If he can stay healthy, he will be in the mix to start somewhere (outside or nickel). It will likely come down to Robinson or Flott.

With that said, Schoen has done a really nice job of creating depth at CB:
Adoree Jackson
Deonte Banks
Cor'Dale Flott
Aaron Robinson
Nick McCloud
Amani Oruwariye
Darnay Holmes
Zyon Gilbert
Rodarius Williams
Leonard Johnson
Tre Hawkins
Gemon Green

The real question is who will win the competition for the final few roster spots?

Assuming Jackson, Banks, and Flott are locks, from that list, which other three would you pick?


Vin: I think the final CB spot is basically reserved for Hawkins.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/21/2023 4:40 pm : link
The Giants bird-dogged him throughout the draft process and finally picked him in the sixth round. I doubt they will expose him to waivers. That said, he may not dress until mid-season, so the other corners on the roster need to be game-ready. That might help the marginal vets and make the math more challenging for developmental guys like Green, Johnson and Gilbert.
Here's what I think ....  
Manny in CA : 5/21/2023 11:06 pm : link
Six will make it -

Jackson - On one side
Banks vs. Robinson; dogfight for the opposite corner, loser will be top corner reserve; Flott 2nd corner reserve
Holmes - Starting slot; McCloud reserve

I absolutely love Oruwariye, but NOT at corner or slot, but at corner or slot, but at Free Safety. He is a natural read-and-and react ball hawk. (He was an excellent Zone CB with the Lions, but stunk it up when they went to man-to-man.)

Knowing this, I just don't think Wink would bring him in to FAIL in his corner press schemes.
SS needs to have some LB in him  
JonC : 5/22/2023 9:25 am : link
in terms of mentality, ability to hit, tackle, and frame. I don't see A-Rob as that type of player.
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