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NFT: Mets Doublheader thread for both games today - 1:40 pm start

Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:14 am
Let's chit chat here and keep everything on this thread for both games today. Here are the starting pitcher matchups for both games followed by the starting lineups for both clubs for Game #1:


Probable Starting Pitchers for both games of the doubleheader today for the Guardians and Mets
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Starting Lineups for Guardians at Mets today for Game #1 of the Doubleheader scheduled today starting at 1:40 pm EDT

#LFGM!

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Continuing form our previous thread, we had better see Baty and Alvy  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:23 am : link
in the nightcap of today's Day-Night Doubleheader (we began the discussion on the other thread).

Eric on LI made a good point on if Buck will play them both or not later. It's also a good opportunity to rest Pete at 1B. Who will he play in both games? Questions, questions...

Here are the standings in the N.L. East now:  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:34 am : link
Mets are at .500 now to start the day. Hopefully they don't dip down that far again now that things are looking up. Big game for Scherzer today...



MLB standings as of the start of the day on May 21, 2023
Getting real  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/21/2023 11:53 am : link
Fed up with the lack of Vientos starts. 2 in 4 games thus far? That’s not going to cut it, he needs AB’s
you can never expect to sweep a dh'er esp facing a CY but  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 11:54 am : link
if ever there was a time to do it this is kind of it. the mets were great in DH'ers last year, they have scherzer/jv on the mound, day off yesterday, depth with the young guys to have fresh lineups both games.

they havent had a real winning streak all year so now would be a really good time for that.
Here are some articles:  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:56 am : link
All courtesy of MetsmerizedOnline.com, AmazinAvenue, com, & RisingApple.com

Morning Briefing: Ronny Mauricio Continuing to Stay Hot in Triple-A | By Alexis Farinacci - Updated: May 21, 2023

Starling Marte’s Power And Fielding Struggles Analyzed - By James Villani - Updated: May 21, 2023


Baby Mets Continue to Make a Name For Themselves - By Christian De Block - Updated: May 20, 2023

Mets Morning News: The Baby Mets - Your Sunday morning dose of New York Mets and MLB news, notes, and links. - By Allison McCague | @PetitePhD | May 21, 2023 | 9:00am EDT


Mets Daily Prospect Report, 5/21/23: The rainy weather probably saved us some heartache - Catch up on all the Mets prospects in yesterday’s minor league action! | By Steve Sypa | @SteveSypa | May 21, 2023 | 7:00am EDT


Low-key Mets trade has been more beneficial than anticipated - By Tim Boyle | May 20, 2023


2 Mets problems the fans saw coming, 1 we didn't expect to be so bad - By Adrian Cervantes | May 18, 2023

3 Mets players in danger of losing their 40-man roster spot by June 1 - By Tim Boyle | May 15, 2023

3 White Sox players the Mets should already start scouting for a trade - By JOSUE DE JESUS | May 9, 2023

The Braves didn't learn from the Mets' jersey patch fail - By Tim Boyle | May 18, 2023

5 Mets players we were wrong about to start the season - By Tim Boyle | 6:00 AM EDT
RE: you can never expect to sweep a dh'er esp facing a CY but  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 11:59 am : link
In comment 16120556 Eric on Li said:
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if ever there was a time to do it this is kind of it. the mets were great in DH'ers last year, they have scherzer/jv on the mound, day off yesterday, depth with the young guys to have fresh lineups both games.

they havent had a real winning streak all year so now would be a really good time for that.


The Mets have a day off tomorrow too, so they also have that to their advantage. a little urgency form Buck here would be nice. These aren't throw-away/evaluation games as Buck might think.
this seems unexpectedly positive  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 12:12 pm : link
would be great to know what we have with him before the deadline.

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Joe Pantorno @JoePantorno
Jose Quintana threw a bullpen session yesterday. Said it went well and that Quintana was “excited” with the results. #Mets
RE: this seems unexpectedly positive  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16120563 Eric on Li said:
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would be great to know what we have with him before the deadline.



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Joe Pantorno @JoePantorno
Jose Quintana threw a bullpen session yesterday. Said it went well and that Quintana was “excited” with the results. #Mets



When will he back again? July or August, as originally reported? Maybe in a month now that things seem to be going well? Wouldn't it be great if he could replace Cookie in the starting rotation to boot?
The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
CooperDash : 5/21/2023 12:37 pm : link
I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.
27th man note  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 12:51 pm : link
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Game Notes: Relief pitcher Josh Walker will serve as the Mets’ 27th man for the doubleheader for each game.



MMO Game Thread: Guardians vs. Mets, 1:40 P.M. (Game 1) | By Elliot Teichman | Updated: May 21, 2023 | MetsMerizedOnline.com - ( New Window )
RE: The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16120573 CooperDash said:
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I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.


Was the Sanchez experiment all Eppler? Has to be, right?
RE: RE: The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
CooperDash : 5/21/2023 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16120583 Optimus-NY said:
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I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.



Was the Sanchez experiment all Eppler? Has to be, right?


I’d say that, yes, this is another one of Eppler’s unimaginative moves. Poor defensive catcher and poor offensive player (unless they are “hoping” that Sanchez will hit like he did - sometimes - years ago). But for a part time, back up type of catcher, we already have those.

My issue is with him being on the roster after this game. If he takes a single at bat away from Baty/Vientos then it will just further cement how out of touch and bad Eppler/Buck are.
RE: RE: RE: The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
Mike in NY : 5/21/2023 1:25 pm : link
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I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.



Was the Sanchez experiment all Eppler? Has to be, right?



I’d say that, yes, this is another one of Eppler’s unimaginative moves. Poor defensive catcher and poor offensive player (unless they are “hoping” that Sanchez will hit like he did - sometimes - years ago). But for a part time, back up type of catcher, we already have those.

My issue is with him being on the roster after this game. If he takes a single at bat away from Baty/Vientos then it will just further cement how out of touch and bad Eppler/Buck are.


You aren’t having Alvarez catch both games of the doubleheader and Scherzer needs less hand holding from a defensive specialist
Quintana is expected back in July  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2023 1:58 pm : link
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Let’s sweep the  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2023 1:59 pm : link
Leg!
Love our future  
ZGiants98 : 5/21/2023 2:03 pm : link
Permanent LF’er. McNeil flashing the leather out there.
honestly i dont even mind that out from vogelbach  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 2:11 pm : link
he swung at a ball a little out of the zone aggressively and almost got it (89mph exit velo). it was a ball he can/probably should hit out but at least he tried. id imagine a fraction closer to the barrel and it's a 95mph+ 3 run homer.

he's either going to need to learn to get more aggressive and look to do more damage or park himself on the bench as a pinch hitter.
sanchez just did his best vogelbach impression  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 2:12 pm : link
not sure what cohen is saying that looked like a clear strike.
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:13 pm : link
Guardians @ Mets - 1:40 pm EDT start: Game 1 of DH - Mets' TV Broadcast feed - WPIX w/Gary & Ron (volokit2.com)

Guardians @ Mets - 1:40 pm EDT start: Game 1 of DH - Guardians' TV Broadcast feed (volokit2.com)

MLB.com - Gameday Boxscore - Guardians at mets - Game 1 of DH - 1:40 pm EDT start

pivotal moment here for nimmo bases loaded 2 out bibee at 41 pitches  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 2:14 pm : link
he's been slumping but this a good time to get out of it.
RE: sanchez just did his best vogelbach impression  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:15 pm : link
In comment 16120619 Eric on Li said:
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not sure what cohen is saying that looked like a clear strike.


I know right. Looked like a ball to me.
RE: RE: The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
GF1080 : 5/21/2023 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16120583 Optimus-NY said:
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I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.



Was the Sanchez experiment all Eppler? Has to be, right?


Has to be. Probably knows him from when he was still with Yanks possibly?
RE: RE: RE: The back half of the lineup is a complete loss.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16120624 GF1080 said:
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I understand playing some because of the doubleheader, but no need to play them all. Buck’s obsession with his veterans is growing really tiresome. And fuck Gary Sanchez. There is zero point to him being on this team.



Was the Sanchez experiment all Eppler? Has to be, right?



Has to be. Probably knows him from when he was still with Yanks possibly?


I was thinking the same regarding their Prisonstriper's connection.
sanchez got $3m as an IFA from yankees in 2009  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 2:22 pm : link
eppler was hired by yankees in 2004 and left after the 2015 season so they crossed over for almost a decade probably from whenever the yankees started scouting him before signing him.
RE: sanchez got $3m as an IFA from yankees in 2009  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16120626 Eric on Li said:
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eppler was hired by yankees in 2004 and left after the 2015 season so they crossed over for almost a decade probably from whenever the yankees started scouting him before signing him.


Thanks Eric. Who's quicker on the info draw? You or Dan? lol
lol. Josh Bell is a dumb@$$.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:42 pm : link
WTF was he thinking?
Marte starting to  
Rory : 5/21/2023 2:43 pm : link
Come back around.

Gary said something to the effect Sanchez has an elite arm in throwing runners out, which reads to me as the deterrent to keep guys like straw, kwan and Rosario from stealing. And adds pop. Makes sense to me.
Marte....lol  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:45 pm : link
Tit for tat there with Bell tagging him out on the pickoff move.
Joey Cora strikes again...  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:50 pm : link
Oy Vey already!
RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Rory : 5/21/2023 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16120643 Optimus-NY said:
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Oy Vey already!


He bobbled it
RE: RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16120645 Rory said:
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Oy Vey already!



He bobbled it


No $hit Sherlock.
RE: RE: RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Rory : 5/21/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16120646 Optimus-NY said:
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Oy Vey already!



He bobbled it



No $hit Sherlock.


What the fuck is your problem dude? You come on here and do nothing but bitch and bash. I really wonder if you can even backup all your tough talk in person. Love to see it
RE: RE: RE: RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16120648 Rory said:
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Oy Vey already!



He bobbled it



No $hit Sherlock.



What the fuck is your problem dude? You come on here and do nothing but bitch and bash. I really wonder if you can even backup all your tough talk in person. Love to see it


I would and would love to do it with you big mouth. The one who comes on here and bitches the most is you. Nobody on these threads likes you. I don't appreciate threats either. Love to meet you and teach a lesson some time. Get off of our threads if you can't behave.
RE: RE: sanchez got $3m as an IFA from yankees in 2009  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16120632 Optimus-NY said:
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eppler was hired by yankees in 2004 and left after the 2015 season so they crossed over for almost a decade probably from whenever the yankees started scouting him before signing him.



Thanks Eric. Who's quicker on the info draw? You or Dan? lol


dan usually has the even more obscure stuff.
this is good news  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:12 pm : link
he and guillorme performing well over the next few weeks would really give them a lot of options as they prepare for the deadline.

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SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
David Peterson today for Triple-A Syracuse:

8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 9 K
2nd/3rd with buck's bois lurking on deck  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:14 pm : link
will be interesting to see if he sticks with vogey/sanchez or goes to the bench with a high leverage late game situation lurking.

if marte gets a hit that scores 2 so i assume no moves. but if he gets out or walks there's a decision.
bad luck for marte and i guess buck has decided to stick with vogey  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:16 pm : link
up 2-0. vogelbach either needs to walk or get something out of the IF.
Scherzer looks to be done w/Raley up in the pen.  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 3:16 pm : link
Hopefully Scherzer isn't hurt again. He looked upset walking with buck and Heffner into the tunnel.

Here's his line today:
-86 pitches (55 strikes)
-6 I.P.
-3 hits
-0 R (ER)
-1 BB
-5 K
4.01 ERA

P.S. Nice play by Baty on that first out defensively at 3B! He got low and looked conident and sure of himself there.
I think it depends on if  
Rory : 5/21/2023 3:16 pm : link
Bibee stays in or is taken out.

Kinda like Sanchez in this spot
Mehscobar  
Mike in NY : 5/21/2023 3:19 pm : link
At least we got something
RE: this is good news  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16120653 Eric on Li said:
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he and guillorme performing well over the next few weeks would really give them a lot of options as they prepare for the deadline.



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SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
David Peterson today for Triple-A Syracuse:

8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 9 K



Wow! Great news indeed. Good point about the Mets now moving towards deadline mode. Can teams trade players they sign as free agents the previous offseason at any time Eric, or is that old June 15th rule regarding that situation still in effect?
Nice bounce back performance by Max.  
CooperDash : 5/21/2023 3:22 pm : link
Marte coming around would do wonders for this lineup. Let’s take care of business today.
lucky to get a run there - sanchez hit that 280 feet  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:23 pm : link
so historically with a slow runner, the odds of getting that run home were right on the borderline.



sanchez hit the ball 79mph
escobar hit the ball 63mph

2 pretty unimpressive at bats. they had to get 1 run across but obviously a big hit would have been better because then maybe you could have saved at least 1 of raley/otto/robertson for later.

mets have 7 hard hit balls today, all from the top 6 of the order. none from vogey, sanchez, escobar.
Watching Angels Twins  
Rory : 5/21/2023 3:25 pm : link
Last night. P Sandoval had some bad luck but I wonder if he would be an option at deadline if they fall out of it, lefty with a few years left of control but there’s Eppler ties too

Always liked him. Just a thought
there's the 8th hard hit ball of the day for the mets (108.8mph)  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:27 pm : link
top 6 of the lineup is 8/8.
NICE!  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 3:29 pm : link
Great way to start the inning by Nimmo! Let's see if the Mets can add more insurance runs to give the pen less pressure.
Baty has had only a few misplays at third since his call up and  
CooperDash : 5/21/2023 3:29 pm : link
has generally looked pretty good out there. Strong arm too. Same with Vientos the other game. Between those two and the hand-wringing over Conforto’s “lack of defense” reports when he was in the minors…I don’t believe what any of these guys say anymore. The reports about defense are so wrong more times than not.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Rory : 5/21/2023 3:37 pm : link
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Oy Vey already!



He bobbled it



No $hit Sherlock.



What the fuck is your problem dude? You come on here and do nothing but bitch and bash. I really wonder if you can even backup all your tough talk in person. Love to see it



I would and would love to do it with you big mouth. The one who comes on here and bitches the most is you. Nobody on these threads likes you. I don't appreciate threats either. Love to meet you and teach a lesson some time. Get off of our threads if you can't behave.


Right. Be home in august, I’ll be sure to remind you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Joey Cora strikes again...  
Optimus-NY : 5/21/2023 3:38 pm : link
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Oy Vey already!



He bobbled it



No $hit Sherlock.



What the fuck is your problem dude? You come on here and do nothing but bitch and bash. I really wonder if you can even backup all your tough talk in person. Love to see it



I would and would love to do it with you big mouth. The one who comes on here and bitches the most is you. Nobody on these threads likes you. I don't appreciate threats either. Love to meet you and teach a lesson some time. Get off of our threads if you can't behave.



Right. Be home in august, I’ll be sure to remind you.


If I'm on Long Island come through to CitField beeyoch. Upstate hillbilly.
downside to this one is that we're burning the pen  
Eric on Li : 5/21/2023 3:48 pm : link
but the upside is gary sanchez and vogelbach earned their participation trophies.
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