Let's chit chat here and keep everything on this thread for both games today. Here are the starting pitcher matchups for both games followed by the starting lineups for both clubs for Game #1:
Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
oddly had a little blurb today suggesting Buck's job security might not be as strong as one would think given the 101 win season. Rosenthal generally isn't a flat out "false rumor" guy and not much to back it up but interesting.
Music to my ears. I was watching a 5-year-old video fortuitously enough yesterday on YouTube with Buck and Jayson Stark in which Buck was talking about accountability (click below to see). His ego is getting in the way of winning now due to his inclination to not playing these kids. This job isn't a lifetime appointment, or even guaranteed through this year. Glad to hear this.
P.S. I have a lot of respect for Buck, but his blind spot will wind up costing him.
out of curiosity, is there anybody on here that would support sending Alvarez down? I'm shocked how often I'm seeing this bandied about. I understand wanting to keep depth.. if the depth is GOOD! I think it would be lunacy to send down Alvarez and send a terrible message to the young players. 162 wRC+ over the last 30 days and his defense is already looking far better than people expected.
Would any of us be surprised to see them do this though (Buck and Eppler)? That's the thing that is baffling.
Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
I'm very impressed lately with Alvarez's defense. His throwing seems markedly improved. And I love the way he takes charge of plays at the plate....the other night he threw out a runner trying to advance to second base on an outfielder's throw to the plate. The run had scored, but Alvy gunned down the advancing runner to keep him out of scoring position. His pitch framing seems to have improved also.
Last night he got hit in the head by a batter's backswing. He jumped right up and was ready for the next play......Beast !!
oddly had a little blurb today suggesting Buck's job security might not be as strong as one would think given the 101 win season. Rosenthal generally isn't a flat out "false rumor" guy and not much to back it up but interesting.
i was a 100% buck guy and through 4 months last year i would have named him the team's mvp. i thought his BP usage in particular was best ive seen of any manager up until september.
but there was a game last year in august i think where they were down and with the final out he let nido hit i think instead of pinch hitting mcneil and after the game he got very snippy when questioned about it. since august of last year he has left a lot to be desired. he has made a lot of bizarre comments about the young guys, he's been a lot more defensive as he's taken criticism, and his bp usage down the stretch last year was weird against those bad teams when he let 1-2 run games get out of hand and all the best relievers were well rested going sometimes a week between getting in games.
i buy that there are probably some real internal frustrations with him because he has done some real backwards things since august. including some of the comments that came out over the last several days that seem intent on ignoring the reality that the key driver of this win streak was the kids. they've contributed like 11 runs over a winning streak of all 1 run games.
I think Buck brought of a level of professionalism to the Mets job they didn't have in a while but I also think his greatest downfall is developing young talent at the major league level. These kids clearly have impact talent and are a significant reason for the turnaround. They need to be out there everyday and work through slumps. I think there's something to the fact that Buck is the guy before the guy who wins a WS. Do the 90's yankees develop into the dynasty with Buck? I don't know.
Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
Maybe I should say hoping it wasn't a reflection of org thinking.
Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
He's not the only one to suggest it may happen, in fact Laura Albanese wrote a piece had a piece arguing against it from Saturday aka I don't know that it's what they will actually do but there seems to be "more there" than just Buster being Buster. Link - ( New Window )
the "who cares?" division... "The Baby Mets" doesn't exactly roll of your tongue. It obviously doesn't make a difference but too bad that's what apparently has stuck lol
the "who cares?" division... "The Baby Mets" doesn't exactly roll of your tongue. It obviously doesn't make a difference but too bad that's what apparently has stuck lol
The fans refer to them as the Kids. Baby Mets is a little weird. Taking it a step further, those guys are Grade-A level talents who are all only a few years younger than some of these guys (Lindor, Alonso, and McNeil who are 29, 28, & 31 respectively).
Vientos is 23, Alvarez is 21, & Baty is 23. These guys are the young core of the team now and going forward, not babies.
I'm very impressed lately with Alvarez's defense. His throwing seems markedly improved. And I love the way he takes charge of plays at the plate....the other night he threw out a runner trying to advance to second base on an outfielder's throw to the plate. The run had scored, but Alvy gunned down the advancing runner to keep him out of scoring position. His pitch framing seems to have improved also.
Last night he got hit in the head by a batter's backswing. He jumped right up and was ready for the next play......Beast !!
oddly had a little blurb today suggesting Buck's job security might not be as strong as one would think given the 101 win season. Rosenthal generally isn't a flat out "false rumor" guy and not much to back it up but interesting.
Music to my ears. I was watching a 5-year-old video fortuitously enough yesterday on YouTube with Buck and Jayson Stark in which Buck was talking about accountability (click below to see). His ego is getting in the way of winning now due to his inclination to not playing these kids. This job isn't a lifetime appointment, or even guaranteed through this year. Glad to hear this.
P.S. I have a lot of respect for Buck, but his blind spot will wind up costing him.
Baseball Stories - Ep. 5 Buck Showalter (3:18 mark) - ( New Window )
If Buck does not make the playoffs, he is very likely gone.
To stay, if Mets miss playoffs, he would need extenuating circumstances, such as Scherzer and Pete out for season. And even then he would still need to be competitive.
Barring a total collapse, Eppler is probably safe because Cohen needs him to handle the Ohtani pursuit.
in the month of May: .968 OPS; .271 Avg, 4 HR, 9 RBI
over the last 15 days: 1st among all starting catchers in HR, RBI, XBH, and OPS. He's a stud. I was all-in on him, having him in all of my dynasty leagues. He is exceeding my wildest expectations. Still only 21. At that age, Alonso was in low-A ball.
I hope by next year, the Mets start doing some Braves like deals to get these kids locked up
Hundley has the Mets record for HRs as a C with 41
the Mets make the playoffs, Buck will be back (and almost certainly be offered an extension) a lameduck manager in NY is exceedingly rare and with Cohen's money he'd presumably understand he *likely* would have to eat some. Obviously, it's worth monitoring Stearns/Counsell as a potential combo platter.
Carrasco looks fully shot. I'd love to be wrong and I would still give him a look out of the pen (he's done it before so it's not outlandish) Peterson looking like 2022 Peterson would be huge. Not ready to say he's there after one strong start but a month from now? Fingers crossed. Vasil might even be on the radar come August.
Carrasco looks fully shot. I'd love to be wrong and I would still give him a look out of the pen (he's done it before so it's not outlandish) Peterson looking like 2022 Peterson would be huge. Not ready to say he's there after one strong start but a month from now? Fingers crossed. Vasil might even be on the radar come August.
im just hoping carrasco and megill can give them 1 month of solid starts.
like you said by then maybe peterson and vasil are ready at least as depth options.
i think they will probably be shopping for a starter even though there arent that many appealing options out there. giolito + hendriks is really the only interesting package i can come up with at this point. trevor williams would be an interesting depth pickup since we know he can flex between rotation and bp.
see why the A's are going to sell low on a cheap player but I like JP Sears as a guy who could really breakout. 9.43 K/9, 1.85 BB/9. HR ball has killed him but he's never had issues with the HR before. I find him to be intriguing. Not saying really for the Mets but don't be surprised if he breaks out.
see why the A's are going to sell low on a cheap player but I like JP Sears as a guy who could really breakout. 9.43 K/9, 1.85 BB/9. HR ball has killed him but he's never had issues with the HR before. I find him to be intriguing. Not saying really for the Mets but don't be surprised if he breaks out.
yeah the issue there is you are paying for a lot of controllable service time. he's likely attainable though. cant imagine his trade value is much different than a megill or peterson.
Carrasco looks fully shot. I'd love to be wrong and I would still give him a look out of the pen (he's done it before so it's not outlandish) Peterson looking like 2022 Peterson would be huge. Not ready to say he's there after one strong start but a month from now? Fingers crossed. Vasil might even be on the radar come August.
71.1 innings last year for Vasil; 81.2 in college and 7 in the pros the year before. That's something to watch with him. My guess is he is more likely in the pen if he is called up that late.
see why the A's are going to sell low on a cheap player but I like JP Sears as a guy who could really breakout. 9.43 K/9, 1.85 BB/9. HR ball has killed him but he's never had issues with the HR before. I find him to be intriguing. Not saying really for the Mets but don't be surprised if he breaks out.
yeah the issue there is you are paying for a lot of controllable service time. he's likely attainable though. cant imagine his trade value is much different than a megill or peterson.
I just personally think there is something there. The numbers are decent (not outstanding). Admittedly, I found this article only after already finding him intriguing but it's a pretty good read and why he might be somebody to targer. Link - ( New Window )
site basically created a metric for grading specific pitches and they have Sears slider as the 8th best in baseball in 2023 and his fastball PLV 13th. Granted, this all comes together for a guy with meh overall numbers but a slightly deeper dive you'll see he has 3 starts with 7+ k's including 11 vs. Texas (most runs in baseball) and of his 9 starts he's allowed 4 or less runs 7 times, 3 or less 6 times. That's the end of the JP Sears hour, just randomly was looking at some P on bad teams and he caught my eye.
the Mets make the playoffs, Buck will be back (and almost certainly be offered an extension) a lameduck manager in NY is exceedingly rare and with Cohen's money he'd presumably understand he *likely* would have to eat some. Obviously, it's worth monitoring Stearns/Counsell as a potential combo platter.
I'll take a combo of Stearns/Counsell in a heartbeat next season. Eppler can hang around until they sign Ohtani. Buck can go fishing.
Sanchez to LAA (they thought they were close to a deal with him before he signed with the Mets) or Nido for "The Human Glitch". He's been awful this season (and demoted) but 2021-2022 67 appearances 2.83 FIP, 2 options left
Miami has the worst C production in baseball in 2023. Nido, @mets
are very thin in the OF.... Nido for Jake Mangum
Sanchez to LAA (they thought they were close to a deal with him before he signed with the Mets) or Nido for "The Human Glitch". He's been awful this season (and demoted) but 2021-2022 67 appearances 2.83 FIP, 2 options left
Miami has the worst C production in baseball in 2023. Nido, @mets
are very thin in the OF.... Nido for Jake Mangum
I'd do Nidon't for Jake Mangum in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd drive him to LaGuardia!
Certainly not crying over Nate Fisher (and maybe he wanted to join a team he felt he had a better shot) but he's having a decent season with Charlotte (3.83 era/4.42 FIP, 9.0 K/9) probably would have been in the mix for starts when @mets
were scrambling for SP
And speaking of Angels RP's, I'd be interested in Tepera on a minor league deal with an opt-out. Hartwig has struggled, Orze has struggled, wouldn't be a terrible grab.
the Mets make the playoffs, Buck will be back (and almost certainly be offered an extension) a lameduck manager in NY is exceedingly rare and with Cohen's money he'd presumably understand he *likely* would have to eat some. Obviously, it's worth monitoring Stearns/Counsell as a potential combo platter.
I haven't been following but is the Stearns thing happening or just rumors and dot-connecting?
the Mets make the playoffs, Buck will be back (and almost certainly be offered an extension) a lameduck manager in NY is exceedingly rare and with Cohen's money he'd presumably understand he *likely* would have to eat some. Obviously, it's worth monitoring Stearns/Counsell as a potential combo platter.
I haven't been following but is the Stearns thing happening or just rumors and dot-connecting?
Nightengale claimed he’s heard it’s going to happen from a “source”. Keep in mind while he’s a “top” baseball writer he’s well known for getting stories wrong to the point most tweets of his have people essentially saying “so the opposite”…. We know the Mets were interested in the past and that he’ll be a FA after the WS (he’s also friendly/friends with Eppler) and previously worked for the Mets. His wife apparently preferred Houston before this season but who knows?
How public Alvarez pending “demotion” is??
Because the Mets don’t want to risk losing one of three replaceable Cs?
Strange, right?
I think the question should be who doesn't find it strange? Cohen needs to step in because left to their druthers, Buck and Eppler would send Alvarez down to protect their pet vets.
It seems to me we never would've gotten to enjoy Alonso's
Pal Buster Olney is in favor of sending Alvarez down.
“ Who said the stats call for demotion?
They have two veteran catchers who they value and intend to play. The priority is to play Alvarez to help him get better defensive”
My response to Buster on twitter…
Buster… all due respect.. he’s 89th percentile framing, 63rd % pop time, 8th in the league in blocks above average. The data does not support the narrative. I’m sure you’ll cite “private” data teams are privy to but c’mon…
Adding to that… is the baseline now gold glove or bust? Even the eye test says he’s been very solid defensively
RE: It seems to me we never would've gotten to enjoy Alonso's
Pal Buster Olney is in favor of sending Alvarez down.
“ Who said the stats call for demotion?
They have two veteran catchers who they value and intend to play. The priority is to play Alvarez to help him get better defensive”
My response to Buster on twitter…
Buster… all due respect.. he’s 89th percentile framing, 63rd % pop time, 8th in the league in blocks above average. The data does not support the narrative. I’m sure you’ll cite “private” data teams are privy to but c’mon…
Adding to that… is the baseline now gold glove or bust? Even the eye test says he’s been very solid defensively
NICE! Thank you Dan for shutting that shill down. IF Buck is using the media to make this a me vs. them narrative, then I'm sorry, he needs to go. The priority needs to be on winning. Did Buster respond Dan?
his amigos in the media (e.g., Martino and Buster). I read your post about on Twitter Dan and it made total sense. The Rosenthal story makes even more sense now.
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Brett Baty has simply been a good big leaguer this year:
.258/.343/.430, 120 wRC+, 10.5 BB%, 21.0 K%, 92nd percentile avg exit velo, 95th percentile hard hit %
84th percentile outs above average defensively
Music to my ears. I was watching a 5-year-old video fortuitously enough yesterday on YouTube with Buck and Jayson Stark in which Buck was talking about accountability (click below to see). His ego is getting in the way of winning now due to his inclination to not playing these kids. This job isn't a lifetime appointment, or even guaranteed through this year. Glad to hear this.
P.S. I have a lot of respect for Buck, but his blind spot will wind up costing him.
Baseball Stories - Ep. 5 Buck Showalter (3:18 mark) - ( New Window )
Would any of us be surprised to see them do this though (Buck and Eppler)? That's the thing that is baffling.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
Last night he got hit in the head by a batter's backswing. He jumped right up and was ready for the next play......Beast !!
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oddly had a little blurb today suggesting Buck's job security might not be as strong as one would think given the 101 win season. Rosenthal generally isn't a flat out "false rumor" guy and not much to back it up but interesting.
i was a 100% buck guy and through 4 months last year i would have named him the team's mvp. i thought his BP usage in particular was best ive seen of any manager up until september.
but there was a game last year in august i think where they were down and with the final out he let nido hit i think instead of pinch hitting mcneil and after the game he got very snippy when questioned about it. since august of last year he has left a lot to be desired. he has made a lot of bizarre comments about the young guys, he's been a lot more defensive as he's taken criticism, and his bp usage down the stretch last year was weird against those bad teams when he let 1-2 run games get out of hand and all the best relievers were well rested going sometimes a week between getting in games.
i buy that there are probably some real internal frustrations with him because he has done some real backwards things since august. including some of the comments that came out over the last several days that seem intent on ignoring the reality that the key driver of this win streak was the kids. they've contributed like 11 runs over a winning streak of all 1 run games.
I think Buck brought of a level of professionalism to the Mets job they didn't have in a while but I also think his greatest downfall is developing young talent at the major league level. These kids clearly have impact talent and are a significant reason for the turnaround. They need to be out there everyday and work through slumps. I think there's something to the fact that Buck is the guy before the guy who wins a WS. Do the 90's yankees develop into the dynasty with Buck? I don't know.
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Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
Maybe I should say hoping it wasn't a reflection of org thinking.
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Would make absolutely no sense to send Alvarez down when the other 2 guys get healthy. I can't believe it's even being suggested. When Olney said it last night I just assumed he was saying something moronic and not a reflection of organizational thinking.
I remember that clearly. I was assuming he got it from someone in the organization., or would you guys disagree?
He's not the only one to suggest it may happen, in fact Laura Albanese wrote a piece had a piece arguing against it from Saturday aka I don't know that it's what they will actually do but there seems to be "more there" than just Buster being Buster.
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@SamDykstraMiLB
Minor League overall hitting leaders, entering 5/22:
AVG: Wade Meckler, .430
OBP: Phillip Evans, .544
SLG: Christopher Morel, .730
OPS: Jackson Holliday, 1.214
H: Ronny Mauricio, 65
HR: Jo Adell, 17
SB: Victor Scott II, 31
XBH: Mauricio, 30
TB: Mauricio, 111
wRC+: Holliday, 222
Wasn't there a former Met prospect with that name?
Wasn't there a former Met prospect with that name?
Same guy. He's 30 now. 185 wRC+ in AAA this season.
The fans refer to them as the Kids. Baby Mets is a little weird. Taking it a step further, those guys are Grade-A level talents who are all only a few years younger than some of these guys (Lindor, Alonso, and McNeil who are 29, 28, & 31 respectively).
Vientos is 23, Alvarez is 21, & Baty is 23. These guys are the young core of the team now and going forward, not babies.
Last night he got hit in the head by a batter's backswing. He jumped right up and was ready for the next play......Beast !!
His defensive numbers have been quite impressive.
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oddly had a little blurb today suggesting Buck's job security might not be as strong as one would think given the 101 win season. Rosenthal generally isn't a flat out "false rumor" guy and not much to back it up but interesting.
Music to my ears. I was watching a 5-year-old video fortuitously enough yesterday on YouTube with Buck and Jayson Stark in which Buck was talking about accountability (click below to see). His ego is getting in the way of winning now due to his inclination to not playing these kids. This job isn't a lifetime appointment, or even guaranteed through this year. Glad to hear this.
P.S. I have a lot of respect for Buck, but his blind spot will wind up costing him.
Baseball Stories - Ep. 5 Buck Showalter (3:18 mark) - ( New Window )
If Buck does not make the playoffs, he is very likely gone.
To stay, if Mets miss playoffs, he would need extenuating circumstances, such as Scherzer and Pete out for season. And even then he would still need to be competitive.
Barring a total collapse, Eppler is probably safe because Cohen needs him to handle the Ohtani pursuit.
over the last 15 days: 1st among all starting catchers in HR, RBI, XBH, and OPS. He's a stud. I was all-in on him, having him in all of my dynasty leagues. He is exceeding my wildest expectations. Still only 21. At that age, Alonso was in low-A ball.
I hope by next year, the Mets start doing some Braves like deals to get these kids locked up
im just hoping carrasco and megill can give them 1 month of solid starts.
like you said by then maybe peterson and vasil are ready at least as depth options.
i think they will probably be shopping for a starter even though there arent that many appealing options out there. giolito + hendriks is really the only interesting package i can come up with at this point. trevor williams would be an interesting depth pickup since we know he can flex between rotation and bp.
yeah the issue there is you are paying for a lot of controllable service time. he's likely attainable though. cant imagine his trade value is much different than a megill or peterson.
71.1 innings last year for Vasil; 81.2 in college and 7 in the pros the year before. That's something to watch with him. My guess is he is more likely in the pen if he is called up that late.
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see why the A's are going to sell low on a cheap player but I like JP Sears as a guy who could really breakout. 9.43 K/9, 1.85 BB/9. HR ball has killed him but he's never had issues with the HR before. I find him to be intriguing. Not saying really for the Mets but don't be surprised if he breaks out.
yeah the issue there is you are paying for a lot of controllable service time. he's likely attainable though. cant imagine his trade value is much different than a megill or peterson.
I just personally think there is something there. The numbers are decent (not outstanding). Admittedly, I found this article only after already finding him intriguing but it's a pretty good read and why he might be somebody to targer.
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I'll take a combo of Stearns/Counsell in a heartbeat next season. Eppler can hang around until they sign Ohtani. Buck can go fishing.
Miami has the worst C production in baseball in 2023. Nido, @mets
are very thin in the OF.... Nido for Jake Mangum
Miami has the worst C production in baseball in 2023. Nido, @mets
are very thin in the OF.... Nido for Jake Mangum
I'd do Nidon't for Jake Mangum in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd drive him to LaGuardia!
were scrambling for SP
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I haven't been following but is the Stearns thing happening or just rumors and dot-connecting?
Catcher is/was a black hole all year with no hope until Alvarez was called up. He is not just holding his own, he is excelling.
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Francisco Álvarez has been the second best hitting catcher in MLB over the last 30 days with a 162 wRC+. #LGM
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the Mets make the playoffs, Buck will be back (and almost certainly be offered an extension) a lameduck manager in NY is exceedingly rare and with Cohen's money he'd presumably understand he *likely* would have to eat some. Obviously, it's worth monitoring Stearns/Counsell as a potential combo platter.
I haven't been following but is the Stearns thing happening or just rumors and dot-connecting?
Nightengale claimed he’s heard it’s going to happen from a “source”. Keep in mind while he’s a “top” baseball writer he’s well known for getting stories wrong to the point most tweets of his have people essentially saying “so the opposite”…. We know the Mets were interested in the past and that he’ll be a FA after the WS (he’s also friendly/friends with Eppler) and previously worked for the Mets. His wife apparently preferred Houston before this season but who knows?
Because the Mets don’t want to risk losing one of three replaceable Cs?
Strange, right?
Because the Mets don’t want to risk losing one of three replaceable Cs?
Strange, right?
What do you think is going on?
Because the Mets don’t want to risk losing one of three replaceable Cs?
Strange, right?
I think the question should be who doesn't find it strange? Cohen needs to step in because left to their druthers, Buck and Eppler would send Alvarez down to protect their pet vets.
It would be the definition of stupidity if they send Alvarez back down.
“ Who said the stats call for demotion?
They have two veteran catchers who they value and intend to play. The priority is to play Alvarez to help him get better defensive”
My response to Buster on twitter…
Buster… all due respect.. he’s 89th percentile framing, 63rd % pop time, 8th in the league in blocks above average. The data does not support the narrative. I’m sure you’ll cite “private” data teams are privy to but c’mon…
Adding to that… is the baseline now gold glove or bust? Even the eye test says he’s been very solid defensively
It would be the definition of stupidity if they send Alvarez back down.
“ Who said the stats call for demotion?
They have two veteran catchers who they value and intend to play. The priority is to play Alvarez to help him get better defensive”
My response to Buster on twitter…
Buster… all due respect.. he’s 89th percentile framing, 63rd % pop time, 8th in the league in blocks above average. The data does not support the narrative. I’m sure you’ll cite “private” data teams are privy to but c’mon…
Adding to that… is the baseline now gold glove or bust? Even the eye test says he’s been very solid defensively
NICE! Thank you Dan for shutting that shill down. IF Buck is using the media to make this a me vs. them narrative, then I'm sorry, he needs to go. The priority needs to be on winning. Did Buster respond Dan?
Because the Mets don’t want to risk losing one of three replaceable Cs?
Strange, right?
Suspension?