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NFL screwing with the game again - kickoffs

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/23/2023 11:35 am
Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate

NFL owners have approved a proposal to spot the ball at the 25-yard line on a fair catch of a kickoff made inside the 25. It's a 1-year trial for now.

Special teams coordinators and players around the league were against this. It's happening, anyway.
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Put a massive DT at the 25  
Joe Beckwith : 5/23/2023 6:46 pm : link
and a KR at the 26.
If it’s at or beyond the 25, the DT waves his arm.
If it’s the 26 forward, the DT is a hulking bulk of blocker with a head of steam running interference.
A unique sight indeed!
RE: Put a massive DT at the 25  
steve in ky : 5/23/2023 7:11 pm : link
In comment 16122129 Joe Beckwith said:
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and a KR at the 26.
If it’s at or beyond the 25, the DT waves his arm.
If it’s the 26 forward, the DT is a hulking bulk of blocker with a head of steam running interference.
A unique sight indeed!


Once he waves his arms that massive DT would have to field the kick.
As with all of these types of minor changes  
Aaroninma : 5/23/2023 7:22 pm : link
None of us will care by week 3
Why bother with the kick off at all, just spot it on the 25 and be  
Jack Stroud : 5/23/2023 7:54 pm : link
done with it.
It's all about litigation  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2023 1:11 am : link
The NFL knows it will continue to face more and more lawsuits predicated on the idea that they have a dangerous work space for employees

So they continually have to "make a good faith effort" to show they are working to reduce possible injuries

Once the NCAA adopts a practice, it becomes the industry gold standard and the NFL has to follow suit

So blame the litigation culture that we have created. It's not the NFL and it's not Roger G. Goodell is actually doing the smart thing.

As far as players and coaches opposing it, that is meaningless. The players who someday will file suit will claim they were forced and coerced to engage in this violent practice if they wanted to keep their jobs.

Kickoff  
stretch234 : 5/24/2023 6:22 am : link
I don’t recall seeing this as being a mandatory fair catch scenario. Players are still going to run back kicks. There are still very good kick returners and nothing will change with them

It will be interesting to see what coaches will do. The Giants return game generally sucks

You still have plenty of kickers who can kick the ball out of the end zone

This is a reaction to the mortar kicks  
armstead98 : 5/24/2023 6:40 am : link
Kickers have gotten very good at these forcing teams to return the ball. The NFL wants kick returns to be optional for the receiving team, this allows that.

I don’t think it’s a huge deal, most kicks are touchbacks these days anyway.
They should make it the 20 yard line instead of 25  
steve in ky : 5/24/2023 6:54 am : link
Makes much more sense
RE: Kickoff  
RicFlair : 5/24/2023 7:12 am : link
In comment 16122306 stretch234 said:
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I don’t recall seeing this as being a mandatory fair catch scenario. Players are still going to run back kicks. There are still very good kick returners and nothing will change with them

It will be interesting to see what coaches will do. The Giants return game generally sucks

You still have plenty of kickers who can kick the ball out of the end zone



Exactly. The overreaction seems partially performative.
RE: RE: Kickoff  
HBart : 5/24/2023 7:22 am : link
In comment 16122313 RicFlair said:
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In comment 16122306 stretch234 said:


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I don’t recall seeing this as being a mandatory fair catch scenario. Players are still going to run back kicks. There are still very good kick returners and nothing will change with them

It will be interesting to see what coaches will do. The Giants return game generally sucks

You still have plenty of kickers who can kick the ball out of the end zone





Exactly. The overreaction seems partially performative.

While I'd prefer a return to good old fashioned kickoffs, this doesn't seem like a big deal. It realistically matters only on an occasional kick.

The numbers I saw were 36% of KOs returned last year estimated to drop to 31%.
If it's an overreaction  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2023 7:32 am : link
then why did all of the special teams coaches in the NFL oppose it?
RE: If it's an overreaction  
ThomasG : 5/24/2023 8:38 am : link
In comment 16122319 Eric from BBI said:
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then why did all of the special teams coaches in the NFL oppose it?


It's a piece of their pie being taken away. Rendering what they do a notch lower on the overall relevance scale in the game.
RE: If it's an overreaction  
HBart : 5/24/2023 10:29 am : link
In comment 16122319 Eric from BBI said:
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then why did all of the special teams coaches in the NFL oppose it?

Probably because it reduces potential impact plays. Maybe also because it waters down the sport -- that's why I oppose it.

Given only ~1/3 of all kickoffs returned, of which a large % could have been touchbacks anyway, I can't envision much impact.

Don't get me wrong - I'm with you. I wish they'd stop F'ing with the game.

RE: RE: If it's an overreaction  
HBart : 5/24/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16122346 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16122319 Eric from BBI said:


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then why did all of the special teams coaches in the NFL oppose it?



It's a piece of their pie being taken away. Rendering what they do a notch lower on the overall relevance scale in the game.

+1
RE: RE: RE: If it's an overreaction  
Big Blue '56 : 5/24/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16122407 HBart said:
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In comment 16122319 Eric from BBI said:


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then why did all of the special teams coaches in the NFL oppose it?



It's a piece of their pie being taken away. Rendering what they do a notch lower on the overall relevance scale in the game.


+1


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This is a putrid rule  
Matt M. : 5/24/2023 7:02 pm : link
It rewards a shitty return unit if they choose the fair catch and punishes a PK if he is skilled enough to put a kickoff high and inside the 10. I would hate this even more, but at this point just put the ball at the 25 and skip the kickoff.
RE: RE: Here's my question  
jomps : 5/24/2023 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16121967 Giantsfan79 said:
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If the returner signals fair catch and lets the ball hit the ground at the five yard line, is it a live ball? Does the return team need to field it to end the play? What if it rolls into the endzone?



Yes it's a live ball but as long as no return team member touches it, the only thing the kicking team can do is down it, they can't pick it up and try to score unless someone touches it.


Actually, what you described is the rule for punts.

On kickoffs it's always a live ball, it just needs to travel 10+ yards, and you don't need the returning team to touch it before you can recover it or score.
RE: This is a putrid rule  
Del Shofner : 5/24/2023 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16122709 Matt M. said:
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It rewards a shitty return unit if they choose the fair catch and punishes a PK if he is skilled enough to put a kickoff high and inside the 10. I would hate this even more, but at this point just put the ball at the 25 and skip the kickoff.


I agree. Who I think this rule change prejudices most is teams with good specials who go down in a game and could come back by good kickoffs and kickoff coverage - but this rule takes that opportunity away.
Rich  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/26/2023 8:11 am : link
Eisen and I are on the same wavelength here. His monologue on this subject is my POV.
Rich Eisen: NFL’s New Fair Catch Rule Has Essentially Destroyed the Kickoff | The Rich Eisen Show - ( New Window )
RE: Rich  
DefenseWins : 5/30/2023 7:49 pm : link
In comment 16123459 Eric from BBI said:
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Eisen and I are on the same wavelength here. His monologue on this subject is my POV. Rich Eisen: NFL’s New Fair Catch Rule Has Essentially Destroyed the Kickoff | The Rich Eisen Show - ( New Window )


I saw Rich Eisen's take on this. He is also correct.

Ruining the game slowly with all of the changes. Individually, not single change will push fans away. It is something that will happen over time.

At some point, fans will not want to go to games. The best parts of the game will be removed including hard hits. Yes, that is already happening. Roughness calls on extremely hard hits are already being called. Now, removing kickoffs and the excitement that comes with that play.
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