in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
...and Tyreek's top time from years past were both during kickoff returns for touchdowns. Clearly these so-called fastest times don't represent objective comparisons.
in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
RE: RE: tyreek once hit 23+ mph on gps in an nfl game
in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
He's fast but the added equipment definitely slows things down some.
RE: RE: tyreek once hit 23+ mph on gps in an nfl game
in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
thats without pads on. without pads on tyreek's pr in 100m relative to hyatts is about 3 tenths of a second faster (10.19 vs 10.46). he had a wind-aided time under 10 seconds.
i assure you im a huge fan of hyatt's and nobody agrees that he has elite speed more than me, but that doesn't mean its the same as a guy who is probably on track to get to the HOF because he's got the best speed of his generation. he was on pace to beat calvin johnson's yardage record and possibly get mvp votes until tua went out.
comparing any WR's speed to Hill is like comparing a running back's speed to CJ2k or any WR to randy moss. it's just rational until they show it in nfl games.
had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
Might have to copy/paste the above, not sure why it won't hyperlink, but the link is good.
I'd swear Barkley was faster his rookie year
I think his fastest ever was his 2nd season 2019 at 21.91 mph. Rookie year topped out at 21.89. Still, over 21 mph is plenty fast, still elite, upper-tier speed. Tony Pollard ran one in 2021 at 21.17, I think his fastest ever recorded time of his career, and topped at 21.11 also last year. And everyone lauds Pollard for his speed.
had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
I understand that, Eric. My question is, was his actual 3-cone time or 20 yard shuttle time due to the hamstring injury? If it is, then he could be quicker than we think. That’s a good thing. If not, it still doesn’t mean he is not going to be successful.
RE: RE: tyreek once hit 23+ mph on gps in an nfl game
in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
Have you ever run in pads? The extra weight plus bulk (creating additional resistance) is going to slow you down, and that's without factoring for cumulative fatigue from the game itself.
Combine top speed has none of those potentially unfavorable variables.
Beyond that, the acceleration is at least as important as top speed. DJ is a great example of a guy who can reach elite top speed but doesn't have the short area burst to match that top speed, so he needs a fair amount of runway to get up to that top gear. Hyatt appears to have both the top speed and the acceleration, but even then, Hill is on another level than everyone else in the league, IMO.
Heard a pretty good take on Hyatt from a pro scout
On the subject of why he slipped to the 3rd round. Great speed, but most teams saw him as a slot guy (TEN kept him off the LOS to get him free releases). The problem is, slot guys in the NFL have to be great going over the middle, tough as nails, and that is not Hyatt's game. He's a pure deep threat.
So you could be limited in how you can use him. His opinion, in Daboll's system, he has less distinction between slot and outside WR so he carried more value to the Giants.
I don't know who's the fastest of Hill, Hyatt and Waddle, but Hyatt is
I addressed this in your other thread. Jalin Hyatt isn't going to run the 3-cone like you want. That's not the type of receiver he is. He's not a quick waterbug.
RE: RE: RE: tyreek once hit 23+ mph on gps in an nfl game
in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
Have you ever run in pads? The extra weight plus bulk (creating additional resistance) is going to slow you down, and that's without factoring for cumulative fatigue from the game itself.
Combine top speed has none of those potentially unfavorable variables.
Beyond that, the acceleration is at least as important as top speed. DJ is a great example of a guy who can reach elite top speed but doesn't have the short area burst to match that top speed, so he needs a fair amount of runway to get up to that top gear. Hyatt appears to have both the top speed and the acceleration, but even then, Hill is on another level than everyone else in the league, IMO.
I’ve run in pads 😂.
Running over 24mph with or without pads puts him in the equation. I know pads add weight. That’s obvious.
I also know that many players run significantly faster in games then they due under combine circumstances. Eric is right, tho. We will not know until he’s on an NFL field.
had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
People have to remember it's football not a track meet
had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
People have to remember it's football not a track meet
But here we are talking about who maybe is the fastest.
Jones, Barkley, Campbell, Hyatt, Slayton, Waller and Wan’Dale (4.4 guy but more of a quick acceleration speed than it is long speed). And the fastest of them all might just be Breida.
I think 40 times are one half of the equation. The fastest player I ever saw play for the Giants was David Wilson. I don't care what his 40-yard dash time was, but in pads, I don't know if there were many faster than him.
Ron Dixon (and one end of the greatest incompletion in Giants history) was a track guy who the Giants hoped could learn to catch. I don't see that here.
Watching Hyatt what strikes he are his hands and fluidity. Were he 6 inches taller he'd remind me of Plaxico.
To my eyeballs he's a receiver who happens to be blazing fast rather than a blazing fast guy who might become a receiver.
and the interior room created are Hodgins, Robinson in the passing game and all the RBs. This is the indirect benefit of having outside speed which is only ignored at peril.
has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
What they are going to do is blitz up the middle and hope our OL still stinks. Its worked against us for years, don't give Jones the time to wait for Hyatt and Campbell to get into their routes
has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
What they are going to do is blitz up the middle and hope our OL still stinks. Its worked against us for years, don't give Jones the time to wait for Hyatt and Campbell to get into their routes
i was at the first game of the year last season in Nashville. In the first half Shep had won over the top about 3 times and DJ couldnt get him ball. They finally hit it in the second half and that changed the game.
and your game speed are two different things. I have seen guys with slower track times play faster on the field than guys who supposedly run a faster time.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Can probably hit the same or higher.
Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/amon-ra-st-brown-among-fastest-2022-nfl-players-using-next-gen-stats
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fastest-nfl-player-top-speeds-2022-jaylen-waddle-tyreek-hill-kenneth-walker/g1chziwdaopndmlb0ghxheqk#:~:text=1.,the%20Texans.[/url]
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Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/amon-ra-st-brown-among-fastest-2022-nfl-players-using-next-gen-stats
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fastest-nfl-player-top-speeds-2022-jaylen-waddle-tyreek-hill-kenneth-walker/g1chziwdaopndmlb0ghxheqk#:~:text=1.,the%20Texans.[/url]
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I think you need to lose the period at the end for it to link (as I did here) - ( New Window )
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
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in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
He's fast but the added equipment definitely slows things down some.
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in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
thats without pads on. without pads on tyreek's pr in 100m relative to hyatts is about 3 tenths of a second faster (10.19 vs 10.46). he had a wind-aided time under 10 seconds.
i assure you im a huge fan of hyatt's and nobody agrees that he has elite speed more than me, but that doesn't mean its the same as a guy who is probably on track to get to the HOF because he's got the best speed of his generation. he was on pace to beat calvin johnson's yardage record and possibly get mvp votes until tua went out.
comparing any WR's speed to Hill is like comparing a running back's speed to CJ2k or any WR to randy moss. it's just rational until they show it in nfl games.
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Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/amon-ra-st-brown-among-fastest-2022-nfl-players-using-next-gen-stats
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fastest-nfl-player-top-speeds-2022-jaylen-waddle-tyreek-hill-kenneth-walker/g1chziwdaopndmlb0ghxheqk#:~:text=1.,the%20Texans.[/url]
Might have to copy/paste the above, not sure why it won't hyperlink, but the link is good.
I'd swear Barkley was faster his rookie year
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Barkley did hit 21.11 mph this past season, it was the 5th fastest recorded time in the NFL of all players on the season as of October 7. Of course, there were faster times later in the season, but the narrative that Barkley has lost a step since the surgery is not rooted in reality.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/amon-ra-st-brown-among-fastest-2022-nfl-players-using-next-gen-stats
21 mph+ is elite NFL speed. Here's another link on the fastest top 10 times of the 2022 season, Barkley is not listed, but check out who is right at the top:
[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fastest-nfl-player-top-speeds-2022-jaylen-waddle-tyreek-hill-kenneth-walker/g1chziwdaopndmlb0ghxheqk#:~:text=1.,the%20Texans.[/url]
Might have to copy/paste the above, not sure why it won't hyperlink, but the link is good.
I'd swear Barkley was faster his rookie year
I think his fastest ever was his 2nd season 2019 at 21.91 mph. Rookie year topped out at 21.89. Still, over 21 mph is plenty fast, still elite, upper-tier speed. Tony Pollard ran one in 2021 at 21.17, I think his fastest ever recorded time of his career, and topped at 21.11 also last year. And everyone lauds Pollard for his speed.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
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had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
I understand that, Eric. My question is, was his actual 3-cone time or 20 yard shuttle time due to the hamstring injury? If it is, then he could be quicker than we think. That’s a good thing. If not, it still doesn’t mean he is not going to be successful.
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in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
Have you ever run in pads? The extra weight plus bulk (creating additional resistance) is going to slow you down, and that's without factoring for cumulative fatigue from the game itself.
Combine top speed has none of those potentially unfavorable variables.
Beyond that, the acceleration is at least as important as top speed. DJ is a great example of a guy who can reach elite top speed but doesn't have the short area burst to match that top speed, so he needs a fair amount of runway to get up to that top gear. Hyatt appears to have both the top speed and the acceleration, but even then, Hill is on another level than everyone else in the league, IMO.
So you could be limited in how you can use him. His opinion, in Daboll's system, he has less distinction between slot and outside WR so he carried more value to the Giants.
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in the last few years only a handful even even hit 22mph. tyreeks track times are faster than hyatt's too.
hyatt's track times are faster than waddle's so ill buy that but not tyreek. he's in a league of his own. he's probably in the conversation for 2nd fastest with a bunch of other guys behind tyreek.
Jalin Clocked in at 24.29 at the combine. hes right there in the discussion for fastest in the league.
Have you ever run in pads? The extra weight plus bulk (creating additional resistance) is going to slow you down, and that's without factoring for cumulative fatigue from the game itself.
Combine top speed has none of those potentially unfavorable variables.
Beyond that, the acceleration is at least as important as top speed. DJ is a great example of a guy who can reach elite top speed but doesn't have the short area burst to match that top speed, so he needs a fair amount of runway to get up to that top gear. Hyatt appears to have both the top speed and the acceleration, but even then, Hill is on another level than everyone else in the league, IMO.
I’ve run in pads 😂.
Running over 24mph with or without pads puts him in the equation. I know pads add weight. That’s obvious.
I also know that many players run significantly faster in games then they due under combine circumstances. Eric is right, tho. We will not know until he’s on an NFL field.
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had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
People have to remember it's football not a track meet
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had not demonstrated that he has the quicks of Tyreek Hill. I don’t think it’s fair to put him in the conversation. I posed this question in a post earlier trying to find out if Jalin’s 3-cone and 20 yard shuttle times were due to injury. Jalin did not participate in the three con drill and 20 yard shuttle at the combine, as he pulled out due to a hamstring injury. There is a posted 3-cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time I did find apparently after that was timed at 7.06 and 4.33 respectively. These numbers are underwhelming, but again, I don’t know if this was due to the previous hamstring injury or he never really trained for these specific drills. With that said, I still think he’s going to be an effective weapon.
Donnie, there is a difference between playing speed and timed speed.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6.
People have to remember it's football not a track meet
But here we are talking about who maybe is the fastest.
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
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has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
Don't forget that Darius Slayton can fly also....
Jones, Barkley, Campbell, Hyatt, Slayton, Waller and Wan’Dale (4.4 guy but more of a quick acceleration speed than it is long speed). And the fastest of them all might just be Breida.
Watching Hyatt what strikes he are his hands and fluidity. Were he 6 inches taller he'd remind me of Plaxico.
To my eyeballs he's a receiver who happens to be blazing fast rather than a blazing fast guy who might become a receiver.
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has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
And Waller going up the seam ...
This is an excellent point for all the elite athletes we've added this off-season.
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has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
What they are going to do is blitz up the middle and hope our OL still stinks. Its worked against us for years, don't give Jones the time to wait for Hyatt and Campbell to get into their routes
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has mentioned is Parris Campbell. Did he not clock faster than Jalin?
With Hyatt on one side and Campbell on the other, I'd like to see the other teams safeties try to play in the box.
What they are going to do is blitz up the middle and hope our OL still stinks. Its worked against us for years, don't give Jones the time to wait for Hyatt and Campbell to get into their routes
i was at the first game of the year last season in Nashville. In the first half Shep had won over the top about 3 times and DJ couldnt get him ball. They finally hit it in the second half and that changed the game.
Game speed