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NFT: Mets at Cubs. Game 1. Megill

ZGiants98 : 5/23/2023 6:48 pm
Mets Lineup

CF Brandon Nimmo
2B Eduardo Escobar
SS Francisco Lindor
1B Pete Alonso
DH Mark Vientos
RF Starling Marte
3B Brett Baty
LF Tommy Pham
C Gary Sanchez

RHP Tylor Megill

Cubs Lineup

Hoerner 2B
Swanson SS
Happ LF
Suzuki RF
Morel DH
Tauchman CF
Wisdom 3B
Gomes C
Mervis 1B

Smyly SP

Sucks Alvarez is out but I guess they are saving him for Senga tomorrow. Let's keep the streak going. LGM!
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Still can’t stand Vogelsucks  
CooperDash : 5/23/2023 9:28 pm : link
Being a fucking DH, fatty.
Good job Buck  
KevinBBWC : 5/23/2023 9:29 pm : link
taking out Vientos for a singles hitter when down 4 runs and have 2 runners on.
in a 4 run game why hit vogelbach there?  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2023 9:30 pm : link
vientos is probably one of the best chances on the team to make it a 1 run game on 1 swing.

of course xxxl guillorme without the defense (vogelbach) does his best small ball impression flying out semi-hard at 96mph.

if its a 1 run game and you are putting up mcneil because a base hit ties it i get it. in this situation there was no reason for that switch when vogelbach has been the opposite of a run producer.
RE: Good job Buck  
CooperDash : 5/23/2023 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16122245 KevinBBWC said:
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taking out Vientos for a singles hitter when down 4 runs and have 2 runners on.


Everyone knew it was going to happen. Why keep Vientos out there when you can have the 300 lb ZERO up at bat? I would love Buck if he wasn’t so ignorant and stubborn.
Pham and Sanchez are really boosting their trade value tonight 🙄  
CooperDash : 5/23/2023 9:45 pm : link
So glad we wasted two lineup spots on these guys. Are we really wasting games to market these guys for trades? One of which we just signed for no reason at all? Benny Hill is running this team.
another homer for conforto tonight (off jorge lopez sorry pj?)  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2023 9:46 pm : link
10th homer and 24th rbi in 43 games so he's roughly on a 35+ homer, 85+ rbi pace.
RE: another homer for conforto tonight (off jorge lopez sorry pj?)  
ZGiants98 : 5/23/2023 9:51 pm : link
In comment 16122252 Eric on Li said:
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10th homer and 24th rbi in 43 games so he's roughly on a 35+ homer, 85+ rbi pace.


Would have been nice to have had him here over Canha. Almost the whole lineup is homegrown. Would have been cool for him to be a part of it.
Wow did you hear that stat Cohen just read about Morel?  
Eric on Li : 5/23/2023 9:55 pm : link
he's played in 5 straight games. pretty amazing for a rookie.
Sanchez flashing the leather tonight  
Optimus-NY : 5/23/2023 9:59 pm : link
lol
Sanchez....OY VEY!  
Optimus-NY : 5/23/2023 10:00 pm : link
lol
CUT  
spike : 5/23/2023 10:00 pm : link
SANCHEZ
Sanchez putting on a defensive clinic tonight, lol not  
CooperDash : 5/23/2023 10:00 pm : link
Mets brain trust on full display.
We are trying to stay in the WC race  
spike : 5/23/2023 10:01 pm : link
no need to play Sanchez, when Perez, Narvaez and Alvarez are better.
RE: Sanchez putting on a defensive clinic tonight, lol not  
Optimus-NY : 5/23/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16122263 CooperDash said:
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Mets brain trust on full display.


Haha!
What's "best for the team"  
moespree : 5/23/2023 10:04 pm : link
Is usually what Buck and Eppler answer when asked about young players and decisions.

Well there's a number of decisions and events in this game tonight where I don't know how you can honestly say that. Pinch hitting for Vientos and sitting Alvarez have in fact proved not to be "best for the team".

So why is it happening?
Cut Sanchez and Pham  
spike : 5/23/2023 10:27 pm : link
Simple moves.
I am not for trading Mauricio at this point  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 8:55 am : link
unless you get a young, cost-controlled pitche. Besides Ohtani, next FA period has Flaherty, Giolito, Sonny Gray, Heaney (opt-out), Kershaw, Montgomery, Nola, Eduardo Rodriguez, Urias, Wood, etc.

Scherzer may not opt out.

Money off the books next year: Carrasco ($14 million; replace with Vasil), Canha ($10.5 million; replace with Mauricio); Escobar ($9.5 million; replace with Guillorme); Pham ($5 million; maybe replace with Rudick).

That right there is 4 players making a total of $39 million where you can get equal or better production from cost-controlled players.

That will almost pay for Ohtani. If Mets lose out on Ohtani, spend on FA pitching. Let's say Dodgers go for Ohtani. Spend on Urias. As Dan has mentioned a number of times, next year's FA is horrendous for hitters beyond Ohtani. Devers/Machado locked up. Pitching it's not bad.

Mets could still have Verlander, Scherzer, Senga, Urias, Quintana, Peterson, Megill, Vasil. If Scherzer opts out, replace him with a Nola or Giolito. Cheaper on a yearly basis and younger.

Bring in the homegrown hitters:

CF Nimmo
LF McNeil
SS Lindor
1B Alonso
3B Baty
C Alvarez
DH Vientos
2B Mauricio
RF Marte

bench: Narvaez, Guillorme, Rudick, Canha or Escobar on a cheaper re-sign

eventually you have Ramirez/Williams/Parada stepping in as McNeil and Marte age out.

RE: Still can’t stand Vogelsucks  
Dr. D : 5/24/2023 9:01 am : link
In comment 16122244 CooperDash said:
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Being a fucking DH, fatty.

He's such a tease. He looks like Babe Ruth, but he hits more like Buddy Harrelson.
RE: RE: Still can’t stand Vogelsucks  
Dr. D : 5/24/2023 9:13 am : link
In comment 16122358 Dr. D said:
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Being a fucking DH, fatty.


He's such a tease. He looks like Babe Ruth, but he hits more like Buddy Harrelson.

That's not a knock on Buddy, who was scrappy and at least a contributor with his glove at SS.


Mets  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 9:40 am : link
Top 37 prospects
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RE: Mets  
Named Later : 5/24/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16122377 DanMetroMan said:
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Top 37 prospects Link - ( New Window )


They're listing Jett Williams as a CF ? I thought he was playing a lot of SS in the minors.

Most of the Met Pitching prospects are 2 years away. They have to fill that gap, and I shudder to think of Eppier making any more deadline deals this summer.
Williams  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 9:52 am : link
Is playing mostly SS this year but the feeling has always been his future position is probably CF or 2B
RE: RE: Still can’t stand Vogelsucks  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 10:05 am : link
In comment 16122358 Dr. D said:
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In comment 16122244 CooperDash said:


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Being a fucking DH, fatty.


He's such a tease. He looks like Babe Ruth, but he hits more like Buddy Harrelson.


...Don't insult Buddy Harrelson!
RE: RE: Mets  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 10:09 am : link
In comment 16122383 Named Later said:
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In comment 16122377 DanMetroMan said:


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Top 37 prospects Link - ( New Window )



They're listing Jett Williams as a CF ? I thought he was playing a lot of SS in the minors.

Most of the Met Pitching prospects are 2 years away. They have to fill that gap, and I shudder to think of Eppier making any more deadline deals this summer.


Other GMs LOOOVE Eppler though! lol
RE: Mets  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 10:22 am : link
In comment 16122377 DanMetroMan said:
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Top 37 prospects Link - ( New Window )


that was a good list other than the rudick omission probably.

fangraphs has 118 prospects graded 50+ and the mets 7 are tied with Cincy for most in MLB. they also have mets farm 4th most valuable 1 spot ahead of tampa. graduations are going to pummel it over the next year but if they can transition these kids into a successful 1/3 of the lineup not much will matter.

Minors  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:29 am : link
Mendick 1-4, BB, K
Mauricio 2-5, 2b, error, CS
Guillorme 1-3, 2 BB
Cortes 3-5, HR
Butto 1.2 innings 6 hits 7 runs 2 walks 2 k's (yuck)
Walker .2 innings 2 hits 2 runs 2 walks 1 K

AA
Rudick 3-4, HR, 2B, SB, K (Has more homers over his first 35 games this season than he did over his entire college career 176 games (5)
Peroza 1-2, 2 BB
Santos 5.2 innings 8 hits 6 runs 6 walks 4 k's (Big kid, throws hard, not a SPer)

A+
Tidwell 5.0 innings 2 hits 2 runs 4 walks 7 k's (42 k's 22 walks over 28.1 innings)
Gervase 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's (Wild line... 17.1 innings 9 hits 16 walks 26 k's)
Ramirez 1-5, 2b, K
Lugo 2-5 (slow start)
Consuegra 0-3, BB, 2 k's (Huge April, struggling in May .617 OPS)
Palmer 2-4, HR, K

St. Lucie
Jett 1-4, K
Thomas 3-4
Reimer 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Tilien 0-4
Nido (rehab) 1-4 (2/2 throwing out runners)
De La Cruz 6 innings 7 hits 2 runs 1 walk 7 k's
Ankeney 1 perfect, 1 K (0 ER allowed over 8 innings, 14 k's, personal sleeper)
Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:30 am : link
seems to agree with whoever spoke to the writer who said the Mets are high on Rudick


Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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@teddstalks
Nifty skill set, dunno if he’ll do enough damage to be a long term regular
RE: Mets  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 10:32 am : link
In comment 16122377 DanMetroMan said:
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Top 37 prospects Link - ( New Window )


Some of these ETAs are a bit silly. Parada 2026? Jett 2028? Vasil 2025? Tidwell 2026?
RE: Seidler  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 10:34 am : link
In comment 16122408 DanMetroMan said:
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seems to agree with whoever spoke to the writer who said the Mets are high on Rudick


Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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14h
Replying to
@teddstalks
Nifty skill set, dunno if he’ll do enough damage to be a long term regular


Rudick is likely not to be a long term starter on a team like the Mets, I can agree. But he looks like he could possibly be quite a 4th OF, which is quite valuable.
To  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:38 am : link
clarify, Sielder's comment is about Rudick's profile as a big league regular, not specific to the Mets. It's still a positive blurb for a guy FG's oddly completely omitted. The Mets do not have 37 prospects better than Matt Rudick. Very rough list but I'd have him in the 15-20 range
RE: To  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16122418 DanMetroMan said:
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clarify, Sielder's comment is about Rudick's profile as a big league regular, not specific to the Mets. It's still a positive blurb for a guy FG's oddly completely omitted. The Mets do not have 37 prospects better than Matt Rudick. Very rough list but I'd have him in the 15-20 range


Seidler
if rudick is a good cheap 4th for a few years that's a massive win  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 10:46 am : link
they are basically paying 2 of them like 18m combined (plus a ton of tax) this year between canha/pham.
Rudick  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 10:51 am : link
and Lugo were the two clear omissions for me.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 11:17 am : link
An A-Bomb for A-Ram, Alex Ramirez with a solo shot. That's his 3rd HR on the year. Power hasn't been there so far in 2023, but that's his second homer since 5/16 #Mets
.,  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 11:19 am : link
Jett the Met (CF) with a 1st inning walk and steal (his 11th). Williams now has 26 walks over his first 96 ab's #Mets
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 11:58 am : link
4 scoreless for Cameron Foster. That's 15 scoreless innings over his last 3 starts #Mets
Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 4:16 pm : link
back in the lineup hitting 9th, Vientos back on the bench.
RE: Alvarez  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16122634 DanMetroMan said:
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back in the lineup hitting 9th, Vientos back on the bench.


buck seems intent on 2 of them playing together in a merry go round but rarely all 3 at once.
RE: RE: Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16122655 Eric on Li said:
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back in the lineup hitting 9th, Vientos back on the bench.



buck seems intent on 2 of them playing together in a merry go round but rarely all 3 at once.



Mike Kurland
@Mike_Kurland
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Not sure why the #Mets called up Mark Vientos to not prioritize playing him daily.

In minors this year
- 13 HR
- .333 BA
- 1.104 OPS

vs RHP in minors this year
- 11 HR
- .327 BA
- 1.105 OPS

Guess when you can get Vogelbach and his .721 OPS in there vs RHP you make it happen.
RE: RE: RE: Alvarez  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16122656 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16122634 DanMetroMan said:


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back in the lineup hitting 9th, Vientos back on the bench.



buck seems intent on 2 of them playing together in a merry go round but rarely all 3 at once.




Mike Kurland
@Mike_Kurland
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Not sure why the #Mets called up Mark Vientos to not prioritize playing him daily.

In minors this year
- 13 HR
- .333 BA
- 1.104 OPS

vs RHP in minors this year
- 11 HR
- .327 BA
- 1.105 OPS

Guess when you can get Vogelbach and his .721 OPS in there vs RHP you make it happen.


this has been my biggest gripe in terms of not calling up vientos earlier. vogelbach is on pace for like 6 homers now. he is a 300 pound version of guillorme, except he cant hit lefties at all and with no defense.

i respect his ability to get on base but if he isnt doing damage he is simply nowhere near an everyday player.
dmm what was it like 3 weeks ago when we were comparing what  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 5:17 pm : link
morel and vientos were doing in the minors?

1 easy way to break up morel's homer streak would have been to bench him the day after he hit his homers.
RE: dmm what was it like 3 weeks ago when we were comparing what  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 5:20 pm : link
In comment 16122659 Eric on Li said:
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morel and vientos were doing in the minors?

1 easy way to break up morel's homer streak would have been to bench him the day after he hit his homers.


it makes absolutely no sense. Vogelbach is slugging .377 vs. RHP this season. He's not some "proven" above average MLB masher, he's with his 7th organization for a reason. I've been mildly defensive of him (as a bench bat, quality AB late in a game ala Lenny Harris) but this is ridiculous. Morel was scorching hot, called up and is playing every day. We all remember what Mike Jacobs did, why not see what the kid can do? This isn't like suggesting benching a guy like Marte... it's Vogelbach!
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 5:23 pm : link
10 days ago there were 2 players ahead of Vientos in terms of wRC+ in the IL... Christopher Morel (who is now setting records with the Cubs) and Matt McLain (.857 OPS first 7 games)... both are playing every day... or close to it...#Mets
RE: RE: dmm what was it like 3 weeks ago when we were comparing what  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 5:30 pm : link
In comment 16122661 DanMetroMan said:
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morel and vientos were doing in the minors?

1 easy way to break up morel's homer streak would have been to bench him the day after he hit his homers.



it makes absolutely no sense. Vogelbach is slugging .377 vs. RHP this season. He's not some "proven" above average MLB masher, he's with his 7th organization for a reason. I've been mildly defensive of him (as a bench bat, quality AB late in a game ala Lenny Harris) but this is ridiculous. Morel was scorching hot, called up and is playing every day. We all remember what Mike Jacobs did, why not see what the kid can do? This isn't like suggesting benching a guy like Marte... it's Vogelbach!


his may numbers are even worse so the trend is going backwards.

in 18 games / 54 plate appearances in May:

.200 / .333 / .311
(644 ops / 87 rc)

he has 2 doubles, 1 homer, and 4 rbis.

his only positive number is 9 walks (to go along with 9 total hits). that's it.

vientos, escobar, baty, alvarez all deserve playing time more than vogelsnack. even canha has almost twice as many xbh in roughly the same playing time. pham has been better this month. all of them bring more versatility since they can play defense.

i get since his only value is the bat he cant rebuild any value without at bats, but he doesnt need starts and he certainly doesnt need to be subbed in for vientos right now.
To  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 5:32 pm : link
correct myself, 5th organization. Was going by memory and was obviously wrong. 5th.
RE: To  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16122671 DanMetroMan said:
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correct myself, 5th organization. Was going by memory and was obviously wrong. 5th.


doesnt really matter, he should have stayed at organization #4 and we'd still have holderman.

for all the issues with the lack of vientos at bats now he was over a 900 ops in AAA a year ago. think about how many at bats have been wasted between then and now on trash. and how many prospects were given up for ruf, vogey, naquin when they could have just kept jdd (who even had an option remaining i think).

even if all those prospects stink, they at least could have been traded for other things at the deadline.
RE: RE: RE: Alvarez  
Named Later : 5/24/2023 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16122656 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Kurland
@Mike_Kurland
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1h
Not sure why the #Mets called up Mark Vientos to not prioritize playing him daily.

In minors this year
- 13 HR
- .333 BA
- 1.104 OPS

vs RHP in minors this year
- 11 HR
- .327 BA
- 1.105 OPS

Guess when you can get Vogelbach and his .721 OPS in there vs RHP you make it happen.


Damn you Buck. You stubborn SOB. Are you trying to piss fans off ??
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 5:41 pm : link
know absolutely nothing about projecting swing mechanics but visually this is a beautiful swing, what a bomb. Projected early 2nd round pick (Chase Davis)
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Lineup matchups for both teams against today's starters:  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 6:49 pm : link
Click below...


MLb.com Lineup matchups against today's starting pitchers - ( New Window )
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 7:40 pm : link
Yikes. Just realized that
@mets
2nd rounder Nick Morabito did not crack
@mets
top *37* prospects for
@fangraphs
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