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NFT: Mets @ Cubs: Game 2 - Senga (R) vs Stroman (R) - 7:40 pm EDT

Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 6:38 pm

Starting Lineups - Mets at Cubs - May 24, 2023
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Mets Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups - May 24th and 25th, 2023



Notes:
-Only 2 of the 3 kids are in the lineup today.
-Vientos is sitting for Vogelwalker.
-Big mouth Stroman is on the mound.



#LFGM!
The Baby Mets imitating each other’s batting stances is everything  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 6:44 pm : link
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@WE_ARE_MET_FANS
The Baby Mets imitating each other’s batting stances is everything




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NL East standings + Lineup Matchups vs. today's starters  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 6:53 pm : link


NL East standings and other MLb standings as of today


Hitter matchups vs. today's starters (Cubs have never seen Senga):
Gameday Matchups - Lineups vs. today's starting pitchers

Really hope we get to Stroman tonight  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 7:03 pm : link
That's one player I have no love lost for.
RE: Really hope we get to Stroman tonight  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16122710 ZGiants98 said:
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That's one player I have no love lost for.


He's a full-on twat. I saw another tweet somewhere earlier in which he badmouthed the Mets again.
On a lighter note (pun intended, lol)!  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 7:12 pm : link



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Are we really running out Carrasco again tomorrow?  
CooperDash : 5/24/2023 7:28 pm : link
Ugh, just giving games away. I’d rather have a bullpen game.
Carlos Correa headed to IL?  
dannysection 313 : 5/24/2023 7:29 pm : link
MRI, foot sprain, plantar fasciitis, etc...

FWIW.

Just seems players are so brittle these days.

Who knows what the contract will look like when five years have come and gone, but early returns suggest Mets may have been better off without Correa.

Better get a win tonight with Carrasco on the bump tomorrow.
Here are links to the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 7:36 pm : link
Mets @ Cubs - 7:40 pm EST start - Mets' TV Broadcast w/Gary & Keith

Mets @ Cubs - 7:40 pm EST start - Cubs' TV Broadcast

MLB.com - Gameday - Live pitch by pitch - Mets at Cubs - 7:40 pm EST

RE: Are we really running out Carrasco again tomorrow?  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 7:38 pm : link
In comment 16122718 CooperDash said:
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Ugh, just giving games away. I’d rather have a bullpen game.


I'd rather Bartolo started....seriously
Pham,  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 7:53 pm : link
Escobar, Vogelbach, and Sanchez should be getting no more than one start a week. When Mauricio is up, Canha can join that group.
RE: Pham,  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16122733 ZGiants98 said:
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Escobar, Vogelbach, and Sanchez should be getting no more than one start a week. When Mauricio is up, Canha can join that group.


But what about their participation trophies? lol
Go cubbies.  
RicFlair : 5/24/2023 7:54 pm : link
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voeyeurbach watches strike 3 again  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 8:10 pm : link
he has to lead the league in k's looking.

Gare "does vogelbach look like he's limping?"

Keith "no that's just the way 300 pounders walk"
Alvarez  
GF1080 : 5/24/2023 8:11 pm : link
Through that wind! Super impressive!!!!
alvarez bomb into the power alley  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 8:12 pm : link
all the credit to the great veteran baserunning by canha on that homer.
Alvarez is the one  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 8:12 pm : link
No offense to Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio but there's a reason Alvarez was the #1 prospect in baseball.
103mph on that homer and looked like it was off the neck too  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 8:13 pm : link
not even the barrel.
RE: alvarez bomb into the power alley  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16122746 Eric on Li said:
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all the credit to the great veteran baserunning by canha on that homer.


RE: 103mph on that homer and looked like it was off the neck too  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16122748 Eric on Li said:
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not even the barrel.


Yeah, I noticed that too. VERY impressive by Alvy. Love the kid.
hm maybe give vientos + mauricio some PT to see what happens too?  
Eric on Li : 5/24/2023 8:19 pm : link
Joe Pantorno @JoePantorno
List of catchers in #MLB that have hit at least 6 homers in an age 21 season since 1978:

Joe Mauer, 2004: 6
Francisco Alvarez, 2023: 6 (it’s May 24)

That’s it. That’s the list.
Alvarez OPS is now 818  
Vanzetti : 5/24/2023 8:26 pm : link
Second to Alonso at 862

Alvarez is a special player  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 8:26 pm : link
he would be justified hitting in the middle of the order now
The HR was into the wind as well  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 8:28 pm : link
I keep reminding myself he is only 21. Can’t wait to see his prime
RE: hm maybe give vientos + mauricio some PT to see what happens too?  
Optimus-NY : 5/24/2023 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16122756 Eric on Li said:
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Joe Pantorno @JoePantorno
List of catchers in #MLB that have hit at least 6 homers in an age 21 season since 1978:

Joe Mauer, 2004: 6
Francisco Alvarez, 2023: 6 (it’s May 24)

That’s it. That’s the list.


Amazing stat!
Mauer hit 6 his age 21 year  
KDavies : 5/24/2023 8:36 pm : link
and 9 his age 22 year. Alvarez may have that many by the All-Star break
Not a good game for Senga  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 8:44 pm : link
ugh
Nice  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 8:48 pm : link
rebound!
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DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 8:51 pm : link
Vasil with a clunker tonight (6 ER over 4)... it happens. Rudick.....what if I told you he's been on base 3 more times and hit yet another HR and stole yet another base. Rudick..now hitting .331/1.058 OPS.. this reminds me of 2018 McNeil breakout
49 effing pitches for Stroman  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 8:53 pm : link
over 5. Way to battle. Ugh.
58 over six now  
ZGiants98 : 5/24/2023 9:09 pm : link
YEESH
Drew Smith loves giving up bombs  
CooperDash : 5/24/2023 9:15 pm : link
And the Mets letting the insufferable Stroman dominate them. Good times.
All star catcher  
spike : 5/24/2023 9:32 pm : link
Alvarez
Vasil  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2023 9:33 pm : link
Left with the trainer. Not good
Fuck a Buck  
allstarjim : 5/24/2023 10:08 pm : link
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Alvarez is a beast  
allstarjim : 5/24/2023 10:17 pm : link
But I think the Baty emergence is coming, as is Vientos, if Buck would only give him some extended run.
Keith made a funny last night about Voyeurmunchback  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 6:45 am : link
Was it intentional or unintentional? lol

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Gary: “Is Vogelbach limping?”
Keith: “No, that’s just the way he walks.”



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Cubs changed starters for today's game.  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 10:47 am : link
They're starting Kyle Hendricks instead of Jameson Taillon.
Teams  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 10:54 am : link
who have spoken to the White Sox get the impression they are more likely to add players to try and win then trade off. Only 5.5 out of 1st in a weak division.
RE: Vasil  
Metnut : 5/25/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16122794 DanMetroMan said:
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Left with the trainer. Not good


Sounds like he's ok. Day-to-day.
RE: Teams  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16122980 DanMetroMan said:
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who have spoken to the White Sox get the impression they are more likely to add players to try and win then trade off. Only 5.5 out of 1st in a weak division.


That sucks. Rooting for them to lose.
RE: RE: Vasil  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 11:07 am : link
In comment 16122992 Metnut said:
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In comment 16122794 DanMetroMan said:


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Left with the trainer. Not good



Sounds like he's ok. Day-to-day.


If you're citing Ernest Dove, I'd hold off. He's a great guy but he's had injury updates in the past that didn't end up being accurate. If somebody else is reporting this then I apologize.
RE: RE: Teams  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 11:09 am : link
In comment 16122994 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16122980 DanMetroMan said:


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who have spoken to the White Sox get the impression they are more likely to add players to try and win then trade off. Only 5.5 out of 1st in a weak division.



That sucks. Rooting for them to lose.


Can't fault the White Sox. 7-3 over their last 10 games. The Mets are 5.5 out in the NL East and I doubt any of us are throwing in the towel. Obviously, a lot of time before the deadline but it also wouldn't shock me to see them stick around. That division isn't good.
Matt  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 11:12 am : link
Rudick is now JUST behind Henry Davis (2021 1st overall pick) in both wOBA and wRC+
RE: RE: RE: Teams  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 11:13 am : link
In comment 16123004 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16122994 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 16122980 DanMetroMan said:


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who have spoken to the White Sox get the impression they are more likely to add players to try and win then trade off. Only 5.5 out of 1st in a weak division.



That sucks. Rooting for them to lose.



Can't fault the White Sox. 7-3 over their last 10 games. The Mets are 5.5 out in the NL East and I doubt any of us are throwing in the towel. Obviously, a lot of time before the deadline but it also wouldn't shock me to see them stick around. That division isn't good.


We need scrubby teams that we can take advantage of (sounds horrible to say, lol). Do any clubs with viable trade candidates come to mind?
A  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 11:18 am : link
guy like Freeland is probably obtainable but questionable how much better he even is than what they have (4.48 FIP) owed 47 million over the next 3 + a vested option. Patrick Corbin is sort of the same boat, pitching better recently owed *35* million next season. Yeah, Cohen is rich but hard to see the upside being worth taking him on even for "free" at that price point.
some good stats from an article that hits near/dear  
Eric on Li : 5/25/2023 2:17 pm : link
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The designated hitter spot remains an unmitigated disaster. A position mostly inhabited by Daniel Vogelbach (32 games) and Tommy Pham (14 games), Mets DHs have combined to sport Major League Baseball’s eighth-lowest batting average (.224), slugging percentage (.359), and home runs (six) to go with the ninth fewest RBI (25).

Vogelbach, who received a second chance at the DH role after his platoon with Darin Ruf failed spectacularly last season, has hit just two home runs in 96 at-bats this season despite 52% of those at-bats coming while batting fifth or sixth in the Mets order.

What continues to plague Vogelbach is an overwhelmingly passive philosophy at the plate.

According to Baseball Savant, the 30-year-old left-hander opts not to swing at 46% of pitches that cross over the heart of the plate, or down the very middle of it. The MLB average in that stat is just 28%.

On the shadow of the plate — or outer edges of the strike zone — Vogelbach’s take rate is 20% over the league average of 47%.

While his on-base percentage is at .368 this season thanks to 21 walks, his main objective isn’t free passes. It has to be power, and he hasn’t shown enough of it in his Mets career based on his eight home runs in 300 plate appearances. Over his last nine games alone prior to Thursday’s series finale against the Cubs, Vogelbach was 2-for-his-last-22 (.091) with eight strikeouts.

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Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 4:34 pm : link
in the lineup hitting 9th, Baty 3b hitting 5th and Vogelbach 7th...
Vientos benched again today for Vogelbach  
Metnut : 5/25/2023 4:34 pm : link
Brutal.
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DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 4:40 pm : link
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
Daniel Vogelbach is 2-for-his-last-22 (.091) with 0 XBHs and 8 strikeouts. #Mets
RE: .  
Mike in NY : 5/25/2023 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16123241 DanMetroMan said:
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Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
Daniel Vogelbach is 2-for-his-last-22 (.091) with 0 XBHs and 8 strikeouts. #Mets


Absolutely no reason he should be getting AB's over Vientos. Put Baty in LF or DH Alonso if you want to give Vientos reps in the field.
Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 5/25/2023 4:48 pm : link
remaining in the 9 hole after the Mets just got shut down by Stroman,,,
RE: Alvarez  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16123247 DanMetroMan said:
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remaining in the 9 hole after the Mets just got shut down by Stroman,,,


Utter stupidity
RE: RE: .  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16123242 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16123241 DanMetroMan said:


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Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
Daniel Vogelbach is 2-for-his-last-22 (.091) with 0 XBHs and 8 strikeouts. #Mets



Absolutely no reason he should be getting AB's over Vientos. Put Baty in LF or DH Alonso if you want to give Vientos reps in the field.


+1 Mind numbing, really.
Vientos should obviously be getting ABs  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2023 5:13 pm : link
But the real problem with the Mets offense is a complete lack of production from the corner OF spots.

Marte's OPS is .601 and Canha is .675. Pham is .656.

Along with 1B, corner OF spots are where most good teams have their big bats (Betts, Soto, Acuna, Arozarena, Y Alvarez etc ). And this is not just true now. It has always been true: Ruth, Bonds, Aaron etc.

So its really a structural problem. Mets spent tons of money but not on positions where you can get big bats. Too much focus on WAR and not enough on OPS.

They did sign Marte but that was a ticking time bomb. And I presume the plan is to get Ohtani. But if they continue to play this awful brand of baseball, will Ohtani be willing to leave the West Coast and come to Flushing?

Also, why is Mauricio not playing a corner OF spot at Syracus?. He could learn the position in a month or two with his athleticism. Instead, they are going round Robbins Barn and putting Mauricio at 2B and McNeil in the OF? That makes no sense. 2B is a much more important position defensively, and given Roonie's size, very unlikely he can play 2B.

This organization is just a clusterfuck. Even look at the Correa mess.
another interesting factor  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2023 5:28 pm : link
Only 1 DH among the top 25 in OPS in MLB.

That's why Vogey's OPS+ is actually higher than Lindor's. Though both are below ML average (98 and 97).
News about Nido and Sanchez hot off the presses:  
Optimus-NY : 5/25/2023 6:02 pm : link
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Metsmerized Online
@Metsmerized
Mets roster moves:

• C Tomás Nido has been activated from the IL
• C Gary Sánchez has been designated for assignment

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This team  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/25/2023 6:44 pm : link
Is just run horribly. They aren’t winning anything with this cast leading us
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