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Waller for Toney? Thank you.

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/25/2023 12:06 pm
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Based off this early observation in May… Darren Waller is going to be the #Giants #1 receiver.

You can get a feel for their vision
Kelce #1 Receiver  
blueblood : 5/25/2023 12:15 pm : link
Gronk #1 Receiver...

Kafka-Kelce
Daboll-Gronk

not sure why this is hard to figure out for some people.
RE: Kelce #1 Receiver  
BLUATHRT : 5/25/2023 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16123093 blueblood said:
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Gronk #1 Receiver...

Kafka-Kelce
Daboll-Gronk

not sure why this is hard to figure out for some people.


Not to mention what a prominent role Knox played in the Bills offense.
just hope he can stay healthy  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2023 12:19 pm : link
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RE: just hope he can stay healthy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/25/2023 12:24 pm : link
In comment 16123096 Greg from LI said:
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Toney can't.

(Oh burn...)
And...  
Wildcardgiants : 5/25/2023 12:26 pm : link
We lose a malcontent and gain a player grateful to be here.
And It Appears Waller Enjoys Being On The Giants  
Trainmaster : 5/25/2023 12:27 pm : link
and is motivated to learn and improve (couldn’t say either about Toney)

Good riddance.

Actually  
mavric : 5/25/2023 12:28 pm : link
The Giants got Darren Waller and Tre Hawkins III for Toney as Schoen was able to scarf a rd 3 and rd 6 for Toney.

Damn good trade. For us!
RE: RE: just hope he can stay healthy  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/25/2023 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16123103 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16123096 Greg from LI said:


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Toney can't.

(Oh burn...)


I'm pretty sure Waller already has more preseason practice with the Giants already.
RE: RE: RE: just hope he can stay healthy  
Bill in UT : 5/25/2023 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16123109 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 16123103 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 16123096 Greg from LI said:


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Toney can't.

(Oh burn...)



I'm pretty sure Waller already has more preseason practice with the Giants already.


yeah, but Waller is a veteran and was able to come to camp already knowing his shoe size
So...size does matter after all.  
Klaatu : 5/25/2023 12:42 pm : link
I knew it.
Love the player  
JonC : 5/25/2023 12:42 pm : link
#stayhealthy
I love offenses with good tight ends  
djm : 5/25/2023 12:44 pm : link
to me it's an absolute necessity as good ones just add so much toughness and versatility. If I had my way we'd always run a two TE offense. But you need the players. Looks like we finally have them.
Yup  
HBart : 5/25/2023 12:45 pm : link
The pervasive meme is the Giants don't have a #1 WR because nobody is drooling to fantasy draft any Giants WRs.

I'd much prefer lots of weapons and speed than one guy everyone knows to key on -- unless that guy is the TE.

The Giants have guys who can beat press (Hodgins and Slayton), plus Campbell, plus the cornucopia of other intriguing yet unproven guys.

Campbell played 2/3s slot but the Colts have 2 big WRs who are prototype outside guys.

Health, always an issue, becomes more critical when that alpha guy does down.

With decent health we're going to be in great shape (even if/when Waller misses a few games).
RE: I love offenses with good tight ends  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/25/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16123121 djm said:
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to me it's an absolute necessity as good ones just add so much toughness and versatility. If I had my way we'd always run a two TE offense. But you need the players. Looks like we finally have them.



I prefer 11 personnel over 10 in almost any situation. A TE is a versatile mis-matchy piece lined up in the middle of the field (usually) in the QBs immediate line of sight.

Didn' seem to be important to the giants for a while.
Warning  
mittenedman : 5/25/2023 12:59 pm : link
While we may like what he's saying, this is the same guy who was making stuff up about DJ throwing INTs in practice last year.

At least Waller will remember  
Section331 : 5/25/2023 1:01 pm : link
his shoes.
If Waller can  
cjac : 5/25/2023 1:01 pm : link
find shoes that fit we're already ahead of the game
BTW  
mittenedman : 5/25/2023 1:06 pm : link
This is why you love the Schoen / Daboll connection. No way in hell Schoen's gonna bring a major piece in, only for Dabs not to use him. Happens all the time in the NFL. See the terrible synergy between Judge & Gettleman.

The Giants will have a plan with their player acquisitions.

If they can build the offense around DJ/Barkley/Waller going in different directions, that's tough to defend.
Think we will see a lot of two TE  
Payasdaddy : 5/25/2023 1:13 pm : link
With Waller split out a chunk of the time
Bellinger a nice safety valve, move the chains guy with some upside
I think Bellinger  
ElitoCanton : 5/25/2023 1:15 pm : link
has a lot more upside than just a check down guy. I think our 2 TE sets can be really deadly.
RE: I think Bellinger  
KDavies : 5/25/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16123147 ElitoCanton said:
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has a lot more upside than just a check down guy. I think our 2 TE sets can be really deadly.


Not to mention it can't hurt Bellinger learning from Waller and seeing him every day in practice. I think it will be huge for his development
I have always  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/25/2023 1:30 pm : link
liked the two TE offense and expect the Giants to use two TE's with Waller at one of the WR spots at times.

What really makes that offense go is a good OL and running game.

Once you are able to consistently be ahead of the chains it is a tough offense to deal with imv when D's have to defend both the run/pass.

With all the Jones / Barkley contract talk I keep forgetting about our  
mikeinbloomfield : 5/25/2023 1:39 pm : link
biggest FA signing on offense. Just based on Kafka being in KC, they are going to have some schemes for him. He is going to make a huge impact, even if its just freeing up the outside for Hyatt to run down the field.

Might be talking myself into getting his jersey.
If the shoe fits...  
Biteymax22 : 5/25/2023 1:53 pm : link
You're already doing better than Toney
Let’s hope for health  
RicFlair : 5/25/2023 1:55 pm : link
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also, the sometimes forgotten cherry on top  
Ron Johnson : 5/25/2023 2:02 pm : link
Toney helps beat the Eagles with the td and the punt return.

Win win
RE: Warning  
Stu11 : 5/25/2023 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16123136 mittenedman said:
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While we may like what he's saying, this is the same guy who was making stuff up about DJ throwing INTs in practice last year.

Well as we later found out that was legit happening, and Daboll planned it out like that to test his toughness. So the writers were in fact not lying. They were accurately reporting what was going on.
Defenses must account for Waller. That’s big compared to your average  
Ivan15 : 5/25/2023 3:50 pm : link
TE. I don’t think this will hurt Bellinger either, although I don’t think Waller setting an example for Bellinger is particularly important. I think Bellinger will get as many passes thrown his way as last year. Maybe more. And if you are worried about Waller’s injury history, Cager may be a suitable backup if Waller misses some plays or games.

Waller may take passes away from the WR group. Not from TEs.
I never quite understood drafting Toney  
Angel Eyes : 5/25/2023 3:56 pm : link
considering what we had then at wide receiver and what we didn't have.
RE: I never quite understood drafting Toney  
Blue21 : 5/25/2023 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16123222 Angel Eyes said:
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considering what we had then at wide receiver and what we didn't have.
Forced pick IMO because they list out on Smith to the Eagles. Gambled foolishly and lost. I never liked the pick. Off field issues were enough for me especially hearing it from Sy.
RE: also, the sometimes forgotten cherry on top  
JoeSchoens11 : 5/25/2023 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16123171 Ron Johnson said:
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Toney helps beat the Eagles with the td and the punt return.

Win win
I was just about to post the same. KC will take the KT trade every day of the week and twice on (SB) Sunday.

If Waller fights the good fight against Father Time then that draft pick will put us in good shape for a few years.

Everyone’s happy.
Waller is going to be the  
Dave on the UWS : 5/25/2023 4:13 pm : link
focal point of the passing offense. That's been obvious for awhile. ALL the other pieces that have been acquired will work off that. No reason Jones shouldn't progress in this offense, second year. If the OL can step up, and Barkley gets his head together, than this offense can be a REALLY potent one.
Its pretty easy to see just HOW good this team can be.
RE: also, the sometimes forgotten cherry on top  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/25/2023 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16123171 Ron Johnson said:
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Toney helps beat the Eagles with the td and the punt return.

Win win



Mara should place a Toney statue at the entrance of Metlife.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/25/2023 6:50 pm : link
Like a moron, Gettleman & the FO couldn't hide their love for Smith. I think my daughter's best friend even knew we were enamored with Smith, thus forcing the Eagles to move up & take him & us standing their with our dicks in our hands.
I couldn't stand Toney!  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/25/2023 8:27 pm : link
When he was traded I said "thank God he's gone", but to use the picks attained in that trade to acquire Waller is pure genius by Joe Schoen and Brandon Brown!
Reid had gigantic  
OBJ_AllDay : 5/26/2023 10:40 am : link
nuts to let Toney return punts in the superbowl. Even though he made a huge return which contributed to the win - if you go back and look at that play again you will see a very awkward fielding of that punt. Could have been a disaster
No doubt. A good TE is a QB's best friend.  
Kmed6000 : 5/26/2023 11:01 am : link
Brady was always at his best with Gronk. Much safer to throw inside to a guy like that too. Waller could be a huge pickup for the gmen.
Excited to watch him play  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/26/2023 11:12 am : link
Hoping for an AJ Brown type impact for the Giants.
RE: No doubt. A good TE is a QB's best friend.  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/26/2023 11:46 am : link
In comment 16123564 Kmed6000 said:
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Brady was always at his best with Gronk. Much safer to throw inside to a guy like that too. Waller could be a huge pickup for the gmen.


Just with Gronk and Kelce alone, I think you can make a case that there is a very strong correlation between having a good TE and winning a SB.

Seems to have been lost on the Giants for years.
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